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do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:20 pm
by bobbahbrown
are inactive admins still eligible to vote where inactive players generally arent

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:42 pm
by Tlaltecuhtli
do you want only trialmins to vote? lol

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:55 pm
by Kel
Tlaltecuhtli wrote:do you want only trialmins to vote? lol

damn sick burn

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:46 pm
by imsxz
hmm yes i never play the game and dont care about /tg/ anymore but i see my old pal is running for headmin and my vote holds a fair bit of weight :)

((this is a shitpost, if they're out of touch they probably wont care enough to vote))

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:50 pm
by terranaut
imsxz wrote:((this is a shitpost, if they're out of touch they probably wont care enough to vote))

dont hide behind this you coward, you know its not

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:34 pm
by wesoda25
I would like to know this as well

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:16 pm
by oranges
no

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:54 pm
by wesoda25
Ok lets make it happen

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:21 am
by terranaut
oranges wrote:no

why

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:07 am
by Ayy Lemoh
imsxz wrote:hmm yes i never play the game and dont care about /tg/ anymore but i see my old pal is running for headmin and my vote holds a fair bit of weight :)

((this is a shitpost, if they're out of touch they probably wont care enough to vote))

It's impossible for this to be 100% a shitpost because even if the reality is that you're 99% right, there is still that one chance of a series of events leading to "my old pals, please help me win the popularity contest 8-)". It's impossible for this to never have happened at least once.

Personally, I find it highly likely for someone to tell his old pals about the election. If they aren't told then, yeah, they'll miss the election entirely if out of touch.

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:51 am
by Naloac
yikes

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:28 am
by Plapatin
where are these inactive admins
where is the shadow cabal of boomermins who influence elections and never contribute anything to the game and haven't been seen in 6 months yet are still active enough to maintain total control over /tg/ no seriously i wanna join them

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:42 am
by bobbahbrown
Plapatin wrote:where are these inactive admins
where is the shadow cabal of boomermins who influence elections and never contribute anything to the game and haven't been seen in 6 months yet are still active enough to maintain total control over /tg/ no seriously i wanna join them


hello plapatin,

in the interest of trying to provide you with an answer i went ahead and looked at a data set i have for 30 days of admin activity from august 24th, which is exported from statbus on that date. note that the number of admins has slightly increased from august 24th, but im just going to use the data set at that time as an example as i imagine the real filter is based on data before the vote has started.

at that time there were 90 admins with +BAN, which excludes the tgstation account and mso as presumably he does not vote in the election in this manner. if we were to put a relatively simple filter of more than 20 connections in that 30 days, it disqualifies about half of the admin team (42 people) including yourself. similarly, requiring at least one connection to any server in that 30 day period disqualifies about a quarter (25 people).

whilst those bolded terms might seem interesting, of those people with zero connections at that time, about five of them have suddenly got at least one connection in the past seven days indicating they likely logged on to vote. in this regard, perhaps this is not as large of an issue that people may initially think, but we're also not at the end of the voting period so it is difficult to ascertain how many more will vote this weekend in the last couple of days.

from looking at the source for tgdb, this is one of the few filters built into the irv polling system, though the actual filters used are probably considerably different; hopefully this example gives you an idea of how in-game activity could affect the vote similar to how we judge players.

data available here, as always.

whilst i understand that the concept of admin activity is more complicated than 'yes they connect to the servers they are asked to administrate by virtue of their position' due to the complexities of people who keep up-to-date in discord, i still hope this answer provides you with some level of answer. i know this seems to be a concept that is thrown around a lot without much proposal of what it actually means to be inactive!

all the best,
bobbah "bee" brown

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:51 pm
by Cobby
You can dislike the fact there are admins who play less than once/month during an entire headmin term without thinking they are a shadow government.

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:13 pm
by capn_monkeypaw
Everyone I don't like is a boomermin.

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:17 pm
by Cobby
Imagine I posted a smug anime girl and also imagine it was funny

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:19 pm
by capn_monkeypaw
all my homies hate boomermins

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:14 pm
by imsxz
terranaut wrote:
imsxz wrote:((this is a shitpost, if they're out of touch they probably wont care enough to vote))

dont hide behind this you coward, you know its not


plausible deniability in case anyone gets mad at me
((this is a shitpost, i would never do something so deceitful and dishonest))

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:57 pm
by Tlaltecuhtli
the only way to prevent the shadowgov is a parallel server with fake bots where the shadow gov can administrate, as they wont notice its fake

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:41 pm
by RiskySikh
hahahaha i know the truth hurts, but i make a passive aggressive joke hehehe

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:49 pm
by Qbopper
rent free

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:08 pm
by oranges
terranaut wrote:
oranges wrote:no

why

because the vote filter is there only to remove voters who aren't actually tgstation community members, and becoming an admin just to vote seems quite unlikely so the filter would be effectively useless.

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:00 am
by terranaut
oranges wrote:
terranaut wrote:
oranges wrote:no

why

because the vote filter is there only to remove voters who aren't actually tgstation community members, and becoming an admin just to vote seems quite unlikely so the filter would be effectively useless.

Obviously no but according to bobbahs data further up it looks like a few admins logged in just to vote, their first login in a long while
I don't think that's great

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:30 pm
by oranges
you should filter the tgmc vote then.

Re: do the headmin voting filters also apply to the admin vote

PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:54 pm
by BeeSting12
i didnt vote. im not active right now and i didnt think there were any bad candidates that had a chance of winning.