SS13 on Linux; Recent issues & Troubleshooting

[springs eternal]

Sup guys. Apologies if this is in the wrong area

I came back after a few months long hiatus. I use Linux, and everything works fine save for a few small quirks that didn't seem to occur before.

Basically, most of the dialog windows for vending machines/computers/control panels are broken. Some old styled ones such as the PDA still work, but most just end up like pic related. This doesn't seem to be happening on other servers (beestation, cev eris). TG is the main server I'm interested in playing on, and I've been racking my brain for a couple of days now reinstalling byond on lutris, playing with winetricks and fucking with different variables. I've totally hit a wall. Any input would be much appreciated!

Has anyone else encountered this before?

Thanks in advance.

Edit: Forgot to mention, fancy chat always fails to load and the "fix chat" button does not fix it.

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[SpaceManiac]

Everything works fine on a local server and everything breaks on /tg/'s live servers for me. I'm investigating whether this has anything to do with the CDN that was recently implemented.

[SpaceManiac]

MrStonedOne made a configuration change to the CDN servers that resolved the problem for me. Give it another try.

[springs eternal]

MrStonedOne made a configuration change to the CDN servers that resolved the problem for me. Give it another try.

Everything works fine on a local server and everything breaks on /tg/'s live servers for me. I'm investigating whether this has anything to do with the CDN that was recently implemented.

Unfortunately, still not working as of this morning. Tried both on Basil and Manuel. If I find a fix for it, I'll post it here.

Are you on linux? What distro and what version of wine?

[SpaceManiac]

Are you on linux? What distro and what version of wine?

Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS, Wine 3.0, winetricks wsh57 mfc42 vcrun2013 ie8 allfonts, winetricks settings fontsmooth=rgb, install of gecko

[MrStonedOne]

Sup guys. Apologies if this is in the wrong area

I came back after a few months long hiatus. I use Linux, and everything works fine save for a few small quirks that didn't seem to occur before.

Basically, most of the dialog windows for vending machines/computers/control panels are broken.

Recently we moved browser assets for in game windows (js/css/images) over to a web server (byond would normally send this to a folder hosted on a localhost server) to make in game interfaces load faster and reduce bandwidth by allowing these assets to be cached.

I'm hesitant to move the asset store to unencrypted connections over what seems to be 1 or 2 people having issues given how proliferate js http hijacking is at the internet backbone level.

The issues might be related to tls, I enabled 1.0 (the change space was talking about), but there may be a cert trust issue with your configuration.

I would start from there with your troubleshooting.

Here are some example urls to test:
Common.css: https://tgstation13.download/byond/asse ... 5de10d.css
chat output css: https://tgstation13.download/byond/asse ... f265bc.css
chat output js:
https://tgstation13.download/byond/asse ... 4f7b189.js
https://tgstation13.download/byond/asse ... b6efc5d.js

[springs eternal]

Thanks guys, good info above.

I'll try some stuff out on my end and if I find a fix I'll post what worked for me.

[Ivuchnu]

From my experience, both TGUI and tgchat are more or less broken on IE 8. Messed with somewhat old Windows 7 install recently. As bonus, if somehow they were not, paper would be broken.

Does latest byond version work in wine? Last time I tried to get it working it crashed.

[SpaceManiac]

From my experience, both TGUI and tgchat are more or less broken on IE 8. Messed with somewhat old Windows 7 install recently. As bonus, if somehow they were not, paper would be broken.

Does latest byond version work in wine? Last time I tried to get it working it crashed.

Paper is broken, but everything else works for me. System config in a previous post, BYOND 513.1528

[Nibor62]

From my experience, both TGUI and tgchat are more or less broken on IE 8. Messed with somewhat old Windows 7 install recently. As bonus, if somehow they were not, paper would be broken.

Does latest byond version work in wine? Last time I tried to get it working it crashed.

Paper is broken, but everything else works for me. System config in a previous post, BYOND 513.1528

Hi there,

I do have the exact same issue. It did worked several months ago, but is broken ever since.
I have white windows everywhere, like the css does not load.

@SpaceManiac, how did you make it work ?

[SpaceManiac]

It did worked several months ago, but is broken ever since.
I have white windows everywhere

Seeing the same thing on /tg/station13 servers, but it works fine locally, so presumably it's a CDN issue again, although I have no idea what exactly

[Nibor62]

Dug a little more yesterday.
It seem that https with wine ie is broken on my prefix. From what @MrStonedOne said I would guess that it may be the problem (I may miss something like crypt32 ?).
Do you have links (css & js) to check connectivity, those of @MrStonedOne seems to 404 ? If possible the ones that are needed for distributors.

[Nibor62]

I did somehow made IE8 work with https and successfully reached the @MrStonedOne links that does not 404.
Though I still have the cssless windows

[springs eternal]

Sorry about the relative necropost, but this is still an issue. I'll try and work it when I have free time, but if any other GNU/Linux aspies have input, it'd be much appreciated.

[Nibor62]

Hi,

No much more than you I am affraid.
I would still like to have links of the different resources that are dowloaded in order to see if I can download them with wine IE

[Nibor62]

Hi,

Can i make a little up there ?
I do think that this is linked to the http vs ie thing.
Could I have examples of the url that are dowloaded ?
Is there any way I could locally change https to http (in order to setup a proxy on my machine ?)

[Nibor62]

did some more tests
It seem that everything beyond tls1 is not supported by ie8 on wine.
Therefore, I tryed to setup a local https proxy in order to provide the client with a tls1 interface while my proxy would handle the higher tls with the server (alongside some caching).
It provided some result as in the main menu and character creation I had a better rendering.
However, I could not see any differences ingame (fancy chat still not loading properly and distributor still white)

[BadSS13Player]

Not relevant to running SS13 in wine, but VirtualBox has fixed their Direct3D driver and it works with BYOND now (albeit with some issues when resizing the viewport where you have to close and reopen DreamSeeker). You just have to install the newest guest additions, enable 3D acceleration in VM display settings (probably also increase the allocated video memory) and use a Windows guest newer than Win7 (because VirtualBox uses a different driver on there which seems to be a lot shittier).

[Nibor62]

Actually got bored of hacking and went for a win10 over KVM. It has really good perfs which is nice.
Btw, while I was playing with KVM I eventually tried with win7 VM and got the same problem I were having with wine. I would think that in the end it is not a wine issue but an ie8 one.

[BadSS13Player]

Actually got bored of hacking and went for a win10 over KVM. It has really good perfs which is nice.
Btw, while I was playing with KVM I eventually tried with win7 VM and got the same problem I were having with wine. I would think that in the end it is not a wine issue but an ie8 one.

Is that KVM with qemu or KVM with VirtualBox? If it's with qemu, are you using any graphics drivers? BYOND used to have an issue with win7 without graphics drivers where overlays would be invisible and that made the game unplayable. Also, you can install IE11 on win7 sp1.

[Nibor62]

Actually got bored of hacking and went for a win10 over KVM. It has really good perfs which is nice.
Btw, while I was playing with KVM I eventually tried with win7 VM and got the same problem I were having with wine. I would think that in the end it is not a wine issue but an ie8 one.

Is that KVM with qemu or KVM with VirtualBox? If it's with qemu, are you using any graphics drivers? BYOND used to have an issue with win7 without graphics drivers where overlays would be invisible and that made the game unplayable. Also, you can install IE11 on win7 sp1.

I am using qemu/kvm with the virt-manager on arch.
I quickly went back to windows10 as I had some minor but annoying issues with win7 (the mouse was quick wierd/quircky due to the virtual touch pad not correctly handled).
Also there is a free win10 VM to try edge that run ss13 finely.

Has to tried ie11 on win7 sorry

[springs eternal]

I am using qemu/kvm with the virt-manager on arch.
I quickly went back to windows10 as I had some minor but annoying issues with win7 (the mouse was quick wierd/quircky due to the virtual touch pad not correctly handled).
Also there is a free win10 VM to try edge that run ss13 finely.

Has to tried ie11 on win7 sorry

hey bro, i got byond working in qemu/kvm but it's unplayably low FPS and there is significant input lag when typing ingame. do you have a good guide on how to fix that? thanks brother.

[Nibor62]

Hi,

Don't really know.
Had poor perf with virtualBox in the beginning, which is why I went to kvm/qemu
Tryed a win7 at first, but got a weird laggish mouse. The fix was to use a touchpad in the vm configuration, but was only available ion win10.
So I finally went for the official win10 edge trying VM. Migrated it from virtualbox to qemu/kvm. Then I used the default setting I got from libvirt And it worked fine out of the box.

I am using arch btw :3

[springs eternal]

Hi,

Don't really know.
Had poor perf with virtualBox in the beginning, which is why I went to kvm/qemu
Tryed a win7 at first, but got a weird laggish mouse. The fix was to use a touchpad in the vm configuration, but was only available ion win10.
So I finally went for the official win10 edge trying VM. Migrated it from virtualbox to qemu/kvm. Then I used the default setting I got from libvirt And it worked fine out of the box.

I am using arch btw :3

ahh gotcha. i'm using libvirt with qemu/kvm and it's very laggy with win10, not really sure what i'm doing wrong. i'm just using a regular windows 10 ISO though for the VM, you mentioned an official win10 edge? is that a like a VM specific version of win10? i'm pretty new at this, thanks in advance.

[Nibor62]

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/m ... tools/vms/
Then I did converted the image from a virtualbox one to a qemu one.

Though there could be many ways your setup end up being laggy.
Including hardware one (ram or CPU capability to handle kvm things)