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Does BGO in your username stand for boardgamesonline thus making you the boardgamesonlinebandit

or...

yeah deathsquad was a dumb move

I managed to get a pulse rifle, get the implant required to shoot it, kill a second trooper with the help of an assistant.

I died to fire from offscreen from another trooper while trying to heal.

Widescreen is a hell of a power up.

Death squad was pretty dumb, but at the same time I give him props for apologising and offering antag tokens to all the lings to try make it right - guy is a good admin.

NecromancerAnne wrote:Widescreen is a hell of a power up.

I had widescreen too, it was literally just missed shots from another fight.

Bridge was made into a party room sure but I didn't see the brig/armory and I didn't think it was too crazy of a round, either way it was a shock to see Deathsquad roll up. I thought it was extended until I saw dchat. It was funny though.

Losing is part of the game.
Your character will frequently die, sometimes without even a possibility of avoiding it. Events will often be out of your control. No matter how good or prepared you are, sometimes you just lose.

Domitius wrote:Losing is part of the game.
Your character will frequently die, sometimes without even a possibility of avoiding it. Events will often be out of your control. No matter how good or prepared you are, sometimes you just lose.

gonna cite that next time i kill someone for no reason and i get bwoinked

yeah no one was prepared for admin pulling a gene ball and not being deadmined on the spot

Assistants deconstructed entire bridge, hehehe. If I was captain, I would have turned security into a deathsquad myself. BGO did nothing wrong, should have handed every bitch complaining a 1 week ban on top.

i mildly dislike bgobandit as his conduct as an admin has time and time again proven he likes adminbus more than actual administration

Tlaltecuhtli wrote:yeah no one was prepared for admin pulling a gene ball and not being deadmined on the spot

Yeah look making a bad call that ruins one round isn't deadminworthy. Guy even acknowledges he make an error and will probably be more cautious in the future.

Heads will probably accept the complaint but do nothing about it since the guy has pretty much sorted it out for them.

The only way you're getting deadmin'd is a severe breach of security, some common sense shit like putting someone's well being at active risk in some way, and consistently being really bad and abusive of your position with no obvious sign of improvement. This last bit is what killed Dinkle. We afford some measure of good faith when it might be something someone could improve upon and maybe they just weren't aware.

I've been repeatedly told that it isn't being an arsehole that will get you deadmin'd, because if so we'd have deadmin'd many members of the team a long time ago.

(Not that the team is full of arseholes. I'm maybe a bit abrasive at my worst haha)

NecromancerAnne wrote:The only way you're getting deadmin'd is a severe breach of security, some common sense shit like putting someone's well being at active risk in some way, and consistently being really bad and abusive of your position with no obvious sign of improvement. This last bit is what killed Dinkle. We afford some measure of good faith when it might be something someone could improve upon and maybe they just weren't aware.

I've been repeatedly told that it isn't being an arsehole that will get you deadmin'd, because if so we'd have deadmin'd many members of the team a long time ago.

(Not that the team is full of arseholes. I'm maybe a bit abrasive at my worst haha)

Then any admin can pull his trap card
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NecromancerAnne wrote:The only way you're getting deadmin'd is a severe breach of security, some common sense shit like putting someone's well being at active risk in some way, and consistently being really bad and abusive of your position with no obvious sign of improvement. This last bit is what killed Dinkle. We afford some measure of good faith when it might be something someone could improve upon and maybe they just weren't aware.

I've been repeatedly told that it isn't being an arsehole that will get you deadmin'd, because if so we'd have deadmin'd many members of the team a long time ago.

(Not that the team is full of arseholes. I'm maybe a bit abrasive at my worst haha)

depends who's headmin

Wtf I was a ling but I survived do I still get the token since I redtexted?!!!

yes

trying to deescalate dumb captain from killing entire assistant pop on 70ish players even if they did decon entire bridge and broke upload

Why? Why would you try to deescalate "the level of griff and tide taking place in the round was some of the worst I have seen in the roughly 7 years" in the first place?

This is a prime example of why you dont give an IC response to people shitting about and screaming in OOC/Deadchat. The greytiders get rewarded by getting to be the deathsquad/fight a deathsquad, while the round antags / crew who did nothing wrong whatsoever get shat on by the most powerful force an admin can create.


If People are IC in OOCing / shitting up OOC faster than you can slap them, you turn off OOC.

Theres even a button that turns off OOC *just* for deadchat shitters.

If the grey tide is breaking the rules in a more serious way than Occupy Bridge Party Time Lmao, they get banned.

trollbreeder wrote:i mildly dislike bgobandit as his conduct as an admin has time and time again proven he likes adminbus more than actual administration

What does this even MEAN

Anuv wrote:Bridge was made into a party room sure but I didn't see the brig/armory and I didn't think it was too crazy of a round, either way it was a shock to see Deathsquad roll up. I thought it was extended until I saw dchat. It was funny though.

armory was fine and nobody bothered sec. Cap stood there and argued lethals over one Curator trying to kill me specifically cus he was metagrudging and breaking da rools.
Rest of the antags weren't even playing as far as i can tell.

Lumbermancer wrote:

trying to deescalate dumb captain from killing entire assistant pop on 70ish players even if they did decon entire bridge and broke upload

Why? Why would you try to deescalate "the level of griff and tide taking place in the round was some of the worst I have seen in the roughly 7 years" in the first place?

cus it wasn't that. bridge and upload got deconned, rest of the station was all "werk werk" and being polite n shiet. it was teh 20+ assistant pop who had nothing to do that self-incited on deconning adventure for giggles.
That's not shit you pull lethals out for. Riotguns and flashbangs, sure, but sec just stood around and told each other "we need lethals we need lethals". They were escalating it themselves. I saw exactly ONE incident of causing bodily harm and that was the aforementioned curator.
Sure, ICly it's caps right to pull lethals when revolution is taking place but he stood in brig being scared and i was out on patrol in the middle of it and got a hug from "revolution" multiple times.

It should be noted here that i have zero fuse on lethals as sec.
Harm and get hardcritted.

But assistant exists only to fuck shit up, or to be more precise, an assistant main does. Unless something drastically changed when I was out, assistant does not assist, assistant doesn't get hired by other departments, assistant doesn't help. Assistant does what they please.
And how do you imagine using non-lethals on 20+ assistant pop would work? From my experience it would only escalate into more violence inevitably consuming the round.
And how do you imagine arresting 20+ assistants would work? Or better yet, how do you imagine arresting THREE assistants would pan out for you? Because I imagine them screaming over radio, calling their 20+ buddies and inciting riots, see above.
But I may be totally wrong, I'm just saying it not believing an admin would call for death squad for funsies.

Lumbermancer wrote:But assistant exists only to fuck shit up, or to be more precise, an assistant main does.
...
But I may be totally wrong, I'm just saying it not believing an admin would call for death squad for funsies.

Precisely.
It was called because assistants turned assailants because there is only 50 "job" slots.

They don't give us normie sec teargas nades for some reason cus that's "riot gear" and higher ups were too busy going "lethals lethals" to consider non-lethal options. One teargas would have cleared it our real quick. Multiple to keep it cleared. but since there was no windows it was already a lost cause to keep secured, arguing death for it is silly. You try to arrest a assistant, you get shoved to stam crit, you try to lethal em, sec is now valid in it's entirety.
I was preventing mass decon party from turning into a murderparty aimed at my department and captain while in crit thanks to a curator murdering me. Even tho the fucks surely deserved to be shoved and tabled twice over for suggesting lethals over deconning area that's marked "high security" for roleplay reasons. there's actually nothing inside the bridge that's really that high risk. (well, fireaxe) Especially as it got kinda turned into ad-hoc research recently, i have been ignoring people inside since they seem to be using the computers to do their job.
Regardless, how do you arrest 20 assistants? You talk to em one-by-one.
Even the worst of the worst and absolute trash assistant mains all secs hate are actually rational people who really do talk to you if you give em a chance to do that. Unless, of course, if they got antag status, then you are fucked ten ways to heaven.

Of course, none of my work and effort mattered, because admin got fucking salty and decided to press the retard button and turn bit of decon into dsquad and punish all 70ish players and reward the antag rollers.
He COULD have given them shit do do like enabling gateway or etc. Loot hunt in maint with admin items... There was no consideration to prevent and defuse, only thing he went for was immediate dsquad because he hated current population of players so fucking much at the time.
Sec and admin both did dumdumb. Other i was solving ICly, second i can't do but admin complaint.

Funsies, no, bad judgement, yes.

I have a hard time believing people greytide because there's no slots.

Your options, if this was true, would be:

1) Ask for an increase in slots
2) Create unique jobs that you yourself would be interested in if you are unwilling to branch out to play other jobs than the ones you keep failing to roll
3) (not manuel) play another server that has slots open

If you think

4) Go assistant and grief until someone (antag or otherwise) forces the shuttle to be called so you can roll again

is an acceptable option you should not be surprised when you get trashed/banned/etc.

Cobby wrote:I have a hard time believing people greytide because there's no slots.

Just being facetitious about it.
It was ultra-high pop imo and bagle was back so people were happy it was back and all their buddies were back together so they ree'd over bridge.
That's about the reasoning for it i imagine.
Some guy going "let's meme the bridge frens" and then it was that since hivemindery.
It surely didn't help there was 20ish pop of no jobs tho.
Speaking of, ""Create unique jobs that you yourself would be interested in ""
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23891

It's just a slow process, apparently.

garbage complaint made by a garbage player

>bagil

actioninja wrote:garbage complaint made by a garbage player

Did they seriously server ban the guy for making a dumb call?

B r u h

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Did they seriously server ban the guy for making a dumb call?

B r u h

i mean players get banned for making dumb calls too. what's the issue?

Armhulen wrote:

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Did they seriously server ban the guy for making a dumb call?

B r u h

i mean players get banned for making dumb calls too. what's the issue?

It's just bizarre - what was the point of it?

Guy plainly admits he's in the wrong offers antag tokens to make it right. You ban players to say "yo this isn't what you should be doing please understand this" not because "well you did something wrong so you just have to get banned sorry". Who benefits from it in this case?

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:

Armhulen wrote:

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Did they seriously server ban the guy for making a dumb call?

B r u h

i mean players get banned for making dumb calls too. what's the issue?

It's just bizarre - what was the point of it?

Guy plainly admits he's in the wrong offers antag tokens to make it right. You ban players to say "yo this isn't what you should be doing please understand this" not because "well you did something wrong so you just have to get banned sorry". Who benefits from it in this case?

It's way less than one day per person killed as a result of his actions.

Nabski wrote:

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:

Armhulen wrote:

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Did they seriously server ban the guy for making a dumb call?

B r u h

i mean players get banned for making dumb calls too. what's the issue?

It's just bizarre - what was the point of it?

Guy plainly admits he's in the wrong offers antag tokens to make it right. You ban players to say "yo this isn't what you should be doing please understand this" not because "well you did something wrong so you just have to get banned sorry". Who benefits from it in this case?

It's way less than one day per person killed as a result of his actions.

That doesn't really address my point at all.

Maybe I just don't like punitive action with no real purpose idk.

They say since the beginning of time people like lumbermancer have been trying to generalize assistants as all shitters due to their own personal dislike for some

It wasn't even tiding, it was a giant party

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:

Nabski wrote:

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:

Armhulen wrote:

XivilaiAnaxes wrote:Did they seriously server ban the guy for making a dumb call?

B r u h

i mean players get banned for making dumb calls too. what's the issue?

It's just bizarre - what was the point of it?

Guy plainly admits he's in the wrong offers antag tokens to make it right. You ban players to say "yo this isn't what you should be doing please understand this" not because "well you did something wrong so you just have to get banned sorry". Who benefits from it in this case?

It's way less than one day per person killed as a result of his actions.

That doesn't really address my point at all.

Maybe I just don't like punitive action with no real purpose idk.

i dunno, it's a lot more incentive to not do something again when you can't play for a week because of it, and most admin complaints end exactly as you say- with a warning and apology.

(and that's funny because all of this is exactly how players are treated. it feels good to know nobody is above the process)

the worst part of this ban is the headmin team taking the bait from someone who's been known by the community to be perhaps the largest denthead in the server

you didnt make the complaint though

everytime I think I’ve seen the worse avatar someone like pas or libbysnow proves me wrong

wesoda25 wrote:everytime I think I’ve seen the worse avatar someone like pas or libbysnow proves me wrong

Roma Invicta, friend :^)

Cum

lame af outcome

angelstarri wrote:the worst part of this ban is the headmin team taking the bait from someone who's been known by the community to be perhaps the largest denthead in the server

4/5 local dentheads agree that this is lame

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:The greytiders get rewarded by getting to be the deathsquad/fight a deathsquad, while the round antags / crew who did nothing wrong whatsoever get shat on by the most powerful force an admin can create.

This is entirely the problem with using ghosts to spawn death-squads and why I detest buttons. The only purpose they have is to generally end the round arbitrarily. People act like shit and then get that as a reward while being dead.

Cobby wrote:you didnt make the complaint though

yes im a denthead but i can deal with consequences, don't hold grudges and i have at least 1 working braincell in comparison to libby snow who cannot comply with any of the previous statements

actioninja wrote:lame af outcome

angelstarri wrote:the worst part of this ban is the headmin team taking the bait from someone who's been known by the community to be perhaps the largest denthead in the server

4/5 local dentheads agree that this is lame

You have nothing to fear as a maintainer jannie

But once you step into the turd wrangling babysitting ring

There are actual consequences for your dissatisfying actions -ninja.

oof ow, am so hurt.
What's the metagrudge gang after my ass that never plays with me doe? Where did i touch you angelstarri? Kindly never stop being 12 i guess.
Having fun is so much easier when you act dumb like that.

Goddamn, to be able to bait headmins like that i must be really oranges alt-account so better watch out i'll remove your department next.
I am also the greatest idiot to ever live at the same time with no redeeming qualities.
Or is this a touchy subject for you.

Reeeee wrote:oof ow, am so hurt.
What's the metagrudge gang after my ass that never plays with me doe? Where did i touch you angelstarri? Kindly never stop being 12 i guess.
Having fun is so much easier when you act dumb like that.

Goddamn, to be able to bait headmins like that i must be really oranges alt-account so better watch out i'll remove your department next.
I am also the greatest idiot to ever live at the same time with no redeeming qualities.
Or is this a touchy subject for you.

you're not an oranges alt, you can't code

trollbreeder wrote: you're not an oranges alt, you can't code

No, i do that on my alt account of course stupid ???????

I dont really see why people think the ban to the admin is too far? we ban players all the time for murders they cause. bandit caused abunch of innocent people to die because they wanted rid of abunch of tiders.. if they had done something different and maybe sent someone to deal with just tiders this wouldnt have been an issue.