THEY REMOVED SLUGS FROM PRINTER

RiskySikh · Post by **RiskySikh** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:52 am #585109

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/55663
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT WHY CAN WE GO BACK TO 2018 BAGIL IN WHICH SEC WASNT DOO DOO POO SHIT

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:57 am #585110

lets fucking goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:01 am #585111

when do we reach the point where we nerf anything and everything and nothing does anything anymore

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:02 am #585112

aka the hugbox singularity point
im just gonna craft improvised shotguns for my slugs now

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:06 am #585114

Oh great. A poorly thought out shitty solution to a genuine problem. I wonder if oranges would have even merged it had digg not raided the pr.

Only good thing about that pr was slug removal though LOL

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:09 am #585115

Also im of the opinion that in a game where we can blow someone's head off and nerf medicine because it has no backlash (hi Cobby babe) should have some resemblance to real life concepts since we can't bullet sponge 5 buckshot rounds to the head IRL either

bobbahbrown · Post by **bobbahbrown** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:46 am #585116

bad pr

we have a habit of doing the 'first step' for a fix towards a problem but never having the follow through.

with great concern,
bobbah 'bee' brown

bobbahbrown · Post by **bobbahbrown** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:53 am #585117

not only that but jesus is it too much to ask contributors to test their code at a bare minimum??

slightly frustrated,
bobbah 'bee' brown

Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:08 am

bobbahbrown wrote:not only that but jesus is it too much to ask contributors to test their code at a bare minimum??

slightly frustrated,
bobbah 'bee' brown

that means they'd have to play the game, bobbah...

remanseptim · Post by **remanseptim** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:34 am #585120

what's that? an alternative ammo type?
it made me horizontal?
AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *blood spews from eyes, mouth foams, head slams repeatedly into keyboard until both it and my cranium are a fine dust*
NOOOOO IT CAN'T BE, THE ELDRITCH HORROR, IT'S TOO MUCH
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!! HELP ME CODERS!!!

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:03 am #585123

With all the other changes, this ended up being a pretty bad change. And although it won't be done he should actually be temporarily gitbanned for not testing something like that. Big difference between finding bugs in a new feature and just webbiting controversial change #12054 and not even testing.

To be clear, removal of slugs good, everything else bundled on made it not worth it and I'd much rather someone took MY design document for reworking ALL guns at once instead of randomly breaking stuff and, as bobbah said, taking first step

confused rock · Sat Dec 26, 2020 3:49 am

I'm sure it's very balanced now that it's slightly more annoying for you to get your hands on dangerous ammo, but said dangerous ammo is just as unfair when you have it ready and gg someone in the face.

Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:56 am

confused rock wrote:I'm sure it's very balanced now that it's slightly more annoying for you to get your hands on dangerous ammo, but said dangerous ammo is just as unfair when you have it ready and gg someone in the face.

lol no slugs do 30 damage aka 18 on security. 12 shot kills...

ALSO its gone from autolathe and techlathe.

Kendrickorium · Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:15 am

daddy oranges knows best

Post by **Cobby** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:22 am #585130

Remove ballistics, embrace lasers, become lore friendly

Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:45 am

Cobby wrote:Remove ballistics, embrace lasers, become lore friendly

cringe headcanon

Farquaar · Post by **Farquaar** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:15 am #585141

Cobby wrote:Remove ballistics, embrace lasers, become lore friendly

ew

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:01 am #585144

How do you get buckshot or slugs now?

Post by **Shaps-cloud** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:29 am #585146

You just don't

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:16 am #585150

OK time to pull out pulse slugs and scatter lasers

Post by **oranges** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:21 am #585153

it won't save you

BONERMASTER · Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:30 am

There's plenty of other things that are draining the fun out of this game, I don't think shotgun was up there. Personally, would rather put the energy into reforming melee, for example empty swinging and hitting people when they walk into it, so you don't develop aspergers trying to click your target.

Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:41 am

Make improvised shells.

pugie · Post by **pugie** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 10:58 am #585156

Don't be sad because it's over.
Be happy because it happened.

Imagine an alternate reality though where I didn't kill old adrenals traitor imsxz with slugs in space and no one started to jump on the slug hate bandwagon.

Post by **Vekter** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:05 am #585158

Shotguns being gone lets us do some cool shit with rebalancing lasers instead of designing literally everything combat related around whether or not shotguns can ace you.

Anyway I'm seeing the usual divide between level-headed players and massive shitslinging apes so I think this is a good change.

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:07 am #585160

Guys can I shoot you with a laser that can cause third degree burns once trust me I can just put some regen mesh on the wound and it'll be fine

terranaut · Post by **terranaut** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:26 am #585161

*buys energy shield*

pugie · Post by **pugie** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 12:22 pm #585164

cacogen · Post by **cacogen** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:37 pm #585166

pugie wrote: Imagine an alternate reality though where I didn't kill old adrenals traitor imsxz with slugs in space and no one started to jump on the slug hate bandwagon.

what's to hate

also this thread got 28 replies in less than 14 hours i've read three of them that's all i'm gonna do my take is i don't care i have bad ping i avoid combat

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:26 pm #585170

Also im sure a shot from a revolver is more dangerous than a big ass fucking slug shot by a shotgun

confused rock · Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:05 pm

traitor guns are still balanced around stun combat. 60 damage bullets were balanced when compared to 1 shot tazers. ebows, revolvers, etc still need a nerf.

terranaut · Post by **terranaut** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:29 pm #585192

confused rock wrote:traitor guns are still balanced around stun combat. 60 damage bullets were balanced when compared to 1 shot tazers. ebows, revolvers, etc still need a nerf.

hot take but traitors should be stronger than the average shitter with a stolen gun

Post by **oranges** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:09 pm #585199

terranaut wrote:
confused rock wrote:traitor guns are still balanced around stun combat. 60 damage bullets were balanced when compared to 1 shot tazers. ebows, revolvers, etc still need a nerf.
hot take but traitors should be stronger than the average shitter with a stolen gun

mildly warmed maybe

terranaut · Post by **terranaut** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:27 pm #585204

oranges wrote:
terranaut wrote:
confused rock wrote:traitor guns are still balanced around stun combat. 60 damage bullets were balanced when compared to 1 shot tazers. ebows, revolvers, etc still need a nerf.
hot take but traitors should be stronger than the average shitter with a stolen gun
mildly warmed maybe

it was spiced with sarcasm

Flatulent · Post by **Flatulent** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:30 pm #585220

now every time i die from lack of slugs(which is now permanent by the way) i can complain that the coders killed me

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:50 pm #585223

but why should 1 revolver shot wreck your whole life when half a salve of buckshot barely scratches you

Stickymayhem · Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:17 pm

Timonk wrote:but why should 1 revolver shot wreck your whole life when half a salve of buckshot barely scratches you

In real life: Because the force is distributed amongst many small projectiles rather than concentrated in one large one
In game: because the damage is distributed amongst many small projectiles rather than concentrated in one large one

A slug is 100% of the damage/force, while buckshot in game often misses a few pellets

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:25 am #585244

yea but 1 full salve of buckshot still does less damage than 1 revolver shot

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:26 am #585246

again, wanna try bullet sponging half a salve of buckshot IRL?

remanseptim · Post by **remanseptim** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:08 am #585251

local EU nogunz vegan talks about real life guns and expects not to be laughed at

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:19 am #585253

local guntriot talking about how gun good expecting to not be laughed at

ArcaneDefence · Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:03 am

Timonk wrote:local guntriot talking about how gun good expecting to not be laughed at

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EUROPOORS HNNGNNGNGNGNGNGNGGGGGGGGGGG GUUUUUUUUUUN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

Post by **oranges** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:22 am #585273

americans expecting real life gun knowledge to transfer into 2d retrofuture space sim in the year 2020

Kendrickorium · Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:13 am

I barely use shotguns, ever

that said constantly nerfing things is.. never a good thing

Super Aggro Crag · Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:16 am

We're all just npcs here for the lucky antag rollers to steamroll

Post by **JusticeGoat** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:23 pm #585300

i rarely if ever used shotguns but just removing slugs is silly, i rather a damage nerf than a removal.

Timonk · Post by **Timonk** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:34 pm #585305

i would be for a damage nerf if you could show me how you could take more than 2 shotgun slugs and survive with no professional medical treatment IRL

Stickymayhem · Sun Dec 27, 2020 4:01 pm

remanseptim wrote:local EU nogunz vegan talks about real life guns and expects not to be laughed at

I didn't think someone could be more obsessed with me than terranaut but you did it nice work

I'll time share out your skull to my extended family

terranaut · Post by **terranaut** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:25 pm #585313

the only person obsessed with sticky is sticky as is evident by him thinking that everytime someone else mentions him that that person is obsessed with him

wesoda25 · Post by **wesoda25** » Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:47 pm #585314

Bad form