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Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:59 pm
by Omni
That's what it is now: Lets not kid ourselves, nobody fixes the station ever, and power generation is so trivial anyways, you can put two handfuls of cable on solars and nobody will notice difference for average shift duration. We can just kinda pretend fusion oven is not a thing, probably for the better tbh.
As things stand now, title of whole department is just misleading.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:43 am
by JusticeGoat
this feels more like a issue with the types of behavior we allow on the servers, its gone from low RP to no RP, i suggest we start clamping down on tiders and people who don't add value to the play experience of other players and send them to no rp servers that alredy exist.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:29 am
by NoxVS
JusticeGoat wrote:this feels more like a issue with the types of behavior we allow on the servers, its gone from low RP to no RP, i suggest we start clamping down on tiders and people who don't add value to the play experience of other players and send them to no rp servers that alredy exist.

A big issue is that the gameplay encourages this tiding behavior. There is really nothing for engineering to do, and what little they can do is often tedious and boring.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:39 am
by Coconutwarrior97
God bless engi repair mains, always have foam grenades, APC/airlock electronics, mats, an atmos fan, and tablet set to monitor air alarms. I enjoy reconstructing departments when they get bombed.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 3:49 am
by Tlaltecuhtli
engis have no incentive to fix station outside of floor holes because shuttle will be called either way and it takes too long to do it for 0 rewards, fixing pipes only means you are helping plasmaflooding because air is never ever an issue
supermatter is a boolen for power production, it only exist to be sabotaged




only place that needs machinery built is medbay, but if medbay people havent upgraded their beds with operating tables and maybe more stasis beds it means they are newfags dufflebaggers that use level 1 tend wounds on a 600 damaged body so it wont make a difference

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:24 am
by Atlanta-Ned
This is a stupid thread.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:31 am
by PKPenguin321
>goons screaming and crying that "we should nerf assistant"
>tell them no because then the people who play it will take up important roles
>they do it anyways
>people who played assistant take up important roles
>"WTF WHY ARE IMPORTANT ROLES GREYTIDING"

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:19 am
by Armhulen
PKPenguin321 wrote:>goons screaming and crying that "we should nerf assistant"
>tell them no because then the people who play it will take up important roles
>they do it anyways
>people who played assistant take up important roles
>"WTF WHY ARE IMPORTANT ROLES GREYTIDING"

ok well wait until we do it

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:42 am
by cacogen
I fix the station but I'm in the minority. Construction is tedious and finicky so it's no wonder people don't like doing it unless it's for a building project or something.

Coconutwarrior97 wrote:God bless engi repair mains, always have foam grenades, APC/airlock electronics, mats, an atmos fan, and tablet set to monitor air alarms. I enjoy reconstructing departments when they get bombed.

I do too but it takes a very long time (sometimes impossible depending on the size or amount of breaches) and I'm usually the only one doing it.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:26 pm
by Cobby
"the game is boring so I greytide" is a very silly take, no one is threatening you at gunpoint to play the game or that job. If you dont find it fun, you can

1. change jobs
2. code features/tweaks to current features that you would find mechanically interesting
3. not play

you dont have to choose "play but not have fun so much to the point that you can only have fun by inconveniencing other people trying to legitimately play the game". If you ever come to this conclusion you should consider that you might be burnt out.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:45 pm
by Agux909
Cobby wrote:"the game is boring so I greytide" is a very silly take, no one is threatening you at gunpoint to play the game or that job. If you dont find it fun, you can

1. change jobs
2. code features/tweaks to current features that you would find mechanically interesting
3. not play

you dont have to choose "play but not have fun so much to the point that you can only have fun by inconveniencing other people trying to legitimately play the game". If you ever come to this conclusion you should consider that you might be burnt out.


blessed post

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:47 pm
by wesoda25
Coconutwarrior97 wrote:God bless engi repair mains, always have foam grenades, APC/airlock electronics, mats, an atmos fan, and tablet set to monitor air alarms. I enjoy reconstructing departments when they get bombed.

Bro you always monitor the sm, you’re embarrassing yourself.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:53 am
by CPTANT
Who thought it was a good idea to remove roundstart RCD?

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:34 pm
by saprasam
when the day comes i'm going to start maining captain and killing every tider who enters my office

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:19 am
by Flatulent
JusticeGoat wrote:i suggest we start clamping down on people who don't add value to the play experience of other players

“Entertain me or you are banned” - jannies in 2020

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:32 am
by terranaut
saprasam wrote:when the day comes i'm going to start maining captain and killing every tider who enters my office

you can already do that
trespassers in captains are fair game

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:43 am
by cacogen
Flatulent wrote:
JusticeGoat wrote:i suggest we start clamping down on people who don't add value to the play experience of other players

“Entertain me or you are banned” - jannies in 2020

yeah this is stupid

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:14 am
by VexingRaven
NoxVS wrote:
JusticeGoat wrote:this feels more like a issue with the types of behavior we allow on the servers, its gone from low RP to no RP, i suggest we start clamping down on tiders and people who don't add value to the play experience of other players and send them to no rp servers that alredy exist.

A big issue is that the gameplay encourages this tiding behavior. There is really nothing for engineering to do, and what little they can do is often tedious and boring.

Ok but like what kind of take is this? You have access to all the tools and construction materials in the game. If you have any intention of doing anything at all other than just griefing, you can do it as engineer. Want to set up a black market chem shop? Sure, grab the chem board and go to town. Want to set up a plasmaman lounge in the vacant office? You've definitely got the tools for that. Rage cage? Bet your ass.

If there's "nothing to do" then you wouldn't find anything to do in any role and you're clearly just out to start shit and should really just go take a break until your creativity returns. As far as departments with things to do go, engineering has plenty if you can think beyond just doing what the wiki tells you to. Hell look at Goonstation, they have the mechanic which has literally no job other than just doing stupid projects and that hardly ever turns into greytide.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:40 pm
by Vekter
Huh. And here I thought we got rid of the Hut.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:43 pm
by PKPenguin321
Vekter wrote:Huh. And here I thought we got rid of the Hut.

Wow never heard that before!!! What's that?? You disagree with me???? Well hey bud the hut's that way!!! This isn't the hut chief!!! Shitposts belong in the hut my dude!!!! They're has nevar bean even 1 (one) (1) shitpost outside of THE HUT and their never will be again, and your post is shit buckaroo so you better not post it in here!!!1!

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:51 pm
by Flatulent
Vekter wrote:Huh. And here I thought we got rid of the Hut.

not enough rp in general chat for your tastes?

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:11 am
by Timonk
We can't discuss things = no drama that's how that works right???

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:19 am
by oranges
so many people triggered by vekter lmao

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:59 am
by PKPenguin321
oranges wrote:so many people triggered by vekter lmao

help i dont know what asiht post is?

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:24 am
by Flatulent
oranges wrote:so many people triggered by vekter lmao

vekter is an internet roomba that bans everything it bumps into

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:08 pm
by Cobby
Image

and it's rent free?? What's the catch?

Oh, it's in HIS head... I think i'll look at all my options...

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:42 pm
by Flatulent
naturally there are no soy lattes nearby

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:16 am
by Omni
If there's "nothing to do" then you wouldn't find anything to do in any role and you're clearly just out to start shit and should really just go take a break until your creativity returns. As far as departments with things to do go, engineering has plenty if you can think beyond just doing what the wiki tells you to. Hell look at Goonstation, they have the mechanic which has literally no job other than just doing stupid projects and that hardly ever turns into greytide.

These are all cute and fun, but they are gimmicks. The point I was actually trying to make was that engineers (barring atmosians) have two tasks: keeping station powered and keeping station repaired/in usable state. None of these is very appealing to anyone at the moment and both are kinda fucked.
Power has always been imbalanced and fucked all around and some engines were not there to generate power but were more of weapons of mass destruction. But in attempt to prepare grounds for fixing that (or I think that's what was done) it brought us where we are now: SM is almost risk free, deprived of any danger aspect to it. It was very safe and robust engine even when special delams were a thing (It was basically impossible to find someone dumb enough to cause tesloose/singulodelam not on purpose, cause conditions were rather specific), and now not even that is a thing. Not even antagonists try to sabotage SM anymore, because it serves literally no purpose other than mildly inconveniencing someone cause explosion might sometimes damage some hallway. Oh and producing trace amounts of trit that gets instantly sucked out into space? Thanks I guess? Not to mention all kinds of removed/nerfed gas interactions- remember when SM actually generated rads around the place and was somewhaat dangerous to handle?
Irony is that despite all of that SM is still not even necessary- solars can handle station for average shift duration perfectly fine anyways, so what's the point?
A lot of things were said about repairing station in the thread, and I mostly agree. (thanks to whoever murdered RCD, thanks a million), but I believe the primal cause to be server culture: we play round for circa twenty minutes-half an hour, get all the valids, call it, reroll the valids, repeat. Or we play the round for half an hour and get round ended by nukies/blob/cult. That's how I see majority of the rounds go, and this is set up that makes any kind of repair work completely unnecessary.
You can't excuse the state of engineering with "but muh gimmicks" and "but just don't tide bro it's that simple!" when there are two main tasks it's supposed to do and both of them are inane and lame.

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:13 pm
by cacogen
Spoiler:
Cobby wrote:Image

and it's rent free?? What's the catch?

Oh, it's in HIS head... I think i'll look at all my options...
the inside of flatulent's mind is beautiful

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:58 pm
by Cobby
the agent did a good job decorating it

Re: Rename Engineering to Assistant+

PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:30 pm
by VexingRaven
Omni wrote:
If there's "nothing to do" then you wouldn't find anything to do in any role and you're clearly just out to start shit and should really just go take a break until your creativity returns. As far as departments with things to do go, engineering has plenty if you can think beyond just doing what the wiki tells you to. Hell look at Goonstation, they have the mechanic which has literally no job other than just doing stupid projects and that hardly ever turns into greytide.

These are all cute and fun, but they are gimmicks. The point I was actually trying to make was that engineers (barring atmosians) have two tasks: keeping station powered and keeping station repaired/in usable state. None of these is very appealing to anyone at the moment and both are kinda fucked.
Power has always been imbalanced and fucked all around and some engines were not there to generate power but were more of weapons of mass destruction. But in attempt to prepare grounds for fixing that (or I think that's what was done) it brought us where we are now: SM is almost risk free, deprived of any danger aspect to it. It was very safe and robust engine even when special delams were a thing (It was basically impossible to find someone dumb enough to cause tesloose/singulodelam not on purpose, cause conditions were rather specific), and now not even that is a thing. Not even antagonists try to sabotage SM anymore, because it serves literally no purpose other than mildly inconveniencing someone cause explosion might sometimes damage some hallway. Oh and producing trace amounts of trit that gets instantly sucked out into space? Thanks I guess? Not to mention all kinds of removed/nerfed gas interactions- remember when SM actually generated rads around the place and was somewhaat dangerous to handle?
Irony is that despite all of that SM is still not even necessary- solars can handle station for average shift duration perfectly fine anyways, so what's the point?
A lot of things were said about repairing station in the thread, and I mostly agree. (thanks to whoever murdered RCD, thanks a million), but I believe the primal cause to be server culture: we play round for circa twenty minutes-half an hour, get all the valids, call it, reroll the valids, repeat. Or we play the round for half an hour and get round ended by nukies/blob/cult. That's how I see majority of the rounds go, and this is set up that makes any kind of repair work completely unnecessary.
You can't excuse the state of engineering with "but muh gimmicks" and "but just don't tide bro it's that simple!" when there are two main tasks it's supposed to do and both of them are inane and lame.
What job does anyone have that's necessary besides medbay? There's enough food that the chef isn't needed, same with botany. Bartender's a meme RP job. Viro is very rarely if ever needed. R&D could literally build an R&D console in the hall and go AFK (or just let the engies build one like they always do). Genetics isn't needed either and mostly just gives tiders hulk. Janitor is mostly a meme job. Curator is entirely a meme RP job, same with chaplain outside of cult rounds (or validhunter chap).

Point is there are very few jobs that actually necessary for the station to work. But, if you have ideas for how to make engineering more interesting and engaging, without making it so they can't build gimmick shit anymore, I'm all ears and if it's good I might even try and c*de it.