Test 4: PARANOIA ON A DEATHTRAP

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Re: Test 4: PARANOIA ON A DEATHTRAP

Post by ShadowDimentio » #163765

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Re: Test 4: PARANOIA ON A DEATHTRAP

Post by Luke Cox » #163767

*hours

Of all the tests this one is the most retarded by far. AI removal had a decent support base, and even removing silicon policy wasn't this unpopular.
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Re: Test 4: PARANOIA ON A DEATHTRAP

Post by FantasticFwoosh » #163771

Playing AI with these changes especially without a nearby intercom (looking at you metastation) is frustration incarnate because you can't scream out OBVIOUS DANGER, IM SHUTTING THAT DOOR DOWN, DONT YOU DARE!! over comms anymore.

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Post by CPTANT » #163774

Stupid change, if you can't kill someone without him screaming out as a traitor you are doing it wrong.

You can even kill people easily with the stetchkin without them screaming out.
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Post by Luke Cox » #163775

How about we test Zil's idea instead and reduce total player health?

(Also shilling my straw poll once more: https://strawpoll.me/7156553/)
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Post by Zilenan91 » #163776

That wasn't my idea I said that was a bad idea
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Post by Hornygranny » #163777

Luke Cox wrote:How about we test Zil's idea instead and reduce total player health?
This will be the next test.
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Post by Luke Cox » #163778

Hornygranny wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:How about we test Zil's idea instead and reduce total player health?
This will be the next test.
Since ~70% of people polled are against this test can we just end it now and do this instead?
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Post by ShadowDimentio » #163779

Who needs approval the headmin wills it and can't be removed for 4 more months :^)
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Post by Luke Cox » #163784

I thought Kor was supposed to be able to veto bullshit like this
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Post by TechnoAlchemist » #163786

I've really not been enjoying this change, but I do think it was worthwhile to actually test.

Please bring common back, feels desolate and does not encourage interaction outside of departments at all.

Game has become more boring as a whole.
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Post by onleavedontatme » #163790

Why would I veto a test? I'd rather test bad ideas briefly (if for no other reason than to prove they are bad) than be afraid of change and be stuck in the same rut forever.

Nor do I actually have "veto" power, it's a 3 way vote.
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Post by Luke Cox » #163791

If these tests were only for a day or two, I'd be all for them. My issue is that HG shoves them down our throats for well beyond the original week in an effort to force us to accept them even though they're obvious failures. These tests are NEVER brief.

(Poll on the test: https://strawpoll.me/7156553/)
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Post by Jeb » #163792

Jumping on the "this is fucking retarded" bandwagon.

How the fuck did HG get headmin again anyway, this is how/why stupid shit happens.

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Post by ThanatosRa » #163793

I think I'll log on when I get home from work in a little bit and give some actual testing instead of just parroting "IT'S BAD." Even with as much as I want to.
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #163797

i think we should make changes with our aim having two priorities.

1: make the game more fun for the maximum amount of people. this is the primary goal.
2: make things more balanced. this is the secondary goal, and should not be prioritized over the first.

this change sacrifices the first goal for the second one. as such, i am against it.
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Post by Luke Cox » #163798

I've always felt that the whole "fun vs. balance" thing is a false dichotomy. This is absolute cancer for both.

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Post by Cheimon » #163804

Damnit if you'd stop shilling your poll (for the fourth time?) and actually try it out for a few days to form an evidence-based opinion you might have some real feedback to post instead of just unhelpful assertions.
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Cheimon wrote:Damnit if you'd stop shilling your poll (for the fourth time?) and actually try it out for a few days to form an evidence-based opinion you might have some real feedback to post instead of just unhelpful assertions.
>Explaining in detail why it's a terrible idea
>"unhelpful assertions"

Okay then
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Post by Ikarrus » #163808

Luke Cox wrote:
Hornygranny wrote:
Luke Cox wrote:How about we test Zil's idea instead and reduce total player health?
This will be the next test.
Since ~70% of people polled are against this test can we just end it now and do this instead?
But that wasn't the question asked in the poll.

You even said yourself those who want to test first shouldn't vote at all.

Please stop abusing polls to use as your own personal mouthpiece. It's not going to work.
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Post by Luke Cox » #163810

Have you even played on the server since the test was implemented. It has been universally reviled, the station feels dead, everybody hates it. Are you willfully ignoring the playerbase's sentiments?

Edit: And unless 17+ people are waiting to vote, you point is invalid. Of 20 or so votes, only three people agree with HG's implementation. The test is absolute AIDS. Admit it.
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Post by Ikarrus » #163811

That doesn't justify you trying to lie through polls

I don't care one way or another about the issue at hand. I just find your behavior here utterly foolish.
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Post by Luke Cox » #163813

Ikarrus wrote:That doesn't justify you trying to lie through polls
>OOC is furious
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>Poll results overwhelmingly against test
>"trying to lie through polls"

Okay then
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Post by Hibbles » #163815

We need an in-game vote or something.
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Post by Luke Cox » #163818

Goofball, you're plugging your ears, ignoring all of my points and everybody's feedback, and posting screamers. Please, stop lying through your teeth and actually contribute something meaningful to the discussion. Hibbles is right, an in-game vote would be ideal. That way Ikarrus and Goofball can't blatantly lie about how people are reacting to this


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Posting for Iamgoofball


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Post by Luke Cox » #163824

This is why nobody likes you Goofball.

Kor says this test is only for a day or so. Is that true?
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Post by Venticular » #163825

when comms go down, there is literally no way to communicate with people remotely.

though I have seen admin intervention, like making Tcomms all R-walls
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icecreamcohn wrote:Posting for Iamgoofball
Does anybody else find this a little bit ironic in the thread about not being able to scream shit over comms constantly?
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Post by Luke Cox » #163837

Saegrimr wrote:
icecreamcohn wrote:Posting for Iamgoofball
Does anybody else find this a little bit ironic in the thread about not being able to scream shit over comms constantly?
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Post by Steelpoint » #163838

This was a poor idea.

Also stop deleting your posts since it kills any sense of keeping track of what was said.
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Post by Jeb » #163844

Steelpoint wrote:This was a poor idea.

Also stop deleting your posts since it kills any sense of keeping track of what was said.
There aren't any posts (here) that were removed that weren't goofball posting strawpoll screamer url's.

(unless I missed something, but I looked before I made this post)
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Post by Steelpoint » #163845

Well either way.

If your goal is to make the game have a more paranoia laden feel then look to games like 'The Ship' or 'Lifeweb' and see how they accomplish this goal.
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Post by Zilenan91 » #163846

I don't think the players of what /tg/station currently are really want paranoia anymore. It's more accessible and more fun without it I feel.
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Post by Ikarrus » #163850

paranoia is a meme buzzword.

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Post by Atlanta-Ned » #163858

I like the idea. HG's approach leads something to be desired, but launching unilateral tests like this is the only way we'd get them in. If he proposed something like this with a forum thread, well, see above.
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Post by Steelpoint » #163861

I personally don't disagree with this method of testing, at least now. Mainly due to it being the only feasible way to really test something.

The alternative is people getting into a flame war over their personal interpretations on how a change is going to be anything from negligible to something that'll kill the server.

Forcing a in game test like this is the only real way to see how a change is going to go.

The only difference here is that we already tried out this change, and it didn't go well.
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Post by ShadowDimentio » #163863

Also this is a rare case of a truly fucking dumb idea
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Post by Supermichael777 » #163869

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Post by Hornygranny » #163870

I think we can all agree that this was not good and anybody who suggested this in the past was deeply wrong about SS13 and should not suggest this again.
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Post by Archie700 » #163871

Even hg says it's shit.

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Re: Test 4: PARANOIA ON A DEATHTRAP

Post by oranges » #163882

Atlanta-Ned wrote:I like the idea. HG's approach leads something to be desired, but launching unilateral tests like this is the only way we'd get them in. If he proposed something like this with a forum thread, well, see above.
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Re: Test 4: PARANOIA ON A DEATHTRAP

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Re: Test 4: PARANOIA ON A DEATHTRAP

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I actually liked not hearing memes and harm yelling over the radio. It made everything spookier.
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Re: Test 4: PARANOIA ON A DEATHTRAP

Post by Wyzack » #164000

All the people who fucking sperged out hard over this (looking at you Luke) can not possibly argue with HG's methods now. This is the best way to test anything, and what doesn't work is thrown out. I hope you pitch a little less of a bitchfit next time
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Re: Test 4: PARANOIA ON A DEATHTRAP

Post by ThanatosRa » #164083

Wyzack wrote:All the people who fucking sperged out hard over this (looking at you Luke) can not possibly argue with HG's methods now. This is the best way to test anything, and what doesn't work is thrown out. I hope you pitch a little less of a bitchfit next time
I honestly can get behind this sentiment(even though I never found time to participate myself). Sometimes one needs an object lesson on why an idea is retarded, even if it's been screamed that it's bad already.
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