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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:41 pm #574492

Space Panda wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:I've seen it happen in multiple communities. It starts with outspoken people. Then, once they run out of easy targets, they still need to justify their position so they start going after people who didnt cheer them on hard enough when they were doing the first purge. Always ends up in a purity spiral where whoever didn't clap hard enough like a trained seal is the next on the chopping block. Eventually you end up with a community of feckless sadbrain leeches who have driven out anyone who doesnt exist in a constant state of panic and anxiety, and they spend the rest of their days alternating between posting microwaved-six-times takes, picking fights with whoever didnt laugh hard enough at "people who disagree with me are stupid", and starting gofundmes and demanding everyone donate because they're AT RISK, DONT YOU CARE ABOUT THE LESS FORTUNATE


Give us some examples, craig. And how are those communities similar to /tg/13?

Something Awful, ResetERA, Rpgnet, every Reddit Ever. Spaces for nerds to talk about nerd shit get taken over by IDPOL grifters and maniacs and for all the talk of equity and inclusion it seems a certain subset of humanity is relegated to only being included to be a punching bag and grovel for forgiveness of people who died 200 years ago.

We have a rule. The rule is "don't be a dick." If someone is being a dick, ban them. That's sufficient. Making your platform "i am going to make new rules to ensure we hunt down everyone who thinks bad" makes me think you're going to tilt at windmills and be a detriment to the health of the community
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Istoprocent1 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:53 pm #574494

Super Aggro Crag wrote:We have a rule. The rule is "don't be a dick." If someone is being a dick, ban them.


This is already a slippery slope. Bigots in power can find anything that doesn't line with their thoughts and opinions to be dickish and people getting purged.

A better solution could be code one - say an optional checkbox for those who need it to filter no-no words. Oh shit, there is already an option - "Ignore user". :roll:

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Stickymayhem » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:57 pm #574495

You're losing your mind in strawmans here. I know that's your entire personality but I'm going to clarify for anyone sane reading. This isn't directed at crag specifically.

I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks. You can be a a fucking nazi for all I give a shit. There are countless places online that have turned into safe spaces for hate speech. As a counterpoint, when you don't moderate speech at all like /tg/station tends towards, you slide towards eliminating worthwhile contributors and members who don't want to share a space with bigots, and the result is you filter for a higher percentage of bigotry, look at 4chan, 8chan, many right-wing subreddits, hell even fucking here. You all have a million places to discuss your garbage ideas. Slurs and bigotry are not required to enjoy SS13. Not even a little bit, there is no benefit to having them.

I have spent the last two weeks arguing with people about this, and have never heard a single actual benefit to maintaining slurs other than "It filters out the less edgy people and we want /tg/station to stay edgy" and mad fan fictions about the transmin cabal destroying your game in a few months because we all got high on power. There are plenty of detriments in lost players. I don't give a fuck if you don't want to move closer to the mainstream. A community needs growth or it atrophies and dies, and we've only seen the positive benefits of the waves of interest we've had recently. You're a selfish baby throwing your toys out of the pram because you don't want normies joining the kool kids klub if this is you're opinion.

If you think that we'll all go crazy and hunt down every bigot for thoughtcrimes, that's your head canon you enjoy it. I don't care what you think, I just don't want you to talk about genociding people, white supremacy, hate towards people for shit they were born into and your hot takes on racial IQ in OOC while im playing a fucking space game. None of that is inextricably linked to SS13, none of it makes the game better, and you have plenty of places to discuss it outside of a dumbass video game.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:02 pm #574496

You think contributors want to stay around a server where at any moment some goober can get a hair across their ass, dox them, and get them banned? I got banned for "harassing" some dipshit janny who i never once even talked to because the banning admin had an angry boner against me because I revealed his boyfriend was sending me notes telling me to kill myself over discord when he was trying to get his polish sausage fuckbuddy unbanned.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Rustledjimm » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:06 pm #574497

Allowing it to happen because there are possible non-malicious uses gives cover to those who use it maliciously. There's also the loss of community and creative input from those that would leave or never even considering joining the community that allows those slurs.

The community growth, creative input etc. that we lose by allowing these slurs is much higher than those who will leave because we don't allow the slurs.

If not being allowed to slur means you now don't like /tg/station and leave then I say you are no loss to /tg/, there are others and more who will take your place because those slurs aren't allowed.



Also, Crag what you are saying can be used with any rules we have. Harassing will be against the rules even if such words are not banned so I'm afraid it's not really an argument against banning said words.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Agux909 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:10 pm #574498

Super Aggro Crag wrote: snip


Don't missunderstand. I don't defend either edge case. I'm talking of course mostly from my personal view, culture and experiences here. Truth is I've never felt even the most minuscule need to say a gamer word to anyone, and neither the need to censor or attack others saying them casually from time to time, in non-obnoxious ways of course.

So while I don't support shitty heavy handed stances on the matter such as goof's, I do support lighter ones such as Coconut's, which lean more towards context and meaning behind what's said.

And also, while we all know context matters and targeted harrasment is a big no-no, if 7/10 of the words you say are these so popular "gamer words" everyone knows people make a big fuss about nowadays, or racist phrases as Sticky pointed out up there, it tells you're looking for the wrong kind of attention and outcomes, and you should be approached and told to tone the fuck down.

After all, when typing, you have time to think about what you're about to send, and there's a million other ways to convey your thoughts other than being such an obnoxious piece of work.
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You stole the item he cannot renew while your arts n crafts are theoretically unlimited, is it that hard to understand?

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:13 pm #574499

These phantom stormfronters Stickymayhem is chasing in OOC aren't community members, they're edgy dipshit 15 year olds wandering in from Sseth's videos or the hub and when they start being dumb OOC is muted and they get banned under a rule we already have. I find it a bad faith argument that we need to remove "unironic ironic fascists" from the same guy who has his avatar wearing a fucking Schutzstaffel cap for years. Its just okay when Sticky does it?
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Stickymayhem » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:13 pm #574500

Super Aggro Crag wrote:You think contributors want to stay around a server where at any moment some goober can get a hair across their ass, dox them, and get them banned? I got banned for "harassing" some dipshit janny who i never once even talked to because the banning admin had an angry boner against me because I revealed his boyfriend was sending me notes telling me to kill myself over discord when he was trying to get his polish sausage fuckbuddy unbanned.


That has nothing to do with anything. We all wanted that shit out of adminbus and it's gone now. It had nothing to do with bigotry one way or the other, they were just cunts who never should have held any position of power.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Omni » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:14 pm #574501

Sticky, you have to be more specific about people this terribly bigoted,racist and mysoginistic community has driven out because of these qualities. Okay, Ninja once had some meltdown and apparently it was over some meanies wordies on discord, or something, but we'll need more than that to give that hypothesis some basis. I can't help you with that, burden of proof and all, but having spoken with people who won't touch this server wit 10 meter pole, bigotry was certainly not the major reason, but that's merely me and my anecdotal experience.
I do remember though how certain youtube persona known for being "haha based" and thinly veiled racist and antisemitic jokes brought thousands of people to try the atrophic and slowly dying game in wave of scale never seen before. But maybe I remember wrong.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Stickymayhem » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:17 pm #574502

Super Aggro Crag wrote:These phantom stormfronters Stickymayhem is chasing in OOC aren't community members, they're edgy dipshit 15 year olds wandering in from Sseth's videos or the hub and when they start being dumb OOC is muted and they get banned under a rule we already have. I find it a bad faith argument that we need to remove "unironic ironic fascists" from the same guy who has his avatar wearing a fucking Schutzstaffel cap for years. Its just okay when Sticky does it?


You know what, someone made me this avatar half a decade ago and I found it funny. It's an example of actual irony because I was called a nazi during my headmin terms and I stuck with it because leaning into that was funny. It's frustrating that actual nazis have ruined jokes like this, but irony poisoning is real and my profile picture is no longer acceptable.

My opinion on this has changed, and you're damn right, this isn't consistent, I've changed where I stand on hatespeech, mocking or not, so I'm going to change it.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Istoprocent1 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:19 pm #574504

Too late, Sticky is a confirmed fascist and a nazi synthesizer. :lol:

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Space Panda » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:19 pm #574505

based stucky

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:19 pm #574506

I dont want this community flooded with Sam Hyde Gamer Word Boys but I also don't want an Anti-Gamet Task Force kicking in everyone's doors and summarily executing them in the street. Is it possible to find a middle ground?

Also thank you for changing your avatar.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Agux909 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:23 pm #574507

Yes, middle ground. Well defined and less vague middle ground though.
You stole the item he cannot renew while your arts n crafts are theoretically unlimited, is it that hard to understand?

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Stickymayhem » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:27 pm #574509

Super Aggro Crag wrote:I dont want this community flooded with Sam Hyde Gamer Word Boys but I also don't want an Anti-Gamet Task Force kicking in everyone's doors and summarily executing them in the street. Is it possible to find a middle ground?

Also thank you for changing your avatar.


I'm hoping that this is that middle ground. I agree with you on more than you think. I'm obviously a soyboy leftist and I'm in plenty of leftist communities, and I'm usually the edgiest there, I bump up against censorship and it frustrates me. I don't ever want anything like that to happen here, and I've never been one to agree with unfettered admin power with no accountability.

More than anything and more important than freedom to slur, is the freedom to challenge authority here, the freedom to treat admins like shit if you and not have to deal with "disrespect" rule bullshit. Moderators should be accountable, to each other, to the host and most importantly to the people they're moderating. I will never infringe on that.

Also I stuck a new badge on my hat. I'm claiming this is temporary but knowing how lazy I am it'll be another 5 years before it changes again
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Istoprocent1 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:29 pm #574510

Agux909 wrote:Yes, middle ground. Well defined and less vague middle ground though.


The middleground should be "hey, you can discuss anything as long as you are not actively trying to harass others". A few edgy jokes or slurs from time to time shouldn't become an instant removal or a ban lottery.

Why would talking about racial differences be any different than talking about religion, identity politics or lifestyle choices like eating habits, mining crypto, mining chocolate or other sensitive topics?

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Agux909 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:30 pm #574511

Also I stuck a new badge on my hat. I'm claiming this is temporary but knowing how lazy I am it'll be another 5 years before it changes again


Fuck the police tho
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You stole the item he cannot renew while your arts n crafts are theoretically unlimited, is it that hard to understand?

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:30 pm #574512

Stickymayhem being based??? Redpilled??? Nice

Also but lets agree to preemptive ban every Head of Security main for being a cryptofascist
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Istoprocent1 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:30 pm #574513

Agux909 wrote:Fuck the police tho


Banned. Why you hefta be bigoted? :D

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Space Panda » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:31 pm #574514

Agux909 wrote:Fuck the police tho


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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:31 pm #574515

Istoprocent1 wrote:
Agux909 wrote:Fuck the police tho


Banned. Why you hefta be bigoted? :D

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Agux909 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:38 pm #574516

Super Aggro Crag wrote:
Also but lets agree to preemptive ban every Head of Security main for being a cryptofascist


One of my chars mains HoS, but he's not shitsec. Also, I don't put it on high priority either, always medium (but get it 8/10 of the times anyway). Does that count???
You stole the item he cannot renew while your arts n crafts are theoretically unlimited, is it that hard to understand?

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby trollbreeder » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:43 pm #574517

Agux909 wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:
Also but lets agree to preemptive ban every Head of Security main for being a cryptofascist


One of my chars mains HoS, but he's not shitsec. Also, I don't put it on high priority either, always medium (but get it 8/10 of the times anyway). Does that count???

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Space Panda » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:00 pm #574523

Stickymayhem wrote:Also I stuck a new badge on my hat. I'm claiming this is temporary but knowing how lazy I am it'll be another 5 years before it changes again



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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Stickymayhem » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:02 pm #574524

Space Panda wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:Also I stuck a new badge on my hat. I'm claiming this is temporary but knowing how lazy I am it'll be another 5 years before it changes again



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Oof it looks so bald without a hat though
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Istoprocent1 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:14 pm #574525

Space Panda wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:Also I stuck a new badge on my hat. I'm claiming this is temporary but knowing how lazy I am it'll be another 5 years before it changes again



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This is messed up. I hope you understand the hypocrisy of what you are preaching, Panda.

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Space Panda » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:26 pm #574526

Istoprocent1 wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Stickymayhem wrote:Also I stuck a new badge on my hat. I'm claiming this is temporary but knowing how lazy I am it'll be another 5 years before it changes again



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This is messed up. I hope you understand the hypocrisy of what you are preaching, Panda.


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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:30 pm #574527

They're a terrorist organization
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Postby Space Panda » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:31 pm #574528

Super Aggro Crag wrote:They're a terrorist organization


terrible, what did they do
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Istoprocent1 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:31 pm #574529

Space Panda wrote:redpill me on antifa


When somebody expresses opinions that don't line with yours, its bad and bigoted. When you push your political views, thoughts and opinions onto others, then its all good. Either all extremism should be okay or none of it should be okay. Imagine the uproar, when somebody shopped a nazi armband onto the character.

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Postby Ayy Lemoh » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:31 pm #574530

Space Panda wrote:redpill me on antifa

Let's ignore any actions antifa have done for a moment and focus on how the group probably likes socialism/communism. Doesn't matter which in this instance.

Alright, now here's the problem:
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bruh don't you mean US or WE for the commission price? why is there even a price? this is just failrp no matter what political lenses you view it through, bro

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:33 pm #574531

Space Panda wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:They're a terrorist organization


terrible, what did they do

Well they've started a race war in my country for the past few months and are executing people in the street and committing arson which if you support that i'm going to have to mark you as "cringe as fuck"
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Space Panda » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:35 pm #574532

Super Aggro Crag wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:They're a terrorist organization


terrible, what did they do

Well they've started a race war in my country for the past few months and are executing people in the street and committing arson which if you support that i'm going to have to mark you as "cringe as fuck"


woah, that must suck. what country do you live in?

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Space Panda » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:36 pm #574533

Ayy Lemoh wrote:bruh don't you mean US or WE for the commission price? why is there even a price? this is just failrp no matter what political lenses you view it through, bro


don't worry you'll get 5%

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:38 pm #574534

Space Panda wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:They're a terrorist organization


terrible, what did they do

Well they've started a race war in my country for the past few months and are executing people in the street and committing arson which if you support that i'm going to have to mark you as "cringe as fuck"


woah, that must suck. what country do you live in?

United States of America
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Postby Ayy Lemoh » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:39 pm #574535

Super Aggro Crag wrote:United States of America


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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Space Panda » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:39 pm #574536

Super Aggro Crag wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:
Space Panda wrote:
Super Aggro Crag wrote:They're a terrorist organization


terrible, what did they do

Well they've started a race war in my country for the past few months and are executing people in the street and committing arson which if you support that i'm going to have to mark you as "cringe as fuck"


woah, that must suck. what country do you live in?

United States of America


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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:45 pm #574538

So you support the actions of terrorists? Pretty cringe bro.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby actioninja » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:49 pm #574539

"I'm not racist, but these rules would be used to silence anyone who disagrees!"
"Actually, it's just a fact that despite making up 13% of the population..."

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Postby Armhulen » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:50 pm #574540

ah yes, politics of the united states
claims of terrorism, and unruly crime rates
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because the thread was lost to primates!
Go to bed bro, she's not thinking about you.

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Space Panda » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:52 pm #574541

should we make a peanut thread for this peanut thread

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby actioninja » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:56 pm #574542

It's always epic how those who are the first to claim that anyone who has a problem with them is just oversensitive are also the first to drop slurs on a dime as well as drop brain dead political takes like "antifa are terrorists who started a race war and execute people in the streets."
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:58 pm #574543

actioninja wrote:It's always epic how those who are the first to claim that anyone who has a problem with them is just oversensitive are also the first to drop slurs on a dime as well as drop brain dead political takes like "antifa are terrorists who started a race war and execute people in the streets."

A man was murdered this weekend and cities have been burning for months.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby wesoda25 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:02 pm #574544

wtg panda
Naloac wrote:Since you have asked for a *community opinion* and im the player voted admin. Ill give you my official opinion straight from the *community* Your fucking retarded

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby actioninja » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:07 pm #574545

Super Aggro Crag wrote:
actioninja wrote:It's always epic how those who are the first to claim that anyone who has a problem with them is just oversensitive are also the first to drop slurs on a dime as well as drop brain dead political takes like "antifa are terrorists who started a race war and execute people in the streets."

A man was murdered this weekend and cities have been burning for months.

Current kill count of antifa blm supersoldier terrorists: one guy who ran at a man legally concealed carrying trying to pepper spray him
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Space Panda » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:11 pm #574546

Space Panda wrote:
Ayy Lemoh wrote:bruh don't you mean US or WE for the commission price? why is there even a price? this is just failrp no matter what political lenses you view it through, bro


don't worry you'll get 5%


oh i think i get it now

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby cacogen » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:11 pm #574547

he shopped an antifa mask onto catbug and it just spiralled
technokek wrote:Cannot prove this so just belive me if when say this

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Armhulen » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:14 pm #574548

cacogen wrote:he shopped an antifa mask onto catbug and it just spiralled

Yeah
Go to bed bro, she's not thinking about you.

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby cacogen » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:17 pm #574549

I said the n in-game the other day as a joke because I spawned ginger and they're anagrams and now I'm going to be mass drivered into the sun by an anemic
technokek wrote:Cannot prove this so just belive me if when say this

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Headmin Election 12 Peanut Thread

Postby Armhulen » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:22 pm #574550

cacogen wrote:I said the n in-game the other day as a joke because I spawned ginger and they're anagrams and now I'm going to be mass drivered into the sun by an anemic

Holy shit that is an anagram
Go to bed bro, she's not thinking about you.

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