/tg/Station 13

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/55663
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT WHY CAN WE GO BACK TO 2018 BAGIL IN WHICH SEC WASNT DOO DOO POO SHIT

lets fucking goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

when do we reach the point where we nerf anything and everything and nothing does anything anymore

aka the hugbox singularity point
im just gonna craft improvised shotguns for my slugs now

Oh great. A poorly thought out shitty solution to a genuine problem. I wonder if oranges would have even merged it had digg not raided the pr.

Only good thing about that pr was slug removal though LOL

Also im of the opinion that in a game where we can blow someone's head off and nerf medicine because it has no backlash (hi Cobby babe) should have some resemblance to real life concepts since we can't bullet sponge 5 buckshot rounds to the head IRL either

bad pr

we have a habit of doing the 'first step' for a fix towards a problem but never having the follow through.

with great concern,
bobbah 'bee' brown

not only that but jesus is it too much to ask contributors to test their code at a bare minimum??



slightly frustrated,
bobbah 'bee' brown

bobbahbrown wrote:not only that but jesus is it too much to ask contributors to test their code at a bare minimum??



slightly frustrated,
bobbah 'bee' brown

that means they'd have to play the game, bobbah...

what's that? an alternative ammo type?
it made me horizontal?
AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *blood spews from eyes, mouth foams, head slams repeatedly into keyboard until both it and my cranium are a fine dust*
NOOOOO IT CAN'T BE, THE ELDRITCH HORROR, IT'S TOO MUCH
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!! HELP ME CODERS!!!

With all the other changes, this ended up being a pretty bad change. And although it won't be done he should actually be temporarily gitbanned for not testing something like that. Big difference between finding bugs in a new feature and just webbiting controversial change #12054 and not even testing.

To be clear, removal of slugs good, everything else bundled on made it not worth it and I'd much rather someone took MY design document for reworking ALL guns at once instead of randomly breaking stuff and, as bobbah said, taking first step

I'm sure it's very balanced now that it's slightly more annoying for you to get your hands on dangerous ammo, but said dangerous ammo is just as unfair when you have it ready and gg someone in the face.

confused rock wrote:I'm sure it's very balanced now that it's slightly more annoying for you to get your hands on dangerous ammo, but said dangerous ammo is just as unfair when you have it ready and gg someone in the face.

lol no slugs do 30 damage aka 18 on security. 12 shot kills...

ALSO its gone from autolathe and techlathe.

daddy oranges knows best

Remove ballistics, embrace lasers, become lore friendly

Cobby wrote:Remove ballistics, embrace lasers, become lore friendly

cringe headcanon

Cobby wrote:Remove ballistics, embrace lasers, become lore friendly

ew

How do you get buckshot or slugs now?

You just don't

OK time to pull out pulse slugs and scatter lasers

it won't save you

There's plenty of other things that are draining the fun out of this game, I don't think shotgun was up there. Personally, would rather put the energy into reforming melee, for example empty swinging and hitting people when they walk into it, so you don't develop aspergers trying to click your target.

Make improvised shells.

Don't be sad because it's over.
Be happy because it happened.

Imagine an alternate reality though where I didn't kill old adrenals traitor imsxz with slugs in space and no one started to jump on the slug hate bandwagon.

Shotguns being gone lets us do some cool shit with rebalancing lasers instead of designing literally everything combat related around whether or not shotguns can ace you.

Anyway I'm seeing the usual divide between level-headed players and massive shitslinging apes so I think this is a good change.

Guys can I shoot you with a laser that can cause third degree burns once trust me I can just put some regen mesh on the wound and it'll be fine

*buys energy shield*

pugie wrote: Imagine an alternate reality though where I didn't kill old adrenals traitor imsxz with slugs in space and no one started to jump on the slug hate bandwagon.

what's to hate

also this thread got 28 replies in less than 14 hours i've read three of them that's all i'm gonna do my take is i don't care i have bad ping i avoid combat

Also im sure a shot from a revolver is more dangerous than a big ass fucking slug shot by a shotgun

traitor guns are still balanced around stun combat. 60 damage bullets were balanced when compared to 1 shot tazers. ebows, revolvers, etc still need a nerf.

confused rock wrote:traitor guns are still balanced around stun combat. 60 damage bullets were balanced when compared to 1 shot tazers. ebows, revolvers, etc still need a nerf.

hot take but traitors should be stronger than the average shitter with a stolen gun

terranaut wrote:

confused rock wrote:traitor guns are still balanced around stun combat. 60 damage bullets were balanced when compared to 1 shot tazers. ebows, revolvers, etc still need a nerf.

hot take but traitors should be stronger than the average shitter with a stolen gun

mildly warmed maybe

oranges wrote:

terranaut wrote:

confused rock wrote:traitor guns are still balanced around stun combat. 60 damage bullets were balanced when compared to 1 shot tazers. ebows, revolvers, etc still need a nerf.

hot take but traitors should be stronger than the average shitter with a stolen gun

mildly warmed maybe

it was spiced with sarcasm

now every time i die from lack of slugs(which is now permanent by the way) i can complain that the coders killed me

but why should 1 revolver shot wreck your whole life when half a salve of buckshot barely scratches you

Timonk wrote:but why should 1 revolver shot wreck your whole life when half a salve of buckshot barely scratches you

In real life: Because the force is distributed amongst many small projectiles rather than concentrated in one large one
In game: because the damage is distributed amongst many small projectiles rather than concentrated in one large one

A slug is 100% of the damage/force, while buckshot in game often misses a few pellets

yea but 1 full salve of buckshot still does less damage than 1 revolver shot

again, wanna try bullet sponging half a salve of buckshot IRL?

local EU nogunz vegan talks about real life guns and expects not to be laughed at

local guntriot talking about how gun good expecting to not be laughed at

Timonk wrote:local guntriot talking about how gun good expecting to not be laughed at

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americans expecting real life gun knowledge to transfer into 2d retrofuture space sim in the year 2020

I barely use shotguns, ever

that said constantly nerfing things is.. never a good thing

We're all just npcs here for the lucky antag rollers to steamroll

i rarely if ever used shotguns but just removing slugs is silly, i rather a damage nerf than a removal.

i would be for a damage nerf if you could show me how you could take more than 2 shotgun slugs and survive with no professional medical treatment IRL

remanseptim wrote:local EU nogunz vegan talks about real life guns and expects not to be laughed at

I didn't think someone could be more obsessed with me than terranaut but you did it nice work

I'll time share out your skull to my extended family

the only person obsessed with sticky is sticky as is evident by him thinking that everytime someone else mentions him that that person is obsessed with him

Bad form