/tg/Station 13

I'm looking for strategies. Sometimes an AI is clearly rogue but not the only problem in the station, so it's up to a few people to take it down.

I normally find I grab an EVA suit and tools (and a laser gun) easily enough, and it's not tricky to get to the core, but I find myself coming unstuck on the turrets (and also securing gloves in time). I'm typically playing security, but I'm looking for pretty much any strategy that can be done quickly, and advice on how to get the gear that strategy requires quickly. I'm assuming the AI at this point has shocked a few doors and screwed up the atmos of a few more.

How do you get past the turrets in the AI core to kill the AI? What are some good strategies?

An RCD will get you in from the satellite, and you can wall off turrets. Without one, go from space and deconstruct the r-walls, try and laser it from there.

The engineering vendors have RCDs, as does any autolathe - and a laser gun might be harder to get. If metal foam ever gets fixed, that's an easy way to block off turrets.

A alternative way is to hack around back and get the AI from behind, if you have a laser all you have to do is decon the SMES and shoot it.

Break the glass between the sec lockers and the armory and take the sec hardsuit and laser yourself if you don't have access/access to someone who can access it for you. Ignore doors and while it takes longer, cut through the walls on the way in from the south.
One rglass in space, break down the computer then the first smes, two rwalls then the other smes and you have line of sight on the AI and fuckall he can do to counter you, No gloves no worries.

It's not quick, but it is dirty and hard to counter, It's a decent move if you cannot acquire gloves.

In through the back is really good and the AI can't do much to fuck with you

Yeah if you're in the SMES room you have a clean shot onto the core, and it cant do shit.

Telescience onto the core, hand Tele back to science and beat it to death with whatever you choose.

Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. I have a couple of follow up questions.

First off, what if the AI has made a hull breach at its core? I had this problem last time I tried: the second SMES was immediately sucked in, and as far as I know you can't shoot through half-built machines.

Second, how many shots will it take to kill an AI with a laser?

first: if you broke in through space on the southern end a hull breach won't matter, pressure will be equal but you can weld the vents/scrubber if you want, then even if there is no breech in the core the air will be pushing out, not in.

Second: took me seven hits to my recollection.

Edit Also, it should be noted this is just how to get past the turrets with no gloves or access of any kind, You still have to deal with the securitron and/or borgs with traditional methods.

Gibonite

Having backpack arsenal and just rampaging your way in

don't be dumb and talk about doing it over the radio, in fact don't even voice your suspicions over the radio, you want the element of surprise, never give that advantage away, talk to people face to face

prep quietly

suit sensors off, ID off so you come up as unknown, in case the AI is tracking security/heads of staff/known threats, stick to maint if you can, you want the AI to forget about you

kill the borgs. If you're soft and want to lock them down, at least screwdriver the console after you're done

get people to break cameras it's easy now just hit them

the core itself is pretty weak without borgs/a third party helping the AI. There are multiple ways to breach it really, it all comes down to knowing how to grab the needed items/allies/preparation for your strat quickly and safely.

get a RPD or RCD. Hack or delete satelite doors, spam disposal bins so the turrets are blocked, walk in and toolbox the AI.

Keep in mind you can spy on borgs with security camera consoles in case you suspect them of doing something shifty. Don't do that without suspicion though or metagaming BWOINK!

Malf AIs technically have a power to disable RCDs. Fortunately, no one ever uses it.

To kill an AI LIKE A MAN, you can use a BoH singulo, however this has a high chance of getting you banned and/or ded

bandit wrote:Keep in mind you can spy on borgs with security camera consoles in case you suspect them of doing something shifty. Don't do that without suspicion though or metagaming BWOINK!

Malf AIs technically have a power to disable RCDs. Fortunately, no one ever uses it.

To kill an AI LIKE A MAN, you can use a BoH singulo, however this has a high chance of getting you banned and/or ded

Bullshit, I watch borg camera's whenever I damn well please.

provided there are no borgs,
1. get EVA gear (and magboots if you can in case of space wind and AI's slippery foam things, sunglasses can also be helpful because of mounted flashes)
2. get 2 metal sheets
3. get any half decent melee weapon (fire axe is probably the best bet, followed by surgical saw/null rod, followed by fire extinguisher/toolbox, followed by metal rod)
3. get full toolbelt (and insulated gloves because the AI is 99% likely to shock the doors)
4. fly down to the AI satellite and hack and bolt open airlocks, make sure to cut AI control wire
5. use metal sheets to make a locker
6. drag locker behind you and run up to turret, then jump in the locker before it shoots
7. when the turret gives up and goes back into its shell, pop out and hit it about 3 times then get back into your locker
8. repeat step 7 until all turrets in range are dead
9. kill AI with whatever brute weapon you killed turrets with

if there ARE borgs, you're kind of SOL no matter what you do unless you bring your 3 most robust friends and you all have some method of stunning borgs (pro tip: get the EMP grenade from the derelict for maximum powergame)

Honestly sometimes I find ghettoing up some bombs from toxins and throwing them at the AI core isn't a half-bad way of killing it. The main upside is that most AI's are too concerned with killing people and defending the core that the longer-term threats easily fall off their radar.

You only need two bombs to kill it, and I think you can even luck out with just one? I think a 5/10/20 has a good chance of popping the core APC through the two r-walls.

If you're invading the satellite, they'll spend as long as they can fighting the invaders to rack up kills, and this is a prime opportunity to suicide bomb an AI because they'll rarely shunt, even if you're just a regular old scientist.

How to kill a rogue AI.
Assemble ~10 bored assistants with nothing to lose. Then, you either win and become heroes or you die in a hail of laser fire and eardrum shattering pingsky swearing.

The best way to kill a rogue AI is have the majority of people try to reset the AI and have a small group of engineers break in with the captain from the bottom it will work if no comms communication

Get one laser
Get a hand tele

Use the no target teleport repeatedly until you teleport onto or by the core.
Even if you can be hit by a turret or 2, you should be able to YOLO the AI before dying/teleporting out.

ability for rogue ais to lip read when?????

I have had success using metal foam grenades to block up the core and then tunneling through

lumipharon wrote:Get one laser
Get a hand tele

Use the no target teleport repeatedly until you teleport onto or by the core.
Even if you can be hit by a turret or 2, you should be able to YOLO the AI before dying/teleporting out.

Grab an RPD too, and you'll get away laughing.

invisty wrote:

lumipharon wrote:Get one laser
Get a hand tele

Use the no target teleport repeatedly until you teleport onto or by the core.
Even if you can be hit by a turret or 2, you should be able to YOLO the AI before dying/teleporting out.

Grab an RPD too, and you'll get away laughing.

The pipe thing? What's the point of that?

Step one: get a RCD, magboots, and suit, or in other words loot EVA.
Step two: walk in the general direction of the AI, ignoring everything it does as you shit out walls and remove doors.
Step three: sit in front of the AI, reading WGW to it until it suicides.

Cheimon wrote:The pipe thing? What's the point of that?

They let you spam chutes and bins which block lasers from the turrets. If you have one of these, all you need to kill the AI is a toolbox to open doors.

invisty wrote:

Cheimon wrote:The pipe thing? What's the point of that?

They let you spam chutes and bins which block lasers from the turrets. If you have one of these, all you need to kill the AI is a toolbox to open doors.

you will still get fucked by pingsky

whodaloo wrote:

invisty wrote:

Cheimon wrote:The pipe thing? What's the point of that?

They let you spam chutes and bins which block lasers from the turrets. If you have one of these, all you need to kill the AI is a toolbox to open doors.

you will still get fucked by pingsky

Can we get a little sidetracked with good ways to address the pingsky problem without a laser gun? or a partner? and for that matter a partner isn't much help either, we both just ended up ziptied and fucked. though that might have been our failure. so a two parter, how to do it solo with no laser, and as a team with no laser.

2 people is easy mode

Someone acts as bait, other person applies extinguisher

Solo is throw floortiles 5evr or use an actual ranged weapon

Don't underestimate securitrons.

One time a borg had brough beepsky and put both of them in the teleporter room.

About 6 of us (mainly sec, all with guns) stormed through the teleporter, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US got utterly cucked by the securitron tag team before we could fire a shot.
Then the borg strolled in and murdered us all.

yeah, securitrons are powerful as shit, especially since people dont actually look at them.
they'll just be murderboning in the halls when suddenly *BZZT* I AM THE LAW

Securitrons easily get stuck and have horrible pathing. They can be defeated by a few glass panes.
Pretty sure they also need LoS - just like the turrets. Which brings up another overlooked tactic vs AIs: smoke bombs or tear gas.

Each miner can just chip in and bring a pretty devastating 0-1 reaction gibtonite right to the satellite. They also have space suits and operate almost entirely outside the AI's zone of influence. Just carefully scoot around the edge of the station for your part in AI sat open season.

If you've already managed to get past the turrets in the antechamber: bring a stack of metal and juggle lockers inside the core. They can block turret fire, and let you build a safe path from the upper airlock down to the AI core. Cut through the wall there, say the cool oneliner you prepared while shuffling lockers around, and proceed to beat it to shit. Alternatively you can also juggle unanchored girders, but they're a bit less forgiving because you can't open them if you lock yourself in.

Build another AI and tell it to turn off the rogue AIs APC or whatever because it is causing human harm.

EZ

Get a RPD, use it to make a pipe into the AI core with a trunk on the outside bit, toss a bomb in.

De-sync/Build a de-synced borg. Tell it, "Borg, the AI is harming. Law 1, terminate it" and laugh as it literally walks past the AI's defences and welds it to death.
Source: ThisHappensTooOftenForMe

callanrockslol wrote:Get a RPD, use it to make a pipe into the AI core with a trunk on the outside bit, toss a bomb in.

holy fuck that's genius

PKPenguin321 wrote:

callanrockslol wrote:Get a RPD, use it to make a pipe into the AI core with a trunk on the outside bit, toss a bomb in.

holy fuck that's genius

Last time I saw someone try that, someone bumped him into the chute and he became full of crispy holes.
Still a good idea.

if you are in a position to lay the pipes necessary for that, can't you just toss the bomb in?

CPTANT wrote:if you are in a position to lay the pipes necessary for that, can't you just toss the bomb in?

You can place the pipe on the wall without removing the wall.
good for all sorts of tricks.

Falamazeer wrote:

CPTANT wrote:if you are in a position to lay the pipes necessary for that, can't you just toss the bomb in?

You can place the pipe on the wall without removing the wall.
good for all sorts of tricks.

Well that changes some things, how do you wrench and weld it?

Using a wrench and welder, click the pipe.

That sounds like an exploit to me, you probably should not be using it.

Gun Hog wrote:That sounds like an exploit to me, you probably should not be using it.

Actually thats part of the reason the RPD was ported, so you didn't have to decon an rwall because the shockwave from a bomb on a different server didn't waft over the internet and bust a pipe under it.

callanrockslol wrote:Get a RPD, use it to make a pipe into the AI core with a trunk on the outside bit, toss a bomb in.

I saw this once, not sure how he got the pipe to launch me inside when one of the R_walls was still up.

Edit: Nevermind, someone explained it.

Gun Hog wrote:That sounds like an exploit to me, you probably should not be using it.

not really, pipes can be placed and can travel through walls, and this is very intentional otherwise a lot of areas in the disposals network wouldnt work
aside from being able to go into the captains office/AI core with it, you can also use it to make ordinary disposal chutes into a hidden entrance to your secret syndicate lair

With FASTMOS and TURBO space wind, breaking in from the south isn't as good as it used to be. If the AI fucks with the air alarms and/or has a borg, it gets even more rage inducing.

I saw someone bust in through south maint, make a bunch of floor tiles and throw them at the AI until it died.

If you saw it in the rev round, it might have been me. This is how I usually kill AI - bust in from south, deconstrust the reinforced walls, then throw floor tiles at the core, while laughing at the turrets inability to reach me. Dirty, easy, almost fool-proof, unless AI has competent borgs. It never does.

If you're feeling especially cocky, you can wall off the turrets (or use the closet trick) and get close and personal with AI. More satisfying that way.