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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby InsaneHyena » Fri May 13, 2016 7:37 pm #176282

So, I've persuaded Oldman to do a little testing on thunderdome, and we've found out:

1) Xenomorphs can be converted by cult. They can also use cult telepathy just fine and understand people through it too.
2) Holoparasites can be converted by cult
3) Cyborgs and AI can be converted by cult
4) MMI, intellicards, positronics can't be converted.

I wonder how does it work with gangs and other conversion antags. In the next episode of mythbusters, we'll find out!
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Anonmare » Fri May 13, 2016 7:40 pm #176283

I was under the impression Cyborgs and AIs couldn't be converted? Sacced yes, but conversion wasn't doable unless I missed a memo
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Remie Richards » Fri May 13, 2016 7:41 pm #176284

InsaneHyena wrote:4) MMI, intellicards, positronics can't be converted.


Well these 3 are items, so of course they can't be converted.
(Everything else you've mentioned is a mob primarily, these 3 are 3 mobs sat INSIDE of an item, thus you can't get to them to convert them)
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby InsaneHyena » Fri May 13, 2016 7:41 pm #176285

What about blob?
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Remie Richards » Fri May 13, 2016 7:45 pm #176286

Blobs are /obj/effect/blob, the overmind is an invisible eye camera, it's not /living so it can't be converted, plus it would have to WANT to be converted (or you get lucky and catch it in the rune as it moves, which is hard as you can't see it)
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby stiph » Fri May 13, 2016 8:32 pm #176291

Cheimon wrote:
Oh, and as roboticist, you can augment any body part with any cyborg body part. That means if you don't want to spend ridiculous amounts of metal on people, you can augment everything they've got with a stack of arms. They're also quicker to produce than torsos or heads, and the surplus can be used to make bots.


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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Reece » Fri May 13, 2016 8:40 pm #176296

Survival capsules work in space, Mining spess fort is doable with some lattices and a couple of survival pods.

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Laharl Monthy » Tue May 17, 2016 7:55 pm #177191

Due to the way bomb processing works now, it's possible to survive being in OBLITERATION range of the bomb, or avoid any damage.

The bomb processes row by row - if you're lucky enough, you can actually run between two processing, and not get damaged, apart from space cold.

Seems like a serious bug to me, but there we go.

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Reece » Wed May 18, 2016 12:01 am #177269

Borgs can be culted.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed May 18, 2016 12:04 am #177270

Reece wrote:Borgs can be culted.

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Anonmare » Wed May 18, 2016 12:26 am #177277

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Reece wrote:Borgs can be culted.

got removed

You should be able to still sac them, if not then it's a bug and you ought to report it to Git. There's a freeze on so it ought to get fixed.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Drynwyn » Wed May 18, 2016 2:52 am #177302

Laharl Monthy wrote:Due to the way bomb processing works now, it's possible to survive being in OBLITERATION range of the bomb, or avoid any damage.

The bomb processes row by row - if you're lucky enough, you can actually run between two processing, and not get damaged, apart from space cold.

Seems like a serious bug to me, but there we go.

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Wyzack » Wed May 18, 2016 2:23 pm #177417

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Malkevin » Wed May 18, 2016 4:29 pm #177452

Drynwyn wrote:
Laharl Monthy wrote:Due to the way bomb processing works now, it's possible to survive being in OBLITERATION range of the bomb, or avoid any damage.

The bomb processes row by row - if you're lucky enough, you can actually run between two processing, and not get damaged, apart from space cold.

Seems like a serious bug to me, but there we go.

Survive explosions by running towards them? PERFECT REALISM

I'm sure I said this would happen when I heard about the explosion calculations getting freed from MC
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby DemonFiren » Wed May 18, 2016 8:00 pm #177487

You probably didn't.

But yeah, this is definitely a feature.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Meijerivoi » Thu May 19, 2016 5:18 pm #177803

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Gun Hog » Thu May 19, 2016 6:43 pm #177819

Laharl Monthy wrote:Due to the way bomb processing works now, it's possible to survive being in OBLITERATION range of the bomb, or avoid any damage.

The bomb processes row by row - if you're lucky enough, you can actually run between two processing, and not get damaged, apart from space cold.

Seems like a serious bug to me, but there we go.


This mechanic has another flaw: If you happen to be caught in the center of a high devastation blast with bomb armor, you will be thrown at high speed away from it (but stripped and killed). There is a chance that you can be hit again by the explosion as it loops outwards as you are traveling away from the first blast. This leads you to be gibbed, completely negating your bomb armor. I reported this a long time ago, but I was dismissed and the issue was declared as not a bug. https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/12758

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby MMMiracles » Sat May 28, 2016 3:08 am #181075

how to kill literally any blob that has a core exposed to space:

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do your part, exterminate the blob menace as quickly as possible so we can actually play a good gamemode.
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Postby Armhulen » Sat May 28, 2016 3:12 am #181078

MMMiracles wrote:how to kill literally any blob that has a core exposed to space:

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do your part, exterminate the blob menace as quickly as possible so we can actually play a good gamemode.

holy shit
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Postby MMMiracles » Sat May 28, 2016 3:51 am #181090

i'm guessing if you're strapped for diamond you can probably do some manipulation with corner reflectors to squeeze a few more emitters in there if you really hate the blob and want it over quickly.

spread the message, end the blubber.
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Postby Okand37 » Sat May 28, 2016 4:56 am #181117

That is actually a super impressive emitter set up. We don't see much of anything like that on basil, jolly show!
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Postby PKPenguin321 » Sat May 28, 2016 5:27 am #181125

you wouldnt see that on sybil either since that looks pretty blatantly staged, especially since the emitters have no wiring

it would be extremely impressive to see a setup like that in game though
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Actionb » Sat May 28, 2016 8:28 am #181168

MMMiracles wrote:how to kill literally any blob that has a core exposed to space:


do your part, exterminate the blob menace as quickly as possible so we can actually play a good gamemode.


I have been trying to do that ever since those reflector boxes were added. Whenever I got close to completing the setup, the blob had already died - or the crew failed completely/I never got a diamond.
For added fun, have a few emitters feed into a reflector loop, collecting hundreds of emitter beams before sending them off onto the core all at once.

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Postby Ezel » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:30 am #184194

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Postby PKPenguin321 » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:32 am #187696

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby ShadowDimentio » Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:31 am #187705

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Postby XDTM » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:52 am #187748

Speaking of xenobio, when you're a slimeman and want to split quickly, using sugar on two purple slime cores and injecting yourself with the contents will fuel about 25-30 splits. Not hyperbole. Use with caution.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby TheWulfe » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:31 pm #193772

For a while I didn't know how melee combat actually worked

Basically, there's only two actual spots you're going to want to hit in melee (Even with dismemberment code, probably still applies)

Aiming for the chest has your melee weapons base damage plus ten chance for knockdown (Weaken)
Aiming for the head is just the base damage's chance to knock them out unconscious

Since a single knockdown is usually enough to flat out win a fight, most of the time you're just going to want to keep targeting the chest for the knockdown

Going for head KO's is generally better if you have another stun but your melee is your follow up, which has uses from just silencing the guy to just proccing the KO and moving on to another person against multiple people.

I used to just keep it at the head all the time because hurr durr that's where you would whack a cunt in real life, probably making me lose melee fights compared to if I just had the bonus knockdown chances from chest hits.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Anonmare » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:46 pm #193776

I think the groin has a good chance at knockdown. I once punched two guys in the dick and they both went down in one hit each.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Remie Richards » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:56 pm #193777

Anonmare wrote:I think the groin has a good chance at knockdown. I once punched two guys in the dick and they both went down in one hit each.


False, knockdown does not consider any zone besides head and chest.
  • chest is (force+10%) chance (eg: 30 dmg weapon = 40% chance knockdown when aiming at the chest)
  • head is (force%) chance (eg: 30 dmg weapon = 30% chance knockdown when aiming at the head) BUT the victim's armour must be below 50.

HOWEVER! the groin is considered the chest! so while it's not special, it follows all the rules of the chest (force+10%)

So no, the "groin" doesn't have a good chance, the chest does ;)
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Zilenan91 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:58 pm #193778

So knockouts can't happen if armor is too high?
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Postby Remie Richards » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:59 pm #193779

Zilenan91 wrote:So knockouts can't happen if armor is too high?


specific to the head, the chest (and consequently, groin!) does not check for armour at all (besides the fact armour reduces stuns)
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Postby confused rock » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:05 pm #193780

what has 50 armor anyways? a helmet? a riot helmet?
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Postby Zilenan91 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:10 pm #193781

Explorer suit does if you put 2 goliath plates on it
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Remie Richards » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:11 pm #193782

ninja hood is 60
nar-sien hardened helmets have 60
the cult hoodie (from the "cult_shield" suit?) has 50
riot helmets have 41 (weird) so they get stuns

too lazy to point anymore out, search the github for "armor" and look at the lists, specifically the "melee" value.
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Postby One Seven One » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:46 pm #193793

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby DemonFiren » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:05 pm #193797

One Seven One wrote:You can milk pete

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Postby Anonmare » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:46 pm #193806

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Reece » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:49 pm #193816

One Seven One wrote:---
RCD can be loaded with Metal instead of the modules meaning you can get nigh infinite use if you weld the walls down and deconstruct the girder.
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:shock:
This is really useful to know.

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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby One Seven One » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:01 am #193864

Reece wrote:
One Seven One wrote:---
RCD can be loaded with Metal instead of the modules meaning you can get nigh infinite use if you weld the walls down and deconstruct the girder.
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:shock:
This is really useful to know.

I'm pretty sure it also works with glass, forgot to mention that.

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Postby Anonmare » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:44 pm #194094

I just remembered the recipe for single tank bombs.
Get an igniter, a signaler, a screwdriver, a welding tool and an internals tank. Create a signaler and igniter assembly from screwdrivering the igniter and signaler and putting them together. Attach the assembly to the internals tank, then weld it. This let's you remotely detonate it.
Making the gas composition is still on you though lad. I don't remember the optimal gas mixtures anymore so you'll have to experiment. You'll want a good mixture of oxygen, plasma and hot gas. But not too much hot gas or else the tank will rupture.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby BeeSting12 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:06 am #196753

You can ghost on a pod and greentext. Fun to ghost and hear their salt before you dock at centcomm.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Remie Richards » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:11 pm #196860

BeeSting12 wrote:You can ghost on a pod and greentext. Fun to ghost and hear their salt before you dock at centcomm.


Thanks for the bug report!
We'll be sure to fix this within 2-3 working days.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Whoisthere » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:17 pm #196861

That's not a bug though.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby InsaneHyena » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:19 pm #196862

> Implying it's a bug

Since your body is still alive while escaping on shuttle/pod, I don't know why it should be fixed.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Remie Richards » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:21 pm #196863

InsaneHyena wrote:> Implying it's a bug

Since your body is still alive while escaping on shuttle/pod, I don't know why it should be fixed.


Because you are not in the body.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Whoisthere » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:25 pm #196864

This is getting philosophical.

When your ghost enters a prisoner sleeper and emerges as NTP-341513 are you still you or are you that prisoner.

Anyway don't remove I like ghosting to check how much destruction my actions brought to the station and such.
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Whoisthere » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:27 pm #196865

Actually no
We have to count the body and not the ghost
Otherwise objective "prevent X from leaving" would be impossible to do
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Re: Little things you learned that are game changing

Postby Malkevin » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:29 pm #196904

Whoisthere wrote:This is getting philosophical.

When your ghost enters a prisoner sleeper and emerges as NTP-341513 are you still you or are you that prisoner.

Anyway don't remove I like ghosting to check how much destruction my actions brought to the station and such.

You are that prisoner, when you respawn in a way that doesn't involve your original brain (cloning scans brain, borging shoves your brain in a jar, pod person.... injects your brain juice into a potato) you are a brand new character.
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