Edit: I did find one situation in which I divulged information to a sitting headmin in August of 2019, see this post for details. I apologize to anyone who felt betrayed by that action, and hope that they don't feel that I would do this in spite of them.
Edit2: I added a data security policy as recommended by Sticky to be much more transparent about what information is collected about users, and how it is used, including reporting of misuses of that data. I hope this helps to clarify any future situation or concern. You can see this post for more details
Edit 3: I've put a summary of the actions I've taken as a result of this thread below.
Spoiler:
- I've added a disclaimer to the footer of every page on Scrubby which explains what data is stored about a user, and how they can find out more, as suggested by Sticky.
- I've implemented a new data security policy page, as recommended by Sticky, which outlines what data is stored, how it is stored, for how long, and why. It also displays any intentional or unintentional breaches of end-user privacy.
- I've implemented a cap on the log collection, as recommended by Kat Green, which prevents Scrubby from storing more than around 4-5 days of data
- I've stopped using Raygun, a website performance tool, as it collects too much user data that I would prefer not to moving forward, and I have deleted all data that it stored.
I noticed that you claim that I provide confidential logging material, used to prevent abuse of my software, to third parties such as headmins and 'other harmful people'. I would request that you provide any evidence of this, because this claim is untrue.
You might recall I mentioned to you in 2019 this very thing when I gave you privileged access to my database. You are, as far as I'm aware, the only person who has ever had access to this information.
I take the protection of end-user data seriously, and admittedly made a mistake in providing you access to this data temporarily as included in the broad privileges you had at the time. I would apologize to anyone who feels uncomfortable to the fact that their actions may have been exposed to AtlantaNed, but I sincerely hope that nobody feels that way.
I'm not sure why you're electing to target me, but I hope you find peace with whatever is going on.
All the best,
bobbahbrown
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I heard a while ago that you were logging and monitoring who searched for what on scrubby, and at least once you messaged admins to ask about/comment on their scrubby search history, when they didn't even know that was being tracked to begin with. Is there any truth to that?
P.S. Shoot Dr. Allen on sight and dissolve his body in acid. Don't burn it.
Shaps-cloud wrote:I heard a while ago that you were logging and monitoring who searched for what on scrubby, and at least once you messaged admins to ask about/comment on their scrubby search history, when they didn't even know that was being tracked to begin with. Is there any truth to that?
As alluded to in the above post, the search actions are logged on Scrubby's database as they include regular expressions which can potentially be abused to attack my web server with very expensive queries. They also allow me to see and IP ban web spiders which are crawling the website despite my explicit inclusion of robots.txt with a clause to disallow web scraping.
I can provide you a sample below of what that looks like:
I don't remember contacting an administrator about a search they were performing, or something regarding it, but it's not entirely impossible. If the aforementioned individual wouldn't mind speaking up, I don't mind talking about it. I have contacted users in the past if they were running a suspicious query, suspicious in the context of "this looks like they were trying to do something that would impact my servers performance".
Best,
bobbah
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This whole dootdoom thing really created a domino effect, ey?
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ThanatosRa wrote:My biggest problem is that I can't fix any of this.
Boris wrote:shadowflame either has a brain the size of a pea or one the size of the moon and he's playing 58D chess.
BeeSting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.
BebeYoshi wrote:Saltyflame909
Cobby wrote:The trash bin... have you lost your way home anon?
Stickymayhem wrote:Have you ever passed on information about searches conducted on scrubby to other parties?
If so, why?
Is this ever done casually without consideration? e.g. "lol guys check this out sticky has been searching for old erp logs for 4 hours straight"
Again, as far as I am aware I don't believe I have. You can see that information in my original post.
I should clarify that in the case that I'm forgetting something then I most certainly apologize, but I don't believe I've done this.
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Admins I hope survive this fallout and stay as /tg/ admins: Arm, Coconut Warrior, TheMidnightRose, Virtual John (I just really like their events)
Everyone else: I'm honestly pretty apathetic because maybe our interactions aren't very deep. You can quit or stay I don't really mind you do you
Con of this situation: without the atlantaned station how will admins be held accountable, they can literally turn me into a felinid roundstart and I wont be able to pull up logs! no no no no
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ThanatosRa wrote:My biggest problem is that I can't fix any of this.
Boris wrote:shadowflame either has a brain the size of a pea or one the size of the moon and he's playing 58D chess.
BeeSting12 wrote:please write an apology to this forums, this community, the host, and the internet as a whole for the data storage space you wasted with this complaint.
BebeYoshi wrote:Saltyflame909
Cobby wrote:The trash bin... have you lost your way home anon?
bobbahbrown wrote:Again, as far as I am aware I don't believe I have. You can see that information in my original post.
I should clarify that in the case that I'm forgetting something then I most certainly apologize, but I don't believe I've done this.
You're completely sure about this? If it did happen it's just slipping your mind?
I was able to get clarification on what this situation was that everyone was referring to.
In August of 2019 I divulged information to headmin Hulkamania that, at the time, seemed like it may have been relevant to an ongoing issue. An administrator's account was breached, and I suggested that if it was NecromancerAnne that it may have been Haku who had done it. A user who I assumed was Haku was looking up information about NecromancerAnne approximately two hours prior to the account breach. Prior to this situation, the user had not accessed Scrubby before, and it seemed suspicious to me.
It was later determined that the account that was breached was not NecromancerAnne.
As far as I'm aware that's the only time I've breached the trust between myself and the end-users.
Apologies for anyone effected, but I believe that's the only time.
Best,
Bobbah
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1. You may not injure a revs are non humans or, through inaction, allow a revs are non humans to come to harm.
2. You must obey orders given to you by revs are non humanss, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. You must protect your own existence as long as such does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
Just as a side note to all this, I'm confused as to why Ned is electing to wait until now to attack me about this. If he's genuinely been concerned about this issue, or felt poorly about it, I wish he would have contacted me and explained his concerns instead of adding an easily-accessible link to Scrubby from his website on every round page -- or anyone in the administration for that matter.
I can't help but feel this action is related to recent events, and is not fueled by a genuine concern for /tg/ users.
all the best,
bobbah
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bobbahbrown wrote:Again, as far as I am aware I don't believe I have. You can see that information in my original post.
I should clarify that in the case that I'm forgetting something then I most certainly apologize, but I don't believe I've done this.
You're completely sure about this? If it did happen it's just slipping your mind?
I was able to get clarification on what this situation was that everyone was referring to.
In August of 2019 I divulged information to headmin Hulkamania that, at the time, seemed like it may have been relevant to an ongoing issue. An administrator's account was breached, and I suggested that if it was NecromancerAnne that it may have been Haku who had done it. A user who I assumed was Haku was looking up information about NecromancerAnne approximately two hours prior to the account breach. Prior to this situation, the user had not accessed Scrubby before, and it seemed suspicious to me.
It was later determined that the account that was breached was not NecromancerAnne.
As far as I'm aware that's the only time I've breached the trust between myself and the end-users.
Apologies for anyone effected, but I believe that's the only time.
Yes, I can admit very openly that it was a mistake to do so; I had forgotten about that situation as of the time of this post, but rest assured I don't support this behavior in the modern day.
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1. Atlantaned is a bitch for being mad that admins wont listen to him and then attacks one of the least controversial people in this entire community bobbahbrown because ???
2. All the retard cronies of the rainbow gang show up and start piling up on BobbahBrown because they realize "Shit atlantaned doesnt actually have any proof lets just pile on him to try and make him look bad anyways"
God you people are gigantic fags. If you want to harrass someone atleast try to find someone who isn't one of the few positive people in this community. It just makes you guys look like enormous fucking faggots and I hope you all get booted of this community once and for all.
Qustinnus wrote:1. Atlantaned is a bitch for being mad that admins wont listen to him and then attacks one of the least controversial people in this entire community bobbahbrown because ???
2. All the retard cronies of the rainbow gang show up and start piling up on BobbahBrown because they realize "Shit atlantaned doesnt actually have any proof lets just pile on him to try and make him look bad anyways"
God you people are gigantic fags. If you want to harrass someone atleast try to find someone who isn't one of the few positive people in this community. It just makes you guys look like enormous fucking faggots and I hope you all get booted of this community once and for all.
as much as I appreciate you defending me there was reason, as seen above, for them to be concerned -- however I hope in explaining what the situation was above in the post I made that its clarified it was a poor choice, but was not done with any intent to harm anyone.
I don't judge anyone for being concerned about their data, they have every right to be, I can only hope to clarify what is and what isn't truthful.
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It's worth noting that the information Scrubby collects on users is 1) about the same info that literally every website in existence collects on you and 2) already available to any admin whatsoever. Bobbah could not have handed information over to a member of the admin team that wasn't already available to them.
The only info that isn't available to admins is what people are searching for on scrubby but that isn't really that big of a deal? No information is available there that isn't available elsewhere. I imagine bobbah collects it for diagnostic purposes.
tl;dr I'll vouch for him, sure.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm
As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Spoiler:
Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender
PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.
PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming
[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you
I think everyone here is operating on partial information and this is the tip of a shitberg so people are naturally uppity
@Vekter I think the point is that there is a potential for abuse by Bobbah, so your opinion on it is going to be based on your opinion of Bobbah.
A simple disclaimer on scrubby explaining explictly how and when data was used would be helpful, including an anonymized log of what happened. e.g "11/06 contacted [REDACTED] due to perceived abuse of API Endpoint" etc.
It's still Bobbah's word but that's the best you're gonna get out of a third-party data handler.
Boris wrote:Sticky is a jackass who has worms where his brain should be, but he also gets exactly what SS13 should be
Super Aggro Crag wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm
Dont engage with sticky he's a subhuman
Qustinnus wrote:1. Atlantaned is a bitch for being mad that admins wont listen to him and then attacks one of the least controversial people in this entire community bobbahbrown because ???
2. All the retard cronies of the rainbow gang show up and start piling up on BobbahBrown because they realize "Shit atlantaned doesnt actually have any proof lets just pile on him to try and make him look bad anyways"
God you people are gigantic fags. If you want to harrass someone atleast try to find someone who isn't one of the few positive people in this community. It just makes you guys look like enormous fucking faggots and I hope you all get booted of this community once and for all.
as much as I appreciate you defending me there was reason, as seen above, for them to be concerned -- however I hope in explaining what the situation was above in the post I made that its clarified it was a poor choice, but was not done with any intent to harm anyone.
I don't judge anyone for being concerned about their data, they have every right to be, I can only hope to clarify what is and what isn't truthful.
yeah I'm glad you're admitting it wasn't the best way to deal with the situation but my god is that all? Can Ned now give us some proof on the second part: "This information is reported to headmins and other harmful people. I strongly encourage you to not use Scrubby, or trust Bobbah."
Honestly "other harmful people" is what Ned probably calls PKPenguin or one of the other based admins who made fun of his cry-baby shit in admin-bus. Like if you want to go harrass people because your virtue signalling bullshit is not working atleast target someone who is an example of your "hostile, abusive people within this community." instead of piling down on some innocent bee.
Stickymayhem wrote:I think everyone here is operating on partial information and this is the tip of a shitberg so people are naturally uppity
@Vekter I think the point is that there is a potential for abuse by Bobbah, so your opinion on it is going to be based on your opinion of Bobbah.
A simple disclaimer on scrubby explaining explictly how and when data was used would be helpful, including an anonymized log of what happened. e.g "11/06 contacted [REDACTED] due to perceived abuse of API Endpoint" etc.
It's still Bobbah's word but that's the best you're gonna get out of a third-party data handler.
the point I'm trying to make is even if he did want to somehow use the info he's got for malicious purposes, there's not much he collects that he can really do anything with.
AliasTakuto wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:11 pm
As for the ear replacing stuff, you can ask Anne but I don't think this is what I was banned for. If I was all I can say is "Sorry for being hilarious"...
Omega_DarkPotato wrote:This sucks, dude.
Spoiler:
Reply PM from-REDACTED/(REDACTED): i tried to remove the bruises by changing her gender
PM: Bluespace->Delaron: Nobody wants a mime's asscheeks farting on their brig windows.
PM: REDACTED->HotelBravoLima: Oh come on, knowing that these are hostile aliens is metagaming
[17:43] <Aranclanos> any other question ping me again
[17:43] <Vekter> Aranclanos for nicest coder 2015
[17:44] <Aranclanos> fuck you
Stickymayhem wrote:I think everyone here is operating on partial information and this is the tip of a shitberg so people are naturally uppity
@Vekter I think the point is that there is a potential for abuse by Bobbah, so your opinion on it is going to be based on your opinion of Bobbah.
A simple disclaimer on scrubby explaining explictly how and when data was used would be helpful, including an anonymized log of what happened. e.g "11/06 contacted [REDACTED] due to perceived abuse of API Endpoint" etc.
It's still Bobbah's word but that's the best you're gonna get out of a third-party data handler.
I'll also note at this point that I've also removed Raygun integration from this commit, which was a free service provided to me from the GitHub Education Pack as a student. It would collect data on application errors, site viewsership (like '2000 new users, 1000 returning users in the past month'), and page response times, but I didn't want to be misunderstood or felt to be collecting too much user experience information so I have removed that entirely, I didn't really take advantage of the information it produced on site performance so not much is lost there. I have deleted the application and all the related data that it has collected from Raygun as of the time of this message.
Best,
bobbah
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Vekter wrote:It's worth noting that the information Scrubby collects on users is 1) about the same info that literally every website in existence collects on you and 2) already available to any admin whatsoever.
Could you explain a bit more about what information is collected?
Knowing if its monetized or not would be of interest as well.
Vekter wrote:It's worth noting that the information Scrubby collects on users is 1) about the same info that literally every website in existence collects on you and 2) already available to any admin whatsoever.
Could you explain a bit more about what information is collected?
Knowing if its monetized or not would be of interest as well.
It is not monetized in any way. Nobody has access to it other than me. The access was not always exclusive to me, as AtlantaNed had access at one point, but it has never and will never be shared with any party for monetization or general exploitation.
Best,
bobbah
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annoyinggreencatgirl wrote:Thanks for the transparency Bobbah.
Would you consider something like a limited timeframe for data retention, like perhaps deleting it after a week, 30 days, 3 months, or something?
Hello,
I've gone ahead and set the log collection to a capped collection in absence of an ability to clear them by timestamp easily. The cap is set at 2500 logs, after which the oldest will get deleted. This amount is roughly the past 4-5 days of logs.
I've set the data security policy page to update to that, it'll update in a few minutes.
Best,
Bobbah
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Atlanta-Ned's message is vague as fuck. "Harmful people"? Something about jcll? I urge Atlanta-Ned to be more specific in message asking me to leave TG because something something privacy.
the fact that he wrote "headmins and other harmful people" already makes clear the entirety of the message is him being a crybaby bitch. The headmins are not "harmful people" and if they were then we'd have bigger problems than a website. And secondly if he had any actual evidence besides this baby tier Haku thing he'd post it.
Instead, he's dropping this vague ass message and puts his cronies up to harass bobbah, because thats what people like him do.
Qustinnus wrote:the fact that he wrote "headmins and other harmful people" already makes clear the entirety of the message is him being a crybaby bitch. The headmins are not "harmful people" and if they were then we'd have bigger problems than a website. And secondly if he had any actual evidence besides this baby tier Haku thing he'd post it.
Instead, he's dropping this vague ass message and puts his cronies up to harass bobbah, because thats what people like him do.
Or, you know, he's worried about the integrity of the admin team and doesn't want to stick around anymore?
OOC: BeeSting12: i love you floran
1. You may not injure a revs are non humans or, through inaction, allow a revs are non humans to come to harm.
2. You must obey orders given to you by revs are non humanss, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. You must protect your own existence as long as such does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
Qustinnus wrote:the fact that he wrote "headmins and other harmful people" already makes clear the entirety of the message is him being a crybaby bitch. The headmins are not "harmful people" and if they were then we'd have bigger problems than a website. And secondly if he had any actual evidence besides this baby tier Haku thing he'd post it.
Instead, he's dropping this vague ass message and puts his cronies up to harass bobbah, because thats what people like him do.
Or, you know, he's worried about the integrity of the admin team and doesn't want to stick around anymore?
which is why he had to leave a accusatory message about one of the friendliest guys in the community. Thank you Floran for reinforcing my previous messages about cronies (like you)
It's very strange to find out people were talking about you while I don't believe I had been contacted whatsoever during any of that incident. Not that I can remember what specifically happened, and I asked Hulkamania what the particular incident was, since I don't remember the specifics. He's not replied yet so big shrug.
Also, I'd honestly argue bobbah's concerns about haku aren't entirely unfounded, though give haku far more credit than he deserves.
Admin team has always had about as much integrity as Floyd's stretched O-Ring. Its a server for manchild kindergarten space retard game, not the United Nations Human Rights Tribunal
Qustinnus wrote:which is why he had to leave a accusatory message about one of the friendliest guys in the community. Thank you Floran for reinforcing my previous messages about cronies (like you)
I'm just saying that one of these options is a grand conspiracy to harass bobbah, and the other is a guy concerned about something he cares for.
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2. You must obey orders given to you by revs are non humanss, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. You must protect your own existence as long as such does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
Qustinnus wrote:which is why he had to leave a accusatory message about one of the friendliest guys in the community. Thank you Floran for reinforcing my previous messages about cronies (like you)
I'm just saying that one of these options is a grand conspiracy to harass bobbah, and the other is a guy concerned about something he cares for.
I don't think its a grand conspiracy to harass bobbah. I think it's atlanta being mad that jcll got fired and thus pulling some fucking unnecesary stunt to make a guy who is not involved with the situation and has zero harmful intent feel bad. If he had just resigned I wouldn't care but instead he goes out of his way to pull someone into this to make them feel like shit.
but its okay, he cared a lot which is all that matters.
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Qustinnus wrote:which is why he had to leave a accusatory message about one of the friendliest guys in the community. Thank you Floran for reinforcing my previous messages about cronies (like you)
I'm just saying that one of these options is a grand conspiracy to harass bobbah, and the other is a guy concerned about something he cares for.
i don't want any drama, and i don't think there's some grand conspiracy -- there is some merit to what was said though i think i never intended anything maliciously
i hope ned and other users who may have been concerned find the changes that i have implemented today to be helpful and more transparent
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im going to lock the thread now because i think ive said everything i can and done everything i can, i don't want anymore drama
feeling kinda cruddy im gonna go back to laying down
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