Should hornygranny remain as headmin?

QuartzCrystal · Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:25 pm

This is not an official poll but rather I am throwing this up here to make a cursory survey of how our community feels. (much like the poll that I made about public logs)

Simple yes or no. If you wish to abstain, simply do not vote.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:29 pm #101373

From a admin's perspective, and from admins logs and whatever users cannot see, how active has Hornygranny been this past week?

Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:30 pm

Uhh... can you enable revoting please?

QuartzCrystal · Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:31 pm

Steelpoint wrote:From a admin's perspective, and from admins logs and whatever users cannot see, how active has Hornygranny been this past week?

I'll leave this to be answered by other admins as I don't want to make this poll appear more biased than it probably looks already.

MisterPerson wrote:Uhh... can you enable revoting please?

Revoting enabled.

Kelenius · Post by **Kelenius** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:44 pm #101388

HG is literally everything that is right with /tg/.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:09 pm #101414

Kelenius wrote:HG is literally everything that is right with /tg/.

Which means nothing IF HE'S NOT HERE.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:20 pm #101418

HG just got back from vacation.

onleavedontatme · Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:58 pm

Ikarrus wrote:HG just got back from vacation.

It's ironic that the trigger for this poll about HG's inactivity was in fact triggered by him being active in a way that Quartz disliked.

I mean obviously the situation isnt great and HG readily admits that it's just the timing of this is amusing.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:03 pm #101435

If we don't need HG here for shit to not fall apart, then why are we bitching about him not being here?

There's no good reason to vote him out. It's not like you're ever gonna find a better replacement.

ThanatosRa · Post by **ThanatosRa** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:31 pm #101443

As such, If he is indeed back, my vote is changed. Welcome back, HG, I hope you had a good time.

DrunkenMatey · Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:01 pm

There is no real information in this thread biased or otherwise. Pretty hard to vote without any information... or at least it is for me.

newfren · Post by **newfren** » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:09 pm #101462

Hg was the coder/head vote, so I don't see why a public would even be relevant.

duncathan · Post by **duncathan** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:39 am #101515

Personally, I'd be fine with HG being deheadmin'd, with Kor taking his place once STP comes back from vacation.

Post by **Vekter** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:49 am #101528

Christ, can we not do this? He's been on vacation for the last week, yeah, he's not very active, but a thread like this just feels like we're trying to toss him under the bus.

Post by **oranges** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:05 am #101553

Funnily enough Vekter a position of power tends to come with responsibilities that if you fail to meet will lead to punishments as an incentive to improve.

420weedscopes · Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:53 pm

take it easy oranges he was on vacation

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:20 pm #101590

I am fairly certain his inactivity has been going on for much longer than a week. On the other hand like it was said earlier his forum activity is certainly not indicative of his game activity or amount of adminning he does, and we do not have access to that information

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:42 pm #101592

I went through the public logs and found that the last time hornygranny has logged into the game was on the 7th of June, that being twenty-six (26) days ago, from the logs he did some admin training, set someone on fire to kill them, and milled around.

So essentially HG has been off for a month.

Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:38 pm

If active, yes, if not, no.

420weedscopes · Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:47 pm

Steelpoint wrote:7th of June

i saw him on sybil yesterday though????

AnonymousNow · Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:23 pm

There have been concerns, and not just recent ones.

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:28 pm #101663

I love you, poll.

From what I've seen all HG does is either nothing, or he riles up the playerbase with deliberately unpopular self-serving decisions. He doesn't deserve the position. He brings nothing to the table, and doesn't improve the server.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:27 pm #101681

Steelpoint wrote:I went through the public logs and found that the last time hornygranny has logged into the game was on the 7th of June, that being twenty-six (26) days ago, from the logs he did some admin training, set someone on fire to kill them, and milled around.

So essentially HG has been off for a month.

Obviously you are terrible at log reading because hornygranny has been active june 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 18 and July 1, 3
Which is exactly the same amount if not more than Tedward. don't play double standards here people.

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:31 pm #101683

NikNakFlak wrote:
Steelpoint wrote:I went through the public logs and found that the last time hornygranny has logged into the game was on the 7th of June, that being twenty-six (26) days ago, from the logs he did some admin training, set someone on fire to kill them, and milled around.

So essentially HG has been off for a month.
Obviously you are terrible at log reading because hornygranny has been active june 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 18 and July 1, 3
Which is exactly the same amount if not more than Tedward. don't play double standards here people.

Yeah, but for how long was he online for? I wouldn't put it past him to just log in for an hour or so on these dates and even idle just to appear active.

Someone should code something that accurately measures time spent in game, excluding time spent AFK.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:34 pm #101685

I'll check on hornygranny specifically but that's one of the reason Tedward was almost deadminned, because even though he was active on some dates, he logged in and logged out really.

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am

NikNakFlak wrote:I'll check on hornygranny specifically but that's one of the reason Tedward was almost deadminned, because even though he was active on some dates, he logged in and logged out really.

Ted wasnt 'almost deadminned' really though, the headmins just decided he'd failed to make the cut for a promotion

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:27 pm #101695

I've heard conflicting stories, and he is still on the .txt as of now.

Post by **Vekter** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:41 am #101709

Ted was still admin as of this morning.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:05 am #101739

I just searched for any reference to the name Hornygranny in the logs, nothing came up for me thigh that may be due to the public logs not being as complete as normal logs.

ThatSlyFox · Post by **ThatSlyFox** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:26 am #101766

HG has been a problem for a long time now, let's not act like this is a recent issue by bringing up his vacation. HG should have been taken care of a long time ago.

If anyone has log dived, I imagine what he was doing when he actually logged in on the server since his vacation ended? Too lazy to do it myself.

ColonicAcid · Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:35 am

Someone for the love of god get up connection logs. We must finish off this masterpiece with even more irony.
HG's headminship will be killed by his own meme, the connection log meme.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:17 am #101782

NikNakFlak wrote:
Obviously you are terrible at log reading because hornygranny has been active june 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 18 and July 1, 3
Which is exactly the same amount if not more than Tedward. don't play double standards here people.

I should apologise in that I went back to check and it seems for some reason my word search failed to see these missing dats, even though those are still very big gaps in between days for a head administrator.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:58 pm #101862

Lets not beat around the bush.

He was largely inactive with an0n3 and ikky, I said he would just as (in)active when coderbus inevitably re-elected him, unsurprisingly I was right again.

QuartzCrystal · Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:35 pm

It's been long enough I feel I can post now.

I've gotten 5 total complaints from players (who will remain unnamed) asking for me to look into HG being removed. I told all five of them that HG was aware of the issue and would be more active, this was months ago. HG hasn't given a ban since February and, funnily enough, the day I made this thread HG logged onto Sybil and promptly went AFK. This issue has been going on for a long time and frankly if we're going to remove trialmins for being inactive, we shouldn't be holding them to a higher activity standard than our headmins. I do believe ted logged in more often than HG for the entirety of his demotion period up until when HG posted that he was to be removed.

Let's also not forget that MSO, as host, has announced that he will not be giving his headmin pick to the coders again. He hasn't specified why but I think we all know it's because he fully recognizes that HG is a crappy headmin and we shouldn't repeat this shit. I like HG, and I thought he was great when he was active, but this has been ridiculous for a long time and he really ought to step down.

EDIT: Also for those who keep citing him being on vacation, the dude hasn't even been active enough to post that he would be on vacation to our "Leave of Absence" thread on the admin forum.

Post by **Jordie0608** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:24 pm #102065

QuartzCrystal wrote:EDIT: Also for those who keep citing him being on vacation, the dude hasn't even been active enough to post that he would be on vacation to our "Leave of Absence" thread on the admin forum.

He did in advance.

QuartzCrystal · Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:28 pm

Jordie0608 wrote:
QuartzCrystal wrote:EDIT: Also for those who keep citing him being on vacation, the dude hasn't even been active enough to post that he would be on vacation to our "Leave of Absence" thread on the admin forum.
He did in advance.

True, but Kor's reply to that hits the nail on the head.

EDIT: For the curious

Kor wrote:
Hornygranny wrote:I'm on vacation from the 20th to the 1st.
What's the difference?

onleavedontatme · Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:33 pm

QuartzCrystal wrote:and frankly if we're going to remove trialmins for being inactive, we shouldn't be holding them to a higher activity standard than our headmins.

We absolutely should. Someone who is trying to prove they know how to admin/someone who is on probation and showing they can play nice should be required to be more active than someone who declared they were going to be on vacation.

For example, it'd be completely ridiculous to demand we change hosts if MSO didnt log in for a month (while keeping up all his hosting duties) because we didnt promote a trialmin when they answered a whopping one adminhelp in ~20 days.

Now obviously it's a problem with HG because he hasnt been around regularly for ~4 months and it can take a while for him to vote on things but that's an entirely separate issue from the number of connections he has.

"If admins ever take a break ever they must be fired if we're going to expect trial admins to be active" is a horrible and nonsensical precedent.

onleavedontatme · Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:43 pm

Or, to phrase it another, shorter way:

What the hell else do you suggest we do with a trial admin who doesn't admin during the specific time period meant to evaluate them? Promote them?

Argue for HGs removal based on him (not) doing his job, not based on him (not) doing a trial admins job.

QuartzCrystal · Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:56 pm

Kor wrote:Or, to phrase it another, shorter way:

What the hell else do you suggest we do with a trial admin who doesn't admin during the specific time period meant to evaluate them? Promote them?

Argue for HGs removal based on him (not) doing his job, not based on him (not) doing a trial admins job.

It's not based on this. It's based on his complete inactivity. As I pointed out, he hasn't dolled out a ban since February. When was the last time he answered an ahelp? Or look at his forum posting history, he's barely had any activity.

I'll point out that the 5 complaints were long before his vacation and that was when I was assured (and then assured the players) that his activity would pick up again, it never did.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:32 pm #102099

A headmin's job isn't to ban people though, or directly answer admin helps.
They're meant to be the decision makers of the bigger picture, and the last port of call for getting a judgement on a dispute.

But, from what we've seen HG hasn't been fulfilling those duties either and its bogged down the other two headmins.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:37 am #102123

Can't beat a stalemate with only two voters. It's been killing forward process on literally everything. He didn't even take the time to nominate a replacement like STP did.

Incomptinence · Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:09 am

Coder's just don't have a large enough pool of interested people. He has been a solo contender twice and now even he is burnt out.

Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:19 am

Anyone was more than capable of running. Nobody even stepped up to try.

And by anyone I really do mean anyone. Nowhere was it stated you had to be a coder to be elected.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:22 am #102205

The whole coder vote was not really well explained, it seemed to be implied the vote was open only to headcoders, and eventually people just went with the idea of the codervote being the HG vote.

Not-Dorsidarf · Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:26 am

Steelpoint wrote:The whole coder vote was not really well explained, it seemed to be implied the vote was open only to headcoders, and eventually people just went with the idea of the codervote being the HG vote.

I wasn't aware that the codervote which took place in a locked-to-maintainers PR thread was open to anyone else either.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:43 am #102213

Me neither.

Not to mention you decided to have a separate list of nominations from the main one, which consisted of HG, an ascii dick, and an IRC bot.

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:47 pm #102259

Malkevin wrote:Me neither.

Not to mention you decided to have a separate list of nominations from the main one, which consisted of HG, an ascii dick, and an IRC bot.

Is that true or an exaggeration to make your point?

Either way, you have ruined my dress shirt, because I snorted while eating and am now covered in macaroni and cheese.
I hope you're proud of yourself.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:52 pm #102262

I remember reading about it somewhere, I think the ASCII pens actually got a bunch of votes

Falamazeer · Post by **Falamazeer** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:05 pm #102264

That's the most hilariously sad thing I've heard about this.

Also, he doesn't even care enough to respond to a thread where 72% of people say to ditch em.
I don't care how long his vacation is or isn't, he's not a good headmin even when he was active.

And the vacation defense doesn't fly, we all know what we're talking about here and feigning ignorance of a well established absence doesn't work.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:31 pm #102271

You misunderstand, aranclanos is the one who votes for a huge ascii penis everytime. He's still just voting for hornygranny. :^)
But for real, Hornygranny is good and I voted yes for him to stay.