/tg/Station 13

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Actually just checked the silicon policy. Turns out that you can in fact demand it.

Any silicon under Asimov can deny orders to allow access to the upload at any time under Law 1 given probable cause to believe that human harm is the intent of the person giving the order (Referred to for the remainder of 2.1.6 simply as "probable cause").
Probable cause includes presence of confirmed traitors, cultists/tomes, nuclear operatives, or any other human acting against the station in general; the person not having upload access for their job; the presence of blood or an openly carried lethal-capable or lethal-only weapon on the requester; or anything else beyond cross-round character, player, or metagame patterns that indicates the person seeking access intends redefinition of humans that would impede likelihood of or ability to follow current laws as-written.
If you lack at least one element of probable cause and you deny upload access, you are liable to receive a warning or a silicon ban.
You are allowed, but not obligated, to deny upload access given probable cause.
You are obligated to disallow an individual you know to be harmful (Head of Security who just executed someone, etc.) from accessing your upload.
In the absence of probable cause, you can still demand someone seeking upload access be accompanied by another trustworthy human or a cyborg.

That's bloody annoying.

It's in place so your average crewmember can't just go "Law 2, let me upload a law" and then the AI gets OneHumaned. If they don't have a good reason to be uploading laws, they're not getting in without being accompanied by someone who does. And "AI, let me in, I'm going to RoboCop you so you can kill the traitors" isn't a good reason.

That seems like it would be covered by the law 1 thing. Only RD and captain have access to upload IIRC. it seems silly to have to ask another person without access to enter an area which you have access to without the AI screeching like a nutjob and having the detective run in and beat you to a pulp.

Worst is Captains who try and PALADIN/RoboCop/freeform "enemies of NanoTrasen are not human, the Captain decides who the enemies are" at roundstart (often before I even remember to bolt the upload). The AI is a neutral third-party who wants to minimise harm, and giving it validhunting laws without justification is awful. Back when NTSL was around, you could set Beepsky to detain mode and mute them from comms, but not any more.

people who scream "TRAITOR KILLING ME HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP" 200 times over comms when you disable them when they've been charging you for 20 minutes trying to kill you. if you strip their comms off they scream even more and then people believe them.

as a general rule i feel more compelled to kill people who shriek about how you're going to kill them when you're really not

You can perma people for that fun fact

I've always heard it as; if someone says you're doing something that you're not, you're then allowed to do that thing. So if they go "HELP SEC IS BEATING ME" when you stunbaton them, get in a few good whacks while you're at it; if they shout ";S-S-SEC ROUGE HOS KILLING ME HALP MAINT", take their headset then send their body to Robotics.

Faint-hearted revolutionaries who baulk at the idea of killing the Chief Medical Officer.

The CMO is the epitome of what is wrong with Nanotrasen: they are a worthless bureaucrat, existing only to promote licentiousness and decay, they ignore their staff, they have no real tasks of their own, they dress in fine clothing and pretend that this makes them better. They are a glorified doctor with no reason to exist. At least the Head of Personnel must be there to give out access, and the Research Director must exist to destroy the false silicons, but the CMO does nothing unique or worthwhile. All they do is lord it over the common people! In a revolution, it must be such aristocrats whose heads adorn revolutionary spears, first and foremost! If you're not getting rid of the people that hoarded resources without contributing themselves, then the revolution has failed. Even a security officer deserves some pity as you cut him down: he serves because he is brainwashed. The CMOs of this world do their self-righteous persecution of their own free will, and should not be allowed a comfortable exile.

Cheimon wrote:anarchy

To be honest, the CMO is a bit of a joke anyway. In my experience, any Medbay personnel that don't feel like doing their jobs won't ever do them no matter what you threaten or promise should they listen to you, and just use their job as a free pass into the Medbay. The only CMO I can even remember by name is Phoebe Lotsu, and even they would immediately forsake their duties for "le catgurl meme im so cute xDDDD".

When I play CMO I just replace any medbay staff that isn't there that shift/fucked off to do something else (hello chemistry).

Generally I also have to make sure all of my doctors actually know how to use the sleepers/cryo/cloning.

Most of the time as CMO I have to do everyone else's job because chem fucks off to fuck each other in the ass with space lube and drugs, and the MDs have the troubling disability of not existing.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:people who scream "TRAITOR KILLING ME HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP" 200 times over comms when you disable them when they've been charging you for 20 minutes trying to kill you. if you strip their comms off they scream even more and then people believe them.

I was a traitor, so.... It worked.

kazeespada wrote:

Super Aggro Crag wrote:people who scream "TRAITOR KILLING ME HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP" 200 times over comms when you disable them when they've been charging you for 20 minutes trying to kill you. if you strip their comms off they scream even more and then people believe them.

I was a traitor, so.... It worked.

if by worked you mean got you beaten to death, soul shared, and cremated by me then yes it did work.

Had this engineer walking into the bar a while ago on Meta. I went to AFK in my backroom to use the bathroom irl, and when I came back the fucker had deconstructed my tables. I tell him to knock that shit off and kick him out of the bar, also leaving myself to go look for some plasteel to repair my tables. When I get back, not finding any plasteel, I see that the fucker had used all of my plasteel on making a fucking laser reflector, so I bottlesmash him into crit. The entire time he's screaming "HELP HANZL EONID KILLING ME BAR HELP" while I'm telling everyone else he's being super shitty while sec grabs him and leaves, not bothering me at all. Eventually he comes back and starts throwing metal rods at me (lol Hippie player) and I shoot him to death with buckshot I'd printed while he was getting healed. He then comes back AGAIN to try to build more fucking reflectors so I bottle smash him to death, strip him in escape, and am just about to space him when I got PM'd by Shaps. Apparently the mongoloid had ahelped this, so I explain it to Shaps, Shaps says he was really shitty, and I go on my way, leaving his corpse a few tiles outside of escape and I never see him alive again.

are metal rods super robust on hippie or something?

Yeah they embed and do like 12 throwing damage, so taking a stack and throwing them kills basically everybody, especially since multiple items can embed on the same limb unlike here, where only one can embed in every limb, meaning that they'll bleed like a motherfucker.

I remember when metal rods on here were still robust, floor tiles too.

i miss acid being robust

Does acid even work anymore? I tried using it on a guy with a cursed mask and it did jack shit for fifteen minutes.

Malkevin wrote:I remember when metal rods on here were still robust, floor tiles too.

floor tiles still are, especially against simple mobs like constructs or zombies

Acid is basically piss water now tbh

Anonmare wrote:Acid is basically piss water now tbh

If you want to kill someone in an amusing way as a chemist, then simply make one needle full of 2/3rds the materials for the expanding fireball, and another with one 1/3 and morphine, then tag them and yakety around them until they drop, shoot them with the other one and they're ash inside a minute.

Luke Cox wrote:HoSes who do lame ass executions instead of making public spectacles out of it. If you're going to kill somebody, make it fun for people to watch. The courtroom is the best place for this, all you need to to is make a meat rack and slap them on it. If the AI isn't asimov, announce this to the station. Then, the fun can begin. If you're in a hurry, smash them with the wine bottle in your office and burn them alive. If you have more time, kill them via unstable mutagen IV drip. If it's a traitor, using items they had on them is ideal. Executions should always be ironic if possible.

oh man this

public executions are literally the best.

Too bad the AI will soon be back to its moaning self.

Perma them, don't talk about the execution on sec channel, get RD over PDA to change AIs laws, ahelp if it doesn't let the head (possibly with another head as a guarantor) into the upload. Then execute.

If you really have to execute someone with an Asimov AI around, distract the AI (have an Officer go "Hey, AI, track {person}"), then shoot them five times with a laser and bodybag them. Or just don't execute people, which is another good option.

put them into literally any room without a camera and strip them except for internals set to 0kPa. do it on the gulag and say they suicided/went braindead.

Xhuis wrote:

Cheimon wrote:anarchy

To be honest, the CMO is a bit of a joke anyway. In my experience, any Medbay personnel that don't feel like doing their jobs won't ever do them no matter what you threaten or promise should they listen to you, and just use their job as a free pass into the Medbay. The only CMO I can even remember by name is Phoebe Lotsu, and even they would immediately forsake their duties for "le catgurl meme im so cute xDDDD".

Lmfao you can go fuck yourself xhuis, I'm one of the most consistent CMO's and players there are, just the other day I singlehandedly cured a rogue viro disease and fungal TB while dodging nuke ops and keeping people alive and healthy in the meantime. If you're going to shittalk people to fit with your slanted viewpoint of whatever you're trying to push, actually make sure you've got the right person

Shaps wrote:

Xhuis wrote:

Cheimon wrote:anarchy

To be honest, the CMO is a bit of a joke anyway. In my experience, any Medbay personnel that don't feel like doing their jobs won't ever do them no matter what you threaten or promise should they listen to you, and just use their job as a free pass into the Medbay. The only CMO I can even remember by name is Phoebe Lotsu, and even they would immediately forsake their duties for "le catgurl meme im so cute xDDDD".

Lmfao you can go fuck yourself xhuis, I'm one of the most consistent CMO's and players there are, just the other day I singlehandedly cured a rogue viro disease and fungal TB while dodging nuke ops and keeping people alive and healthy in the meantime. If you're going to shittalk people to fit with your slanted viewpoint of whatever you're trying to push, actually make sure you've got the right person

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little assistant? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Medbay CMOs, and I’ve been involved in numerous neutral healings on antagonists, and I have over 300 confirmed defibs. I am trained in chemical warfare and I’m the top syringe gunner in the entire station medbay. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will morphine you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this station, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the common channel? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of geneticists with hulk across Alpha Centauri and your suit sensors coordinates are being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking gibbed, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hypospray. Not only am I extensively trained in disarm-intent combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the virology bay and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the quadrant, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn greyshirt. I will shit chloral hydrate all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

Shaps wrote:

Xhuis wrote:

Cheimon wrote:anarchy

To be honest, the CMO is a bit of a joke anyway. In my experience, any Medbay personnel that don't feel like doing their jobs won't ever do them no matter what you threaten or promise should they listen to you, and just use their job as a free pass into the Medbay. The only CMO I can even remember by name is Phoebe Lotsu, and even they would immediately forsake their duties for "le catgurl meme im so cute xDDDD".

Lmfao you can go fuck yourself xhuis, I'm one of the most consistent CMO's and players there are, just the other day I singlehandedly cured a rogue viro disease and fungal TB while dodging nuke ops and keeping people alive and healthy in the meantime. If you're going to shittalk people to fit with your slanted viewpoint of whatever you're trying to push, actually make sure you've got the right person

i can confirm that this happened as I was playing Hedwig "The Fujoshit That Don't Quit" Algebra and was in a biosuit dragging people through a slip and slide of human vomit to Phoebe "Literally WHO (world health organization)" Lotsu to get cured.

Pheobe Slutsu is actually one of the few memorable CMOs, which is a testament to them merely because the CMO is forgettable as hell most rounds.

I loved the one round I had a chance to cure Fungal TB. It was the only good and actually dangerous hostile virus I have ever seen. I used the poor clown-girl, soaked in her own crusted, cotton-candy vomit as the source for a vaccine. I will miss you, Fungal TB. o7 Rest In Peace.

I guess I've been gone too long. What's fungal TB?

Xhuis wrote:I guess I've been gone too long. What's fungal TB?

traitors could buy a disease for 20 tcs that keeps people on the ground from vomiting so much and needs 2 chemicals at once to cure but is ridiculously easy to avoid if you don't have it yet (just wear a mask) and everyone ever whined about it so it got removed I think.

Xhuis wrote:I guess I've been gone too long. What's fungal TB?

Airborne chainstun that kills you, so quickly that it will still get you even if you're an alert virologist that notices it the second he contracts it at stage one and tries to go cure it
Yes this happened to me, yes I'm glad it's gone

Oh damn. I guess Shaps is better than I thought then.
I still hate that they're a catgirl

Greytiders who cry to sec and try to frame their victims as antags when they get caught/outrobusted.

When people, especially other sec, start moaning about stuff I do not being sec procedure... when I wrote the procedures in the first place - especially when they're completely wrong and talking out of their arse.

tbh fuck sec procedure

Yeah exactly, they're guidelines - mostly there for the benefit of newb red shirts.
They're not meant to be followed to the letter, especially against antags

the inability to kill incompetent revheads/gang bosses

People who don't understand how the fucking stock market works and sell all my actually profitable stocks to buy 200 shitty $18 stocks that never go up in price and in fact drop because LEL BUY LOW SELL HIGH MEMES.

If you're the QM space all the other stock market computers but the ones in your office so people don't fuck with your stocks

When people play revenant and camp out near the morgue/cloning

like, you are an alien ghost that can shock lights and shit, but nooooo you need that greentext.
thanks for making people want to remove revenant

when security waves their powerboners around like they're warding off evil spirits

when people are shot dead when permabrig can be used (unless they are gassing them and they are a lizard)

people who can't use the system of waiting at the fucking desk, if they aren't ready for you, go away

i've had it with people who can't accept low pop access while i go to get a toolbelt from robotics because scientists don't spawn with those because i had a dude who cried about me taking his shoes from the locker. they weren't even chameleon shoes!

low tier arrests like "vandalism" but it's their right to do so i know but still RRRRR

I like to get my jackboots on with low-tier arrests tbh.
Nothing better than brigging a greyshirt for 5 seconds and then releasing them without even a search or a word. They get confused and seek out the nearest toolbox for comfort.

When a head goes to warden round start to steal the wardens glove, and then has the gall to use the leg sweep randomly on the crew.

That`s when I go and fuck with the person with robust tools. Like the syringe gun, or explosive lance. I don`t kill though.

yackemflam wrote:When a head goes to warden round start to steal the wardens glove, and then has the gall to use the leg sweep randomly on the crew.

That`s when I go and fuck with the person with robust tools. Like the syringe gun, or explosive lance. I don`t kill though.

yeah that's perfectly valid imo
it's like the captain stealing the HoS's snowflake laser and armor, the hypospray, and the reactive armor for no reason