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Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:50 am
by Swept
DIscuss. I feel Discord just makes it too damn easy to metagame if you're smart about it. Also it enables cliques and sekrit clubs 1000% more than anything else.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:58 am
by Stickymayhem
Not really, the funny thing about metagaming is that the more you're affecting the game with it, the more exponentially obvious it is you're doing it. The better you are at hiding it, the less it actually affects anything.

Admins have a keen eye for it now. We don't talk about it much because the more you know about how to avoid it, the less they'll do dumb shit that gets them caught.

I wouldn't worry about it, just ahelp suspicious shit. It's a rare thing, and if it's happening, it's so subtle it's probably not impacting anything.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:39 am
by PKPenguin321
sense of community has certainly taken a dive, but that's not to say it's no longer present. discord is vastly more temporal than the forums (save for NTR hut) so people cannot often build up a presence out of game, and imo being able to just change your discord nickname to "cock shitter 69" or whatever the meme of the week is and making it so that nobody can identify you unless theyve autistically put a note on you compounds that severely

i dont think it affects metagaming much, before discord it was skype

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:20 am
by Timonk
No

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:34 am
by Sarvak
Discord does literally nothing that skype didn't do before it. Remove those rose tinted glasses.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:55 am
by BONERMASTER
No man, SS13 was already ruined in it's conceptual stage.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:59 am
by Sheodir
Metacomming was always easy if you were half clever about it. The thing is, it makes the game LESS fun to the people doing it. This has always been the main incentive against metacomming, and why people who do it are usually shitters trying to coordinate mass shitting rather than anything useful.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:28 pm
by Super Aggro Crag
Sounds like this dudes butthurt no one will invite him to the secret club offshoot discords

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:47 pm
by Cobby
wanna metacomm? meet in dorms 4 next round :3

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:55 pm
by NecromancerAnne
People are so blatant about metacomms at times, you can tell just by looking at them for a few seconds. Hell, I've spotted a few while playing before.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:08 pm
by wesoda25
Discord is annoying because there’s always some sort of clique that grows in it in which everyone says the same thing

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:15 pm
by Stickymayhem
Discord is annoying because there’s always some sort of clique that grows in it in which everyone says the same thing

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:06 pm
by Armhulen
ADMIN SKYPE GROUP (ADMIN SKYPE GROUP)

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:22 pm
by remanseptim
powergaming ERP metagang discords do not exist, we are not real

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:31 pm
by Armhulen
wesoda25 wrote:Discord is annoying because there’s always some sort of clique that grows in it in which everyone says the same thing
Almost all of recent drama has been egged on and directly supported by a certain group of people which is really fucked up considering it has been about mental illness and harassment

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:09 pm
by Farquaar
PKPenguin321 wrote:sense of community has certainly taken a dive, but that's not to say it's no longer present. discord is vastly more temporal than the forums (save for NTR hut) so people cannot often build up a presence out of game, and imo being able to just change your discord nickname to "cock shitter 69" or whatever the meme of the week is and making it so that nobody can identify you unless theyve autistically put a note on you compounds that severely
PK speaks the truth. It's not just SS13 either. A lot of Discord communities are relatively impenetrable compared to internet forums.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:17 pm
by Gigapuddi420
It's not so bad, if anything it just amplifies some of the issues we have within the community with ease of access and another dimension for groups to attention whore and bully each other. Mostly it works as intended and you can see people happily talking about their latest rounds in tgstation-general while all the memesters hang out in discussion-general. Cliques were always a thing and as much as we might hate it discord is a pandora's box we can't close. People are naturally gonna make their own like-minded communities to chill and talk shit in and the best you can do is maybe check in on some of them to make sure they aren't outright metacomming once in a while.

Toxicity, meta-cliques, bullying, attention whores and degenerates? They always existed. Now they have a better megaphone to spread their filth. Only advise I can give is to be the change you want to see and try to spread a bit of positivity. I don't think discord ruined ss13 though, a lot of that smacks of old burn outs shouting at kids on their lawn.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:57 pm
by MrStonedOne
The difference between discord and Skype wrt metacoms is that every player is active on discords that connect them to other players. Nobody was in a 3k users big /tg/station Skype group that allowed them to find connections to metacom with

It makes forming a metacom group as easy as a button press.

I feel like half the people spouting the S word in this thread hasn't taken even like 2 seconds to think that if discord is truly no different then Skype then why did discord blow away 7 years of Skype's market share in 7 months?

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:12 pm
by Armhulen
People were pretty fed up with microsoft's garbage changes. Discord has only become more and more about communities as time has gone on, but even back then it completely thumped skype. Also while you're correct about the size of groups I am ashamed to say I was part of a lot of massive skype groups so...I didn't really think about that in the equation.

Discord is easier to metacom with but if someone wants to metacom at no point in /tg/'s history has it been actually difficult for them to do so, and since most metacom "groups" are actually like brothers talking while they play or two friends not these boogeymen groups, i doubt discord has had very much effect on the amount of metacommers.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:14 pm
by Armhulen
And I wanted to say that part about what metacom groups /really/ are because I joined ss13 with a group of my friends all joining cargo and metacomming insanely hard. Realistically, close nit casual players will not be joining our massive discord communities and recruiting... or something like that. They're just going to log in with their pals.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:25 pm
by Timonk
Smh arm why would you metacoom

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:28 pm
by Armhulen
Timonk wrote:Smh arm why would you metacoom
i mean because none of us cared obviously it was just kinda fun to play. after everyone got bored and moved on I was the only person left playing so I just kinda got real with it

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:38 pm
by wesoda25
Armhulen wrote: i mean because none of us cared obviously it was just kinda fun to play. after everyone got bored and moved on I was the only person left playing so I just kinda got real with it
the sad story of everyone who has become a regular

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:59 pm
by cybersaber101
Completely shit thread.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:00 am
by Cobby
Armhulen wrote:
wesoda25 wrote:Discord is annoying because there’s always some sort of clique that grows in it in which everyone says the same thing
Almost all of recent drama has been egged on and directly supported by a certain group of people which is really fucked up considering it has been about mental illness and harassment
admins?

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:22 am
by Armhulen
Cobby wrote:
Armhulen wrote:
wesoda25 wrote:Discord is annoying because there’s always some sort of clique that grows in it in which everyone says the same thing
Almost all of recent drama has been egged on and directly supported by a certain group of people which is really fucked up considering it has been about mental illness and harassment
admins?
some

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:39 am
by oranges
before discord skype

before skype, teamspeak

before teamspeak, private ircd


There will always be shitters and there will always be some drama, each individual community member must make their own stand against private cords, and cliques

refuse to be a part of them, do not engage them, they will wither and die on their own. It is only through our own deeds and actions that we can defeat such things.

edit: at least irc was harder to get into

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:49 am
by MrStonedOne
You forgot Steam.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:34 am
by oranges
so did everyone else

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:21 am
by PKPenguin321
oranges wrote:so did everyone else
>he doesnt know

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:34 am
by actioninja
Skype was already in its death throes there just wasn't any alternative. Most people I knew were definitely in the stage of being very irritated with how poorly skype worked and how every major update just seemed to make it even worse.

Discord obliterated skype because Discord was free, worked well, and you could invite people to it by sending them a link. They could fully use it from said link without even making an account.
There's been something to be said of Discord slowly getting worse as well but it's not really to the same degree as skype ever was. Stability is lower because the service is more extensively used, lots of features nobody cares about, but it isn't at all in the realm of "barely functional" or stuffing ads down your throat. It still works better than I can knock it for for being free.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:14 am
by Swept
I metagame on Snapchat now

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:26 am
by bobbahbrown
Swept wrote:I metagame on Snapchat now
omg... wanna be snap friends?

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:41 am
by Swept
bobbahbrown wrote:
Swept wrote:I metagame on Snapchat now
omg... wanna be snap friends?
You know we already are

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:58 am
by Timonk
Who uses snap hat in 2020

edit: snapchat, thanks autocorrect.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:48 pm
by cedarbridge
I'll talk to one of the 9 metagroup discords I idle but never read. One of them might invite you if you're cool about it.

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:20 pm
by Armhulen
Timonk wrote:Who uses snap hat in 2020

edit: snapchat, thanks autocorrect.
You... don't have friends?

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:33 pm
by Space Panda
Armhulen wrote:
Timonk wrote:Who uses snap hat in 2020

edit: snapchat, thanks autocorrect.
You... don't have friends?
i am timonk's friend

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:22 pm
by Timonk
no

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:22 pm
by Timonk
Armhulen wrote:
Timonk wrote:Who uses snap hat in 2020

edit: snapchat, thanks autocorrect.
You... don't have friends?
how else do you think i didnt get into lifeweb

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:31 pm
by Space Panda
:( :revolver:

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:34 pm
by Timonk
do a flip

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:52 pm
by Space Panda
:revolver: :twisted:

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:02 pm
by Timonk
:toysword:

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:16 pm
by Qbmax32
throwback to always having to be logged on to the IRC as an admin before discord or you’d get deadminned

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:50 pm
by Armhulen
Qbmax32 wrote:throwback to always having to be logged on to the IRC as an admin before discord or you’d get deadminned
man i adminned you so long ago

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:50 am
by Timonk
every boomer admin wrote: back in my days I had to log into IRC before adminning else you'd get deadminned

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:07 am
by Qbopper
Qbmax32 wrote:throwback to always having to be logged on to the IRC as an admin before discord or you’d get deadminned
remember the schism over the move to discord lol

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:08 am
by Not-Dorsidarf
I was basically never in the IRC but I got away with it by saying sorry and turning irc on when anyone noticed.

I still maintain that the discord shift has made people less willing to stick around when dead and chat the shit until the next round but have absolutely 0 evidence

Re: Has Discord ruined SS13?

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:28 pm
by Qbopper
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:I still maintain that the discord shift has made people less willing to stick around when dead and chat the shit until the next round but have absolutely 0 evidence
I think this was becoming an issue before discord