Github Adopts Open Code of Conduct

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:48 pm #109325

https://github.com/blog/2039-adopting-t ... of-conduct

http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/

presented without comment

onleavedontatme · Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:53 pm

EDIT: I misread I thought it was terms of use for the site not just their projects.

When are we adopting this code of conduct?

Post by **Vekter** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:54 pm #109328

Does anyone in tg do any of this shit? Fuck no. Doesn't affect us.

peoplearestrange · Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:05 pm

Kor wrote: When are we adopting this code of conduct?

yeah be nice to even see this in the forum/server rules heh

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:26 pm #109337

Kor wrote:EDIT: I misread I thought it was terms of use for the site not just their projects.

A popular Webm converter tool's repo was recently banned, ostensibly because the description was "WebM for Retards". If this code of conduct is intended exclusively for their own projects, then that's their business. But the evidence doesn't indicate that is the case.

Post by **Jacquerel** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:31 pm #109338

As you don't advertise your server as a haven for racists it shouldn't be much of a problem, although lord knows the brain damage wordlist could do with some trimming.

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:05 pm #109342

Don't worry, I'm working on it:

https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeof ... rStonedOne

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:39 pm #109352

Who cares? I'm not sure if I'm more annoyed with hypersensitive tumblrites or the even more sensitive "ESJAYDOUBLEOOS OPRESSING ME" people.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:04 pm #109355

if people are really that worried about the spessmens repo being affected, an A+ way to ensure that it never comes to github's attention is to make 20 PRs in a row in the open code of conduct group, under your actual username

christ, it's like no one has any common sense

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:57 pm #109373

bandit wrote:if people are really that worried about the spessmens repo being affected, an A+ way to ensure that it never comes to github's attention is to make 20 PRs in a row in the open code of conduct group, under your actual username

christ, it's like no one has any common sense

Err, yeah. I'm not fond of this code of conduct but opening 20 protest PRs probably is not the wisest course of action.
Especially when he tried the same thing on the /tg/station repo I had him banned myself. :V

Thankfully the situation seems to have cooled down a bit.
Please don't do stupid things, guys.

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:12 pm #109375

bandit wrote:if people are really that worried about the spessmens repo being affected, an A+ way to ensure that it never comes to github's attention is to make 20 PRs in a row in the open code of conduct group, under your actual username

christ, it's like no one has any common sense

You shut my pr or issue report down without allowing discussion, I open a new one. This is how I operate, I did it to tgstation (and got repo banned for a short while for it).

The best part is they can't block me without contacting github, and waiting 24 to 48 hours for a reply. If enough people abuse that fact, maybe, just maybe, they will fix that security hole.

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:56 pm #109386

@MrStonedOne Github is rolling out a beta for improvements to Organizations including better blocking tools, thankfully.

As for blocking you, considering this is for Github's own code of conduct, their Support guys are probably just down the hall... I expect that they don't want to ban anyone in regards to this because of the chance of it turning into a fullblown nerd war, but still. Just be careful.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:14 pm #109396

>hug emotes without consent are not allowed

We've done it, human race. We're so goddamn hugbox we've transcended hugboxes and become even more of a kicking rad place to be. What a time to be alive.

Post by **oranges** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:15 pm #109398

We don't have to be tied to github so I'm not particularly worried

Takeguru · Post by **Takeguru** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:06 pm #109424

This seems extremely silly

Also, fuck them, I love WebM for Retards

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:45 pm #109435

>open code of conduct

>restricts what you can do

lel newspeak

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:49 pm #109437

"Reverse racism" is a retarded concept. Racism is racism, regardless of the race of either party. If you think "reverse racism" is acceptable, you are a fucking bigot. It speaks volumes that SJWs have to redefine words to make their ideology make any coherent sense (no, racism is not "power plus privilege"). 1984 level shit.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:02 pm #109440

This is the dumbest shit I've seen in a while.
It's also, thankfully, the most pointless shit I've seen in a while.

Also I'm going to fall for the bait for a moment here because I feel like it.

‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’

Reverse racism and reverse sexism don't fucking exist:

If a white guy talks racial shit at a black guy, that's racism
If a black guy talks racial shit at a white guy, that's racism
If a black guy talks racial shit at a black guy, that's racism
If a white guy talks racial shit at a white guy, that's racism

Anyone can be racist or sexist to anyone else, hell you can even be racist or sexist against yourself if your self esteem is low enough.

The point is implying (or indeed in this case explicitly stating) that the race/sex/whatever of a person has some bearing on if something is in fact racist/sexist means that you're judging the merits of a person by their race/sex/whatever.

Does that sound familiar? Oh shit guess what: calling someone's statement "reverse-racist/reverse-sexist/reverse-whatever" is racist/sexist/whatever! Fucking twist ending!

All racism is racism, all sexism is sexism. It doesn't matter who's giving or receiving, the intent is all that matters.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:18 pm #109445

This is what happens when you give wogs and babymakers power.

Post by **lumipharon** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:23 pm #109449

Are these people fucking serious?

Cisphobia? Is this even a fucking thing? Jesus Christ it hurts to live.

Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:58 am

lumipharon wrote:Are these people fucking serious?

Cisphobia? Is this even a fucking thing? Jesus Christ it hurts to live.

I think cisphobia is a fancy word for "the desire for a genocide against heterosexual white males"
Why we even need to acknowledge this as a species is unsettling

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:08 am #109547

lumipharon wrote:Are these people fucking serious?

Cisphobia? Is this even a fucking thing? Jesus Christ it hurts to live.

'
learn to read, the first bullet point is basically "cisphobia is not a fucking thing and we're not going to read your shit complaints about it"

Luke Cox wrote:"Reverse racism" is a retarded concept. Racism is racism, regardless of the race of either party. If you think "reverse racism" is acceptable, you are a fucking bigot.

this is also literally what the first bullet point is saying

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:00 am #109566

the only points i really have a problem with are 1 and 3, the rest looks okay to me!!!!

bandit wrote:learn to read, the first bullet point is basically "cisphobia is not a fucking thing and we're not going to read your shit complaints about it"

uh i hate to break it to you but i think you need to take your own advice, because it's saying that complaints about cisphobia, reverse racism and reverse sexism will be ignored. i.e. these things are allowed

it ties in with "prioritising marginalised people's safety over privileged people's comfort"

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:12 am #109570

Amnestik wrote:the only points i really have a problem with are 1 and 3, the rest looks okay to me!!!!

bandit wrote:learn to read, the first bullet point is basically "cisphobia is not a fucking thing and we're not going to read your shit complaints about it"
uh i hate to break it to you but i think you need to take your own advice, because it's saying that complaints about cisphobia, reverse racism and reverse sexism will be ignored. i.e. these things are allowed

it ties in with "prioritising marginalised people's safety over privileged people's comfort"

no it doesn't, if it meant that then why would "reverse racism" or whatever be in scare quotes

callanrockslol · Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:36 am

Nobody cares go away

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:01 am #109629

Anyway, /vg/station has already moved off of Github and is now located at https://gitlab.com/vgstation/vgstation

Discussion of moving our own project code is still happening.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:09 am #109632

Stupid idea

Amnestik · Post by **Amnestik** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:11 am #109633

Cheridan wrote:Discussion of moving our own project code is still happening.

How reactionary and overzealous of you.

bandit wrote:
Amnestik wrote:the only points i really have a problem with are 1 and 3, the rest looks okay to me!!!!

bandit wrote:learn to read, the first bullet point is basically "cisphobia is not a fucking thing and we're not going to read your shit complaints about it"
uh i hate to break it to you but i think you need to take your own advice, because it's saying that complaints about cisphobia, reverse racism and reverse sexism will be ignored. i.e. these things are allowed

it ties in with "prioritising marginalised people's safety over privileged people's comfort"
no it doesn't, if it meant that then why would "reverse racism" or whatever be in scare quotes

Because they don't think it's an issue or wouldn't call it that themselves.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:13 am #109635

Remember: it's okay to be racist and sexist against straight white males because they run everything

Even though most of us don't

Cheridan · Post by **Cheridan** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:27 am #109640

Amnestik wrote:
Cheridan wrote:Discussion of moving our own project code is still happening.
How reactionary and overzealous of you.

That's a pretty sweet overzealous reactionary post. Does 'discussion' mean something different to you? So far, the discussion has been leaning towards "Don't", but I think that given this situation and the nature of this game we should at least have our options explored.

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:30 am #109641

It did not take long for this thread to go from discussing the code of conduct to arguing over whether cisphobia and reverse racism are real.

The main reason to adopt this policy is because Github does not consider cisphobia to be an institutionalized phenomenon. Cisgendered people do not have to deal with cisphobia on a daily basis and almost nobody is actually cisphobic. Nobody will murder you over being cisgendered. If someone on the internet is cisphobic toward you, they are more likely to be a troll than an actually cisphobic sjw. The same reasoning applies to "reverse" racism.

The other points are basically "stop whining over every person who disagrees with you".

Post by **oranges** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:32 am #109643

can i just clarify that this isn't github's code of conduct - it's been adopted for some open source projects github runs.

Github TOS is their sitewide service and conduct terms.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:36 am #109646

How can you say reverse racism doesn't exist when affirmative action does?

Post by **Jacquerel** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:04 pm #109670

because that isn't racist, presumably

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:56 pm #109676

oranges wrote:can i just clarify that this isn't github's code of conduct - it's been adopted for some open source projects github runs.

Github TOS is their sitewide service and conduct terms.

This -- people are making a fuck of a lot of a big deal about what is essentially nothing and unless people keep trolling the open source repo, will affect us exactly zero. Last bit directed to MSO in particular because come on, man.

feel free to call me a dirty librull

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:30 pm #109702

yeah don't move the repo over the fact that some github sponsored project on github has some idiotic CoC doc, if GITHUB makes this there CoC then maybe, but it's a huge pain the ass to move shop over something that literally doesn't affect us at all.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:28 pm #109765

>Pages and pages of muh feelings.

And I thought our github was bad.

Aloraydrel · Post by **Aloraydrel** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:15 pm #109780

Proper pronoun usage when?

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:21 pm #109781

bandit wrote:Last bit directed to MSO in particular because come on, man.

I'm not doing this because I think it affects us, I'm doing it because I am an Men's Rights Activist and reverse sexism does real.

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:23 pm #109782

Incoming wrote:yeah don't move the repo over the fact that some github sponsored project on github has some idiotic CoC doc, if GITHUB makes this there CoC then maybe, but it's a huge pain the ass to move shop over something that literally doesn't affect us at all.

This coincided with a repo getting blocked over the use of the word retard.

Webm for retards was blocked because github found the use of the term retard, to be offensive.

Everybody saw the new CoC and assumed the two were linked.

If people are moving, it's not because of the Code of Conduct, its because github is being retarded by blocking repos that use the word retard

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:21 pm #109805

I admit that that does sound rather developmentally challenged. In any case we aren't called retardstation13 (yet) and don't openly add features that make fun of other races/genders/sexual orientations/whatever. We also don't even talk about the kind of things that could run afoul of this even if it was "the law of the land". I don't know the race or sexual orientation of any other coder (and why the fuck should I?) and half the time I don't even remember what GENDER everyone is.

I mean really sucks for those webm guys, but we're pretty in the clear here. I don't know why you're getting bent up because a service we use has been making some questionable life choices lately. You think a decade with byond would desensitize one a bit.

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:37 pm #109809

MrStonedOne wrote:
bandit wrote:Last bit directed to MSO in particular because come on, man.
I'm not doing this because I think it affects us, I'm doing it because I am an Men's Rights Activist and reverse sexism does real.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:59 pm #109814

MrStonedOne wrote:
bandit wrote:Last bit directed to MSO in particular because come on, man.
I'm not doing this because I think it affects us, I'm doing it because I am an Men's Rights Activist and reverse sexism does real.

yeah but see

I personally think MRAism is a cancer but I can respect that you don't shove it on people in-game

doing shit that is likely to bring the tgstation repo to support's attention is shoving it on people in-game

Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:04 pm

It is not my job to care about others who want to play guilt by association. Otherwise I wouldn't be here because how much being associated with tgstation could affect me.

Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:08 pm

Incoming wrote:I admit that that does sound rather developmentally challenged. In any case we aren't called retardstation13 (yet) and don't openly add features that make fun of other races/genders/sexual orientations/whatever. We also don't even talk about the kind of things that could run afoul of this even if it was "the law of the land". I don't know the race or sexual orientation of any other coder (and why the fuck should I?) and half the time I don't even remember what GENDER everyone is.

I mean really sucks for those webm guys, but we're pretty in the clear here. I don't know why you're getting bent up because a service we use has been making some questionable life choices lately. You think a decade with byond would desensitize one a bit.

The TOS allows github to block any repo they find could cause offense, when that line drops to retarded levels (pun 100% intended) you have no way of knowing how they will perceive you.

Nobody could have predicted github blocking webm for retards. Nor will they be able to predict the next stupid line github draws.

Saying we shouldn't care because we don't cross the line is pointless when we have no fucking way of knowing where the line is, or where it will be.

This is the entire point.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:21 am #109850

yes but given the amount of repos on github it is stupid to expect that they'll apply it to everyone, as opposed to the ones that come to their attention

now what are some ways to come to github's attention

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:25 am #109851

>Nobody could have predicted github blocking webm for retards.
People who read the terms of service?

If says:

"We may, but have no obligation to, remove Content and Accounts containing Content that we determine in our sole discretion are unlawful, offensive, threatening, libelous, defamatory, pornographic, obscene or otherwise objectionable or violates any party's intellectual property or these Terms of Service."

Cik · Post by **Cik** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:39 am #109855

rdght91 wrote:>Nobody could have predicted github blocking webm for retards.
People who read the terms of service?

If says:

"We may, but have no obligation to, remove Content and Accounts containing Content that we determine in our sole discretion are unlawful, offensive, threatening, libelous, defamatory, pornographic, obscene or otherwise objectionable or violates any party's intellectual property or these Terms of Service."

>remove content or accounts containing content that we determine in our sole discretion are unlawful, offensive...

this means literally anything

i'm a trans-future lizardkin

please ban ss13 for it's poor treatment of my people

rdght91 · Post by **rdght91** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:33 am #109900

Using the word retard to mean developmentally disabled is accepted by most people as offensive. Not terribly offensive, and not that big of a deal, but it's reasonable to conclude that it's offensive. Outside of the most fucked up parts of tumblr no one would give a fuck about a trans-future lizardkin and their feelings. People do however care about the disabled. While I personally don't care, it's their right as a owner of the website to not allow offensive material. Tgstation code itself as far I as know is well within the bounds they currently set. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

Post by **Jacquerel** » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:09 am #109938

There's a reason that famous book series is called "x for dummies" and it is that no company is going to want that word (probably also fits under "obscene") seen to be endorsed by their company.
tgstation is neither high profile nor so transparently ugly, there is no danger and this is not a "when they came for x, I did nothing" situation.

Unless of course someone keeps pissing people off with mra bullshit until they try and start digging for dirt, depends how good GitHub are at keeping their tempers.