/tg/Station 13

https://github.com/blog/2039-adopting-t ... of-conduct

http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/



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EDIT: I misread I thought it was terms of use for the site not just their projects.

When are we adopting this code of conduct?

Does anyone in tg do any of this shit? Fuck no. Doesn't affect us.

Kor wrote: When are we adopting this code of conduct?

yeah be nice to even see this in the forum/server rules heh

Kor wrote:EDIT: I misread I thought it was terms of use for the site not just their projects.

A popular Webm converter tool's repo was recently banned, ostensibly because the description was "WebM for Retards". If this code of conduct is intended exclusively for their own projects, then that's their business. But the evidence doesn't indicate that is the case.

As you don't advertise your server as a haven for racists it shouldn't be much of a problem, although lord knows the brain damage wordlist could do with some trimming.

Don't worry, I'm working on it:

https://github.com/todogroup/opencodeof ... rStonedOne

Who cares? I'm not sure if I'm more annoyed with hypersensitive tumblrites or the even more sensitive "ESJAYDOUBLEOOS OPRESSING ME" people.

if people are really that worried about the spessmens repo being affected, an A+ way to ensure that it never comes to github's attention is to make 20 PRs in a row in the open code of conduct group, under your actual username

christ, it's like no one has any common sense

bandit wrote:if people are really that worried about the spessmens repo being affected, an A+ way to ensure that it never comes to github's attention is to make 20 PRs in a row in the open code of conduct group, under your actual username

christ, it's like no one has any common sense

Err, yeah. I'm not fond of this code of conduct but opening 20 protest PRs probably is not the wisest course of action.
Especially when he tried the same thing on the /tg/station repo I had him banned myself. :V

Thankfully the situation seems to have cooled down a bit.
Please don't do stupid things, guys.

bandit wrote:if people are really that worried about the spessmens repo being affected, an A+ way to ensure that it never comes to github's attention is to make 20 PRs in a row in the open code of conduct group, under your actual username

christ, it's like no one has any common sense

You shut my pr or issue report down without allowing discussion, I open a new one. This is how I operate, I did it to tgstation (and got repo banned for a short while for it).

The best part is they can't block me without contacting github, and waiting 24 to 48 hours for a reply. If enough people abuse that fact, maybe, just maybe, they will fix that security hole.

@MrStonedOne Github is rolling out a beta for improvements to Organizations including better blocking tools, thankfully.

As for blocking you, considering this is for Github's own code of conduct, their Support guys are probably just down the hall... I expect that they don't want to ban anyone in regards to this because of the chance of it turning into a fullblown nerd war, but still. Just be careful.

>hug emotes without consent are not allowed

We've done it, human race. We're so goddamn hugbox we've transcended hugboxes and become even more of a kicking rad place to be. What a time to be alive.

We don't have to be tied to github so I'm not particularly worried

This seems extremely silly

Also, fuck them, I love WebM for Retards

>open code of conduct

>restricts what you can do

lel newspeak

"Reverse racism" is a retarded concept. Racism is racism, regardless of the race of either party. If you think "reverse racism" is acceptable, you are a fucking bigot. It speaks volumes that SJWs have to redefine words to make their ideology make any coherent sense (no, racism is not "power plus privilege"). 1984 level shit.

This is the dumbest shit I've seen in a while.
It's also, thankfully, the most pointless shit I've seen in a while.

Also I'm going to fall for the bait for a moment here because I feel like it.

‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’

Reverse racism and reverse sexism don't fucking exist:

If a white guy talks racial shit at a black guy, that's racism
If a black guy talks racial shit at a white guy, that's racism
If a black guy talks racial shit at a black guy, that's racism
If a white guy talks racial shit at a white guy, that's racism

Anyone can be racist or sexist to anyone else, hell you can even be racist or sexist against yourself if your self esteem is low enough.

The point is implying (or indeed in this case explicitly stating) that the race/sex/whatever of a person has some bearing on if something is in fact racist/sexist means that you're judging the merits of a person by their race/sex/whatever.

Does that sound familiar? Oh shit guess what: calling someone's statement "reverse-racist/reverse-sexist/reverse-whatever" is racist/sexist/whatever! Fucking twist ending!

All racism is racism, all sexism is sexism. It doesn't matter who's giving or receiving, the intent is all that matters.

This is what happens when you give wogs and babymakers power.

Are these people fucking serious?

Cisphobia? Is this even a fucking thing? Jesus Christ it hurts to live.

lumipharon wrote:Are these people fucking serious?

Cisphobia? Is this even a fucking thing? Jesus Christ it hurts to live.

I think cisphobia is a fancy word for "the desire for a genocide against heterosexual white males"
Why we even need to acknowledge this as a species is unsettling

lumipharon wrote:Are these people fucking serious?

Cisphobia? Is this even a fucking thing? Jesus Christ it hurts to live.

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learn to read, the first bullet point is basically "cisphobia is not a fucking thing and we're not going to read your shit complaints about it"

Luke Cox wrote:"Reverse racism" is a retarded concept. Racism is racism, regardless of the race of either party. If you think "reverse racism" is acceptable, you are a fucking bigot.

this is also literally what the first bullet point is saying

the only points i really have a problem with are 1 and 3, the rest looks okay to me!!!!

bandit wrote:learn to read, the first bullet point is basically "cisphobia is not a fucking thing and we're not going to read your shit complaints about it"

uh i hate to break it to you but i think you need to take your own advice, because it's saying that complaints about cisphobia, reverse racism and reverse sexism will be ignored. i.e. these things are allowed

it ties in with "prioritising marginalised people's safety over privileged people's comfort"

Amnestik wrote:the only points i really have a problem with are 1 and 3, the rest looks okay to me!!!!

bandit wrote:learn to read, the first bullet point is basically "cisphobia is not a fucking thing and we're not going to read your shit complaints about it"

uh i hate to break it to you but i think you need to take your own advice, because it's saying that complaints about cisphobia, reverse racism and reverse sexism will be ignored. i.e. these things are allowed

it ties in with "prioritising marginalised people's safety over privileged people's comfort"

no it doesn't, if it meant that then why would "reverse racism" or whatever be in scare quotes

Nobody cares go away

Anyway, /vg/station has already moved off of Github and is now located at https://gitlab.com/vgstation/vgstation

Discussion of moving our own project code is still happening.

Stupid idea

Cheridan wrote:Discussion of moving our own project code is still happening.

How reactionary and overzealous of you.

bandit wrote:

Amnestik wrote:the only points i really have a problem with are 1 and 3, the rest looks okay to me!!!!

bandit wrote:learn to read, the first bullet point is basically "cisphobia is not a fucking thing and we're not going to read your shit complaints about it"

uh i hate to break it to you but i think you need to take your own advice, because it's saying that complaints about cisphobia, reverse racism and reverse sexism will be ignored. i.e. these things are allowed

it ties in with "prioritising marginalised people's safety over privileged people's comfort"

no it doesn't, if it meant that then why would "reverse racism" or whatever be in scare quotes

Because they don't think it's an issue or wouldn't call it that themselves.

Remember: it's okay to be racist and sexist against straight white males because they run everything

Even though most of us don't

Amnestik wrote:

Cheridan wrote:Discussion of moving our own project code is still happening.

How reactionary and overzealous of you.

That's a pretty sweet overzealous reactionary post. Does 'discussion' mean something different to you? So far, the discussion has been leaning towards "Don't", but I think that given this situation and the nature of this game we should at least have our options explored.

It did not take long for this thread to go from discussing the code of conduct to arguing over whether cisphobia and reverse racism are real.

The main reason to adopt this policy is because Github does not consider cisphobia to be an institutionalized phenomenon. Cisgendered people do not have to deal with cisphobia on a daily basis and almost nobody is actually cisphobic. Nobody will murder you over being cisgendered. If someone on the internet is cisphobic toward you, they are more likely to be a troll than an actually cisphobic sjw. The same reasoning applies to "reverse" racism.

The other points are basically "stop whining over every person who disagrees with you".

can i just clarify that this isn't github's code of conduct - it's been adopted for some open source projects github runs.

Github TOS is their sitewide service and conduct terms.

How can you say reverse racism doesn't exist when affirmative action does?

because that isn't racist, presumably

oranges wrote:can i just clarify that this isn't github's code of conduct - it's been adopted for some open source projects github runs.

Github TOS is their sitewide service and conduct terms.

This -- people are making a fuck of a lot of a big deal about what is essentially nothing and unless people keep trolling the open source repo, will affect us exactly zero. Last bit directed to MSO in particular because come on, man.

feel free to call me a dirty librull

yeah don't move the repo over the fact that some github sponsored project on github has some idiotic CoC doc, if GITHUB makes this there CoC then maybe, but it's a huge pain the ass to move shop over something that literally doesn't affect us at all.

>Pages and pages of muh feelings.

And I thought our github was bad.

Proper pronoun usage when?

bandit wrote:Last bit directed to MSO in particular because come on, man.

I'm not doing this because I think it affects us, I'm doing it because I am an Men's Rights Activist and reverse sexism does real.

Incoming wrote:yeah don't move the repo over the fact that some github sponsored project on github has some idiotic CoC doc, if GITHUB makes this there CoC then maybe, but it's a huge pain the ass to move shop over something that literally doesn't affect us at all.

This coincided with a repo getting blocked over the use of the word retard.

Webm for retards was blocked because github found the use of the term retard, to be offensive.

Everybody saw the new CoC and assumed the two were linked.

If people are moving, it's not because of the Code of Conduct, its because github is being retarded by blocking repos that use the word retard

I admit that that does sound rather developmentally challenged. In any case we aren't called retardstation13 (yet) and don't openly add features that make fun of other races/genders/sexual orientations/whatever. We also don't even talk about the kind of things that could run afoul of this even if it was "the law of the land". I don't know the race or sexual orientation of any other coder (and why the fuck should I?) and half the time I don't even remember what GENDER everyone is.

I mean really sucks for those webm guys, but we're pretty in the clear here. I don't know why you're getting bent up because a service we use has been making some questionable life choices lately. You think a decade with byond would desensitize one a bit.

MrStonedOne wrote:

bandit wrote:Last bit directed to MSO in particular because come on, man.

I'm not doing this because I think it affects us, I'm doing it because I am an Men's Rights Activist and reverse sexism does real.

MrStonedOne wrote:

bandit wrote:Last bit directed to MSO in particular because come on, man.

I'm not doing this because I think it affects us, I'm doing it because I am an Men's Rights Activist and reverse sexism does real.

yeah but see

I personally think MRAism is a cancer but I can respect that you don't shove it on people in-game

doing shit that is likely to bring the tgstation repo to support's attention is shoving it on people in-game

It is not my job to care about others who want to play guilt by association. Otherwise I wouldn't be here because how much being associated with tgstation could affect me.

Incoming wrote:I admit that that does sound rather developmentally challenged. In any case we aren't called retardstation13 (yet) and don't openly add features that make fun of other races/genders/sexual orientations/whatever. We also don't even talk about the kind of things that could run afoul of this even if it was "the law of the land". I don't know the race or sexual orientation of any other coder (and why the fuck should I?) and half the time I don't even remember what GENDER everyone is.

I mean really sucks for those webm guys, but we're pretty in the clear here. I don't know why you're getting bent up because a service we use has been making some questionable life choices lately. You think a decade with byond would desensitize one a bit.

The TOS allows github to block any repo they find could cause offense, when that line drops to retarded levels (pun 100% intended) you have no way of knowing how they will perceive you.

Nobody could have predicted github blocking webm for retards. Nor will they be able to predict the next stupid line github draws.

Saying we shouldn't care because we don't cross the line is pointless when we have no fucking way of knowing where the line is, or where it will be.

This is the entire point.

yes but given the amount of repos on github it is stupid to expect that they'll apply it to everyone, as opposed to the ones that come to their attention

now what are some ways to come to github's attention

>Nobody could have predicted github blocking webm for retards.
People who read the terms of service?

If says:

"We may, but have no obligation to, remove Content and Accounts containing Content that we determine in our sole discretion are unlawful, offensive, threatening, libelous, defamatory, pornographic, obscene or otherwise objectionable or violates any party's intellectual property or these Terms of Service."

rdght91 wrote:>Nobody could have predicted github blocking webm for retards.
People who read the terms of service?

If says:

"We may, but have no obligation to, remove Content and Accounts containing Content that we determine in our sole discretion are unlawful, offensive, threatening, libelous, defamatory, pornographic, obscene or otherwise objectionable or violates any party's intellectual property or these Terms of Service."

>remove content or accounts containing content that we determine in our sole discretion are unlawful, offensive...

this means literally anything

i'm a trans-future lizardkin

please ban ss13 for it's poor treatment of my people

Using the word retard to mean developmentally disabled is accepted by most people as offensive. Not terribly offensive, and not that big of a deal, but it's reasonable to conclude that it's offensive. Outside of the most fucked up parts of tumblr no one would give a fuck about a trans-future lizardkin and their feelings. People do however care about the disabled. While I personally don't care, it's their right as a owner of the website to not allow offensive material. Tgstation code itself as far I as know is well within the bounds they currently set. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

There's a reason that famous book series is called "x for dummies" and it is that no company is going to want that word (probably also fits under "obscene") seen to be endorsed by their company.
tgstation is neither high profile nor so transparently ugly, there is no danger and this is not a "when they came for x, I did nothing" situation.

Unless of course someone keeps pissing people off with mra bullshit until they try and start digging for dirt, depends how good GitHub are at keeping their tempers.