Please put gang back in rotation

[Screemonster]

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They need an endgame goal that isn't an instant lose-condition for the rest of the crew. One that pits them directly and explicitly against other gangs and not against unaffiliated crewmembers. Preventing the other gang leaders from escaping, for instance, or having the most influence at the end.

Hell, I'm almost tempted to say that with some adjustments to tone them down they might work as a side-antag that runs at the same time as other modes so the gangs are just there rather than being the main event for the crew to fight against. Running violence in the halls - is it rev, traitors, or is it just a couple of gangers beating the shit out of each other?

[InsaneHyena]

Gang was pure shit, and returning it would be a mistake. Fuck clock cult too.

[peoplearestrange]

I hate team games, let me kill/die alone.

Jeez... sorry.

[InsaneHyena]

Don't put words into my mouth, cult is my favourite game mode, nuke ops is fun, though usually short and miserable, and rev is simply necessary.

[Qbopper]

I hate team games, let me kill/die alone.

Jeez... sorry.

Not a fan of hyena just posting "X is shit fuck off" either but as they said, don't put words in their mouth

I'm curious if there's anyhwere interesting gang can go now - the consensus seems to be it was an inherently unfun gamemode

[InsaneHyena]

It was fun, at first, it was everyone's favourite gamemode, including mine. Then the meta formed.

[cedarbridge]

It was fun, at first, it was everyone's favourite gamemode, including mine. Then the meta formed.

I think that's a lot of the case with our run the other day. Most of the players involved had never touched gang before (myself included) so there was no real "meta" just a sort of weird happy medium between cult and rev. I suppose when the "meta" is sec going turbohitler and killing everything on the station it could stagnate, but in small doses it shows it can be a good mode.

[CPTANT]

I hate team games, let me kill/die alone.

Jeez... sorry.

Not a fan of hyena just posting "X is shit fuck off" either but as they said, don't put words in their mouth

I'm curious if there's anyhwere interesting gang can go now - the consensus seems to be it was an inherently unfun gamemode

That's not a consensus at all, lot's of people say gang is a fun gamemode and it is frequently requested to do a round of gang.

[Qbopper]

I've never heard of that happening, it's news to me

I can speak from experience though that it's probably more fun for the early gang members, but later in the round for most of the crew it's not a good time

I have the unfortunate habit of managing to avoid the conflict until the gang has a lot of guns and starts to kill people on sight

[BeeSting12]

I miss gang, but it shouldn't be back at the chances it was at. Maybe put it at blob's and call it a day? I think we can all agree that gangs is no more cancerous than blob and clock cult yet we still have both

[Ikarrus]

Gang was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.

[JStheguy]

Revolution is a pure and simple game mode with most of the filler cut out.

Gang was a over complicated game mode that relied massively on the competence, but also RNG, of the placement and viability of the Gang Leaders. Here are the main issues Gang Mode had.

• Security was in a weird place. The game mode was crafted in a way in a attempt to sideline Security and to focus the game mode into a pure Gang v Gang mode. The problem here is that one of two things would occur, Security would be overrun by one Gang and then that Gang would win by having the Brig and most of Sec under its thumb. Alternatively Security would go balls to the wall shitsec and begin a massive purge of the entire station that was simply unfun and annoying for everyone involved.
• Gang was massively reliant on the competence of the Gang leader AND the positioning of the round start Gangsters. If you had a competent leader and control over a single department you would win. Too many rounds ended with one dominate gang with 20+ members and all the rest having one or two Gangsters doing nothing.
• The amount of cheese I saw with Dominator placements was unpalatable, a lot of the time you had no chance to zero in to the Dominator.

Ultimantly Gang is just a Rev game mode that was over saturated with poor ideas.

You also have to remember that back when Gang was on rotation, we had a large prevalence of conversion game modes. You had Cult, Rev, Gang and even Ratvar. I can't recall the math but I do remember that a large percentage of the game modes on the server at any time was a conversion based game mode, this led to a lot of furstration (more from sec) when you spent round after round having the crew desolve into a massive war. Conversion game modes are fun but only in moderation.

Yeah this pretty much. The gangs don't act like gangs at all, they're too centralized and their objective doesn't really fit with being gangsters. I mean, I don't know about you, but fucking annexing a space station doesn't sound much like what a gang would do. Though honestly most of the things I would imagine a gang doing that fit in the themeing probably wouldn't be very fitting for a main antagonist.

[Togopal]

Revolution is a pure and simple game mode with most of the filler cut out.

Gang was a over complicated game mode that relied massively on the competence, but also RNG, of the placement and viability of the Gang Leaders. Here are the main issues Gang Mode had.

• Security was in a weird place. The game mode was crafted in a way in a attempt to sideline Security and to focus the game mode into a pure Gang v Gang mode. The problem here is that one of two things would occur, Security would be overrun by one Gang and then that Gang would win by having the Brig and most of Sec under its thumb. Alternatively Security would go balls to the wall shitsec and begin a massive purge of the entire station that was simply unfun and annoying for everyone involved.
• Gang was massively reliant on the competence of the Gang leader AND the positioning of the round start Gangsters. If you had a competent leader and control over a single department you would win. Too many rounds ended with one dominate gang with 20+ members and all the rest having one or two Gangsters doing nothing.
• The amount of cheese I saw with Dominator placements was unpalatable, a lot of the time you had no chance to zero in to the Dominator.

Ultimantly Gang is just a Rev game mode that was over saturated with poor ideas.

You also have to remember that back when Gang was on rotation, we had a large prevalence of conversion game modes. You had Cult, Rev, Gang and even Ratvar. I can't recall the math but I do remember that a large percentage of the game modes on the server at any time was a conversion based game mode, this led to a lot of furstration (more from sec) when you spent round after round having the crew desolve into a massive war. Conversion game modes are fun but only in moderation.

Yeah this pretty much. The gangs don't act like gangs at all, they're too centralized and their objective doesn't really fit with being gangsters. I mean, I don't know about you, but fucking annexing a space station doesn't sound much like what a gang would do. Though honestly most of the things I would imagine a gang doing that fit in the themeing probably wouldn't be very fitting for a main antagonist.

Its weird, it has the gang aspects of stereotypical "gang weapons" (uzis, pistols, etc), and spray tagging, but the entire domination thing and eliminating rival competition makes it feel like it's some sort of mafia

[JStheguy]

Revolution is a pure and simple game mode with most of the filler cut out.

Gang was a over complicated game mode that relied massively on the competence, but also RNG, of the placement and viability of the Gang Leaders. Here are the main issues Gang Mode had.

• Security was in a weird place. The game mode was crafted in a way in a attempt to sideline Security and to focus the game mode into a pure Gang v Gang mode. The problem here is that one of two things would occur, Security would be overrun by one Gang and then that Gang would win by having the Brig and most of Sec under its thumb. Alternatively Security would go balls to the wall shitsec and begin a massive purge of the entire station that was simply unfun and annoying for everyone involved.
• Gang was massively reliant on the competence of the Gang leader AND the positioning of the round start Gangsters. If you had a competent leader and control over a single department you would win. Too many rounds ended with one dominate gang with 20+ members and all the rest having one or two Gangsters doing nothing.
• The amount of cheese I saw with Dominator placements was unpalatable, a lot of the time you had no chance to zero in to the Dominator.

Ultimantly Gang is just a Rev game mode that was over saturated with poor ideas.

You also have to remember that back when Gang was on rotation, we had a large prevalence of conversion game modes. You had Cult, Rev, Gang and even Ratvar. I can't recall the math but I do remember that a large percentage of the game modes on the server at any time was a conversion based game mode, this led to a lot of furstration (more from sec) when you spent round after round having the crew desolve into a massive war. Conversion game modes are fun but only in moderation.

Yeah this pretty much. The gangs don't act like gangs at all, they're too centralized and their objective doesn't really fit with being gangsters. I mean, I don't know about you, but fucking annexing a space station doesn't sound much like what a gang would do. Though honestly most of the things I would imagine a gang doing that fit in the themeing probably wouldn't be very fitting for a main antagonist.

Its weird, it has the gang aspects of stereotypical "gang weapons" (uzis, pistols, etc), and spray tagging, but the entire domination thing and eliminating rival competition makes it feel like it's some sort of mafia

Yeah, and the way the gangs are so heavily reliant on their gang bosses and lieutenants feels kinda wrong to me. It doesn't matter if the gang consisted of just those three based out of an empty broom closet or half the crew operating from a sprawling criminal hideout; the guys with the magic door remotes got busted, time to pack up and leave forever!

[Jacough]

Gangs would be alright if it just had two gangs. With three gangs one just ends up getting stomped early on and it's basically no fun for anyone who got converted to that one.

[TrustyGun]

Rework gangs so their objective isnt the dominator. We already have 2 other gamemodes which is just bunkering down around a structure for 5+ minutes.

Make it instead simpler objectives like "Be the last gang left standing at round end" or "control more territories than the other gangs" which will be funner and encourage actual gang activites

[PKPenguin321]

Gangs bunker down mechanic is more fun than clock cults imo

[ShadowDimentio]

They're both in the same league of shit.

[onleavedontatme]

Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

[PKPenguin321]

Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

>implants no longer de-gang or give any indication that the implantee is a gangster
would this work?

[cedarbridge]

Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

>implants no longer de-gang or give any indication that the implantee is a gangster
would this work?

I mean, you also have to consider the impact on sec vs the gangs. Eventually you're stuck with a station of guys that are all going feral but you can't use implants to stop the bleeding. So you upzip the armory and genocide the crew.

[PKPenguin321]

Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

>implants no longer de-gang or give any indication that the implantee is a gangster
would this work?

I mean, you also have to consider the impact on sec vs the gangs. Eventually you're stuck with a station of guys that are all going feral but you can't use implants to stop the bleeding. So you upzip the armory and genocide the crew.

they do this anyways

[BeeSting12]

Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

>implants no longer de-gang or give any indication that the implantee is a gangster
would this work?

I mean, you also have to consider the impact on sec vs the gangs. Eventually you're stuck with a station of guys that are all going feral but you can't use implants to stop the bleeding. So you upzip the armory and genocide the crew.

they do this anyways

yep pretty much. once implants run out, we start putting laser bolts through heads. either way i still maintain that gangs is better than clock cult.

[PKPenguin321]

Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

>implants no longer de-gang or give any indication that the implantee is a gangster
would this work?

I mean, you also have to consider the impact on sec vs the gangs. Eventually you're stuck with a station of guys that are all going feral but you can't use implants to stop the bleeding. So you upzip the armory and genocide the crew.

they do this anyways

yep pretty much. once implants run out, we start putting laser bolts through heads. either way i still maintain that gangs is better than clock cult.

the only point to implanting people in the first place is so you have more on your team to kill people not on your team

[BeeSting12]

I think gangs could be improved and once I learn to code I'm gonna make it that way. Right now I'm just looking at various parts of the code and scratching my head, completely clueless.

[Ikarrus]

I'm at least quite proud that I was able to actually make gang and iterate as much as I did considering I had no actual coding experience.

[TehSteveo]

I'm at least quite proud that I was able to actually make gang and iterate as much as I did considering I had no actual coding experience.

A lot why gang sucks is more due to the meta and not so much the gamemode being horrible. Just the idea didn't work as it's suppose to with the idea the gangs all fighting one another, but usually two gangs don't do much and get killed early where it just devolves into the gang vs security thus it just becomes a less fun version of revolution.