Should hornygranny remain as headmin?

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:31 pm #102271

Bottom post of the previous page:

You misunderstand, aranclanos is the one who votes for a huge ascii penis everytime. He's still just voting for hornygranny. :^)
But for real, Hornygranny is good and I voted yes for him to stay.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:54 pm #102272

>anyone can enter

yeah just like anyone can enter the presidential race doesn't mean you'll win.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:56 pm #102273

Either way, there was no expectation, encouragement or even opportunity for anyone other than a maintainer to enter the coder election.

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:22 pm #102309

Malkevin wrote:Me neither.

Not to mention you decided to have a separate list of nominations from the main one, which consisted of HG, an ascii dick, and an IRC bot.

This is the problem with the two non-player votes.
If someone wants to be a headmin, they should make their candidate thread like the others, if they cant be bothered to do that then they shouldnt be eligible.
Hopefully this time we will have just one unified list for the votes.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:26 pm #102310

Except that MSO said he was not giving a headmin slot to the coders next time around, so it will be a non issue. This thread is more about dealing with the remainder of HG's term

Incomptinence · Tue Jul 07, 2015 9:51 pm

A tempting idea: Replace the coder vote with candidate thunder dome fights may the most robust win.

ThatSlyFox · Post by **ThatSlyFox** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:00 pm #102388

Looks like I will be headmin every 6 months then.

QuartzCrystal · Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:53 am

It'd be great if HG like, I dunno, posted here or something?

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:05 pm #102612

That would involve him getting involved in server affairs.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:06 pm #102628

And why would he bother doing that when "separation between the code base and server is absolute. I am not reading dezzmont platitudes for the billionth time and I will not be checking back on this thread"

Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:32 pm

Wyzack wrote:And why would he bother doing that when "separation between the code base and server is absolute. I am not reading dezzmont platitudes for the billionth time and I will not be checking back on this thread"

This is about the server though.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:10 pm #102736

But its not just about the server though is it?
HG was the coderbus elected representative, it was you guys that put him where he is today - even after making the above statement,

Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:21 pm

Admin duties are server related

Code duties are not server related

Do I have to draw a chart?

Lovecraft · Post by **Lovecraft** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 1:10 am #102754

I'm usually quick to deflate how serious we treat sever politics here, but coming forth to talk about the situation in the thread would really be nice, HG.
At time of writing we're looking at nearly 3/4ths of the vote against someone.

QuartzCrystal · Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:25 pm

He posted in a singulo thread, but not here.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:33 pm #102855

Jesus Christ could post in singulo, does not mean its him.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:56 pm #102858

He was using a trip, the posts don't look like someone pretending to be HG

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:32 pm #102876

He's also been on the server more activily in the past couple of days. I feel like Quartz started all of this with a bias too as no one seems to be flipping their shit at thebiblemelts, stillchr, or any of the other inactive min. They aren't a headmin but eh. HG forever.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:27 pm #102911

No one gives a shit if an admin is away for a bit, but someone thats taken on a role where they're meant to be making a commitment to be around to make decisions? Completely different thing.

QuartzCrystal · Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:51 pm

As I alluded to already, HG has been logging more rounds but doesn't appear to actually be doing anything except chatting a bit then going AFK.

I mean like, at least post in this thread dude and address these concerns publicly.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:48 am #103087

Is this some kind of test to see how far the train will go until something happens?

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:23 am #103345

Why even have terms if we can just vote to kick someone out? It's not like he's being hitler, what's the rush?

If MSO is not giving the coders the privilege of electing someone, this is likely HG's last time as headmin. It will all be over soon.

Tsaricide · Post by **Tsaricide** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:26 am #103346

Scott wrote:Why even have terms if we can just vote to kick someone out? It's not like he's being hitler, what's the rush?

Yeah good idea, this should be more like survivor instead of having terms you just get voted off the island.

ColonicAcid · Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:08 am

MisterPerson wrote:Admin duties are server related

Code duties are not server related

Do I have to draw a chart?

Yes.

I tried to draw one but sadly they both were the same circle

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:17 am #103611

Code duties and Admin duties both affect the server, full stop.

Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:22 pm

That doesn't mean they're related.

A car dealership and manufacturer are both involved in giving you a car, but you don't yell at the dealership if the car is defective or at the manufacturer if you got overcharged. Just like you don't yell at coders for getting banned, you can't yell at admins if the game has bugs. HG could be a shitty coder and a great admin, great coder and a shitty admin, shitty at both, or even great at both. They're independent factors. Trying to use this thread to soapbox how much you dislike him as a headcoder is completely pointless because this thread should be about how much you like or dislike him as a headmin. That would be like a DA running for mayor and the opposition runs attack ads claiming that the DA's low prosecution rate means that he'll be a shitty mayor if elected. There's no correlation there.

Having said that, it is completely fair to point at HGs inactivity as a headcoder and say "well that bodes poorly on his work ethic".

Jeb · Post by **Jeb** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:24 pm #103749

Wasn't/Isn't one of the "requirements" for adminship that you should be at least somewhat remotely moderately active on the forums? If so, why hasn't HG so much as responded to this thread at all?

That should just about speak for itself.

--Edit

FWIW: His last actual post, doing admin duties on the forums was June 5th. Only post after that was "lol tedward removed from admins.txt for inactivity"

Hornygranny · Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:33 am

Jeb wrote:Wasn't/Isn't one of the "requirements" for adminship that you should be at least somewhat remotely moderately active on the forums?

no

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:53 am #103829

What a cunt.

What? we were all thinking it.

DemonFiren · Post by **DemonFiren** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:26 am #103872

Yes, we are, but most of us have the decency not to say it.

...although it's highly unlikely he'll come back here and read our justified opinions.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:38 am #103880

Meh, I'd be sorry if he didn't reply to two pages with a one word answer to a disconnected point.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

I personally think headmins should be more active in the community than regular admins, since they're the dorks that vote on all the important shit, especially now that the Host is beneath them rather than above.

QuartzCrystal · Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:31 pm

Hornygranny wrote:
Jeb wrote:Wasn't/Isn't one of the "requirements" for adminship that you should be at least somewhat remotely moderately active on the forums?
no

Seriously dude? This is all you're going to say?

You said more in the singulo thread that voted you the worst admin.

Tsaricide · Post by **Tsaricide** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:27 pm #103966

What is he supposed to say?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:50 pm #103971

Tsaricide wrote:What is he supposed to say?

A response as to his inactivity would be nice.

Overall I do think that head admins should present a front of activity, if not then what's the point of being a head admin if your just going to pop in on the rare occasion and reply to a disconnected post.

It shows that HG does not take the job seriously. What's the point of being one of the head administrators of a community that you yourself don't seem to want to be involved in?

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:50 pm #103972

"You're right - I quit, Kor is my replacement"

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:24 pm #103998

Hell, I don't even like cheridan but he's an active maintainer, if he wanted to keep it in house with the coders for the remainder of the term then he should toss it to him

I'm not super aware of the inhouse politiks of the coders, but still, pick an active maintainer or coder if you wanna keep it in coderbus, or just move the position to someone qualified, preferably STP or Kor to solve that dilema

Why can't we just eat the cake if we have it? whoever said that is retarded, If I have a cake, I see no good reason not to eat it.

QuartzCrystal · Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:30 pm

Tsaricide wrote:What is he supposed to say?

Literally anything in response to the fact that 70% of the people who voted in this poll want him removed.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:04 pm #104018

Falamazeer wrote:Hell, I don't even like cheridan but he's an active maintainer, if he wanted to keep it in house with the coders for the remainder of the term then he should toss it to him

I'm not super aware of the inhouse politiks of the coders, but still, pick an active maintainer or coder if you wanna keep it in coderbus, or just move the position to someone qualified, preferably STP or Kor to solve that dilema

Why can't we just eat the cake if we have it? whoever said that is retarded, If I have a cake, I see no good reason not to eat it.

I don't even thing HG is a head coder anymore, he was removed due to inactivity.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:31 pm #104029

Okie dokie then, why is it ok for that, but we're not doing it for this?
What the fuck is this? Just drama for dramas sake?

Big glaring hole in the headmin position, and nothing gets done about it.
What's the logic? why isn't this being addressed at all?

duncathan · Post by **duncathan** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:14 pm #104041

It was simple to get him removed from his headcoder position because he and Cheridan set an explicit minimum expectation of activity to keep that role. HG didn't meet that quota, so he was removed. Personally I think that this was a fantastic policy, and this headmin term has shown that we may need to find some metric of activity to hold the headmins to.

onleavedontatme · Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:09 am

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=4163

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:45 pm #104919

If anybody was wondering, outside of a short period for a declared inactivity period, they have been active enough to meet requirements lately.

They were active in the headmin channel often enough, even if it was when none of the other two headmins were online, and they have more connections in the last 30 days then I do.

QuartzCrystal · Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:52 pm

MrStonedOne wrote:If anybody was wondering, outside of a short period for a declared inactivity period, they have been active enough to meet requirements lately.

They were active in the headmin channel often enough, even if it was when none of the other two headmins were online, and they have more connections in the last 30 days then I do.

The issue is that, as I pointed out, some of those connections are literally him logging in and then going AFK.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:38 pm #104944

If you're not active enough to notice his inactivity, why are you making the call?
He answered my Ahelp yesterday, but I'm active enough to recognize it for what it is, a temporary burst to avoid this issue before fucking off again

See you guys in three weeks when this gets brought up again I guess.

Incomptinence · Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:42 pm

If you are convinced he is the prodigal son and is full of great admin happy times still slap a "rarely plays" on his forum account to motivate him.

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:40 am #105014

He has 60 connections over the last 30 days. (sticky has 100 for reference)

2 rounds a day avg is hardly rarely plays.

But in game presence is just one number, and a less important number for headmins

He was also in active discussion in the headmin channel at least 4 days out out the week the past few weeks.

Tsaricide · Post by **Tsaricide** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:08 am #105018

But you're counting all the times he just sits in the lobby afk right?

iamgoofball · Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:44 am

can we make 8===D the head admin yet
71% of players want it

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 1:25 pm #105071

No goofball, you can''t be headmin. :^)

QuartzCrystal · Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:35 pm

Well I'm sure glad this issue is settled then...