Does Security need an end-game?

[Shadowflame909]

I mean Power-Escalation wise and all that.

Xenobio still has one (Nerfed a chunk though, from gods to just robust)

Mining has one, Genetics, Even the Clown has one!

I honestly think the best security end-content would be a de-antagonizer machine built thanks to really expensive cargo profits, head of staff approval, and Antagonists in the prison system. Finally get those antags that have been dead since 30 minutes into the round back into the round, but on your side.

[Fishimun]

we can finally remove friendly antags forever by putting them into the cbt machine

[chocolate_bickie]

Is this aimed at lrp or mrp?

Because lrp has an end goal. Kill all the antags then call the shuttle.

[RaveRadbury]

I honestly think the best security end-content would be a de-antagonizer machine built thanks to really expensive cargo profits, head of staff approval, and Antagonists in the prison system. Finally get those antags that have been dead since 30 minutes into the round back into the round, but on your side.

It's called the Enhanced Interrogation Chamber, you get it from the BEPIS

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[iksyp]

I mean Power-Escalation wise and all that.

Xenobio still has one (Nerfed a chunk though, from gods to just robust)

Mining has one, Genetics, Even the Clown has one!

I honestly think the best security end-content would be a de-antagonizer machine built thanks to really expensive cargo profits, head of staff approval, and Antagonists in the prison system. Finally get those antags that have been dead since 30 minutes into the round back into the round, but on your side.

this man really using the term 'endgame' for a round based horizontal-them-up

[imsxz]

I mean Power-Escalation wise and all that.

Xenobio still has one (Nerfed a chunk though, from gods to just robust)

Mining has one, Genetics, Even the Clown has one!

I honestly think the best security end-content would be a de-antagonizer machine built thanks to really expensive cargo profits, head of staff approval, and Antagonists in the prison system. Finally get those antags that have been dead since 30 minutes into the round back into the round, but on your side.

no security already has gear good enough to match everyone elses end game

just give them novelty stuff to work towards to treat their ADHD

[Pandarsenic]

I honestly think the best security end-content would be a de-antagonizer machine built thanks to really expensive cargo profits, head of staff approval, and Antagonists in the prison system. Finally get those antags that have been dead since 30 minutes into the round back into the round, but on your side.

It's called the Enhanced Interrogation Chamber, you get it from the BEPIS

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Yooo

I never bothered using this thing because I figured the "antagonists can do what they want" took priority over it. Does this actually remove remove antag status/require them to comply?

[MooCow12]

Yes, I`ve used the enhanced interrogation chamber and I think it even takes priority over cult / rev status since its considered brainwash, meaning its a much more useful version of mindshield that can turn cultists with cult powers against narsie.


Bonus points if you convert the cult leader and have them teleport the entire cult onto a max cap.




I think the order of priority is

Laws > Brainwash (But if you are brainwashed to believe something that would subvert laws like only x is human it would work) > heretic thrall > cult > rev > solo antag.




Keep in mind this does not outright remove antag status, the antag can still find loopholes in the wording of what they are brainwashed with, similar to a traitor with silicon laws.





And the price for a bepis chamber to unlock all tech drastically decreases as you upgrade it, you will only need about 1.5k to unlock every single tech with a fully upgraded bepis and its better to just spam the bare minimum you can pay at that point (100) since even if you do fail you will get other things like a can of spray on insuls (which can be used on 5 people)


Also the chance of winning tech doesnt really increase that much the more you pay in a single attempt, like paying 200 I think gives you equal chance of unlocking a tech as paying 100 twice.

[oranges]

no it doesn't

[Rohen_Tahir]

That's right we're gonna be talking about the penis.

[Pandarsenic]

no it doesn't

Er, is that "No, Enhanced Interrogation Chamber doesn't override antag" or "No, Security doesn't need an end-game?"

[IkeTG]

the security end game is everyone making it out safe and sound when the shuttle leaves

[MooCow12]

Well I can see why someone would argue security doesnt need an endgame.

Because if you think about it, security`s weapons and gadgets dont really fall off, they just get countered, forcing them to be dynamic with their arsenal.

Like in actuality, do stun batons really ever get outscaled in melee carbon vs carbon combat ? No because they have full melee armor piercing and high enough dps to even work well through stamina regen (which is usually via chem / has upkeep.) Stun batons are scarier than an armblade / desword

Then you have hulks which basically can be treated almost like a simple mob since they are usually strictly melee and slower than normal + cant be stunned. Ranged weapons counter them hard and security has an extensive arsenal of ranged weapons.

Vs mech? Ion gun

Vs high numbers of carbons? Flash bang (because in actuality unless mass hulking is taking place it is very difficult to make a large amount of people resistant to stun combat / flash bangs)

[MooCow12]

And usually security`s current endgame is killing a failed round start desword murderbone traitor and then going around the station greytiding with their claimed contraband acting like they are hot shit and that they own the place.

[sinfulbliss]

As cool as it would be to have more sec stuff, I don't think the nature of the role lends itself to an endgame. Security's endgame is having the 3 eswords and makarovs they looted from the antags they stop. By the time you "finish" your job as sec (i.e., eliminate all threats to the station), you don't even have a use for the gamergear you managed to win, because there's no one to use it on.

R&D will always be there to improve sec's weaponry, but as long as the current stun mechanics stay around, sec is in good shape without any progression.

[cacogen]

And usually security`s current endgame is killing a failed round start desword murderbone traitor and then going around the station greytiding with their claimed contraband acting like they are hot shit and that they own the place.

Exactly, security's endgame is trivialising antags with traitor gear

[Shadowflame909]

And usually security`s current endgame is killing a failed round start desword murderbone traitor and then going around the station greytiding with their claimed contraband acting like they are hot shit and that they own the place.

Exactly, security's endgame is trivialising antags with traitor gear

What if security could summon more antags to use their gamer gear on??

Holographically of course

[RaveRadbury]

C'mon shadowflame could you acknowledge that your initial desire in the OP is actually in the codebase rn before you move the goalposts?

[Rohen_Tahir]

And usually security`s current endgame is killing a failed round start desword murderbone traitor and then going around the station greytiding with their claimed contraband acting like they are hot shit and that they own the place.

Exactly, security's endgame is trivialising antags with traitor gear

What if security could summon more antags to use their gamer gear on??

Holographically of course

Just go to lavaland and punch everything into extinction.

[Shadowflame909]

C'mon shadowflame could you acknowledge that your initial desire in the OP is actually in the codebase rn before you move the goalposts?

Whichever coder made it is epic and deserves praise for it

If security has an epic "Get antag on your side (they keep the powers)" machine. Why do we not see it used more?

[sinfulbliss]

C'mon shadowflame could you acknowledge that your initial desire in the OP is actually in the codebase rn before you move the goalposts?

Whichever coder made it is epic and deserves praise for it

If security has an epic "Get antag on your side (they keep the powers)" machine. Why do we not see it used more?

I acknowledge this is the ultimate antag-removal device, but I have never built this once as HoS. In fact I could probably safely say I've never seen it on Sybil, and only on long Manuel rounds. I assume it's heavily timegated. Likely your time is better spent patrolling. The shifts that are quiet and slow enough to build an anti-antag machine, don't need the anti-antag machine. The shifts chaotic and hectic enough to need it will never find the time/peace to build it.

[Shadowflame909]

C'mon shadowflame could you acknowledge that your initial desire in the OP is actually in the codebase rn before you move the goalposts?

Whichever coder made it is epic and deserves praise for it

If security has an epic "Get antag on your side (they keep the powers)" machine. Why do we not see it used more?

I acknowledge this is the ultimate antag-removal device, but I have never built this once as HoS. In fact I could probably safely say I've never seen it on Sybil, and only on long Manuel rounds. I assume it's heavily timegated. Likely your time is better spent patrolling. The shifts that are quiet and slow enough to build an anti-antag machine, don't need the anti-antag machine. The shifts chaotic and hectic enough to need it will never find the time/peace to build it.

It's like being able to unlock the nuke codes through a puzzle at all corners of space

Yet the only round where you'd be able to use it without getting banned is one that won't last long enough for you to reach every corner of space. The ultimate useful yet useless item

[Rohen_Tahir]

C'mon shadowflame could you acknowledge that your initial desire in the OP is actually in the codebase rn before you move the goalposts?

Whichever coder made it is epic and deserves praise for it

If security has an epic "Get antag on your side (they keep the powers)" machine. Why do we not see it used more?

I acknowledge this is the ultimate antag-removal device, but I have never built this once as HoS. In fact I could probably safely say I've never seen it on Sybil, and only on long Manuel rounds. I assume it's heavily timegated. Likely your time is better spent patrolling. The shifts that are quiet and slow enough to build an anti-antag machine, don't need the anti-antag machine. The shifts chaotic and hectic enough to need it will never find the time/peace to build it.

You get it from BEPIS.

[Flatulent]

you don’t see it on sybil because sybil players suck
manuel players get higher time to achieve the cbt machine setup but sybilites have neither time nor intelligence advantage on them

[saprasam]

absolutely fucking not

[iksyp]

And usually security`s current endgame is killing a failed round start desword murderbone traitor and then going around the station greytiding with their claimed contraband acting like they are hot shit and that they own the place.

security's endgame is getting banned for doing their job because they used slightly too much force and got ahelped for it in a stressful situation, dunno where you got the rest of that from

[sinfulbliss]

And usually security`s current endgame is killing a failed round start desword murderbone traitor and then going around the station greytiding with their claimed contraband acting like they are hot shit and that they own the place.

security's endgame is getting banned for doing their job because they used slightly too much force and got ahelped for it in a stressful situation, dunno where you got the rest of that from

Antag ahelps should be automatically marked IC TBH

[MooCow12]

you don’t see it on sybil because sybil players suck
manuel players get higher time to achieve the cbt machine setup but sybilites have neither time nor intelligence advantage on them

Bro I`ve literally made one multiple times as a clown / chaplain / scientist on sybil

[John_Oxford]

could add gunsmithing

[TheFinalPotato]

How are you alive

[Bawhoppennn]

could add gunsmithing

you were the hero we needed but did not deserve