/tg/Station 13

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Hey man, you asked for the SHITTIEST, the GRIEFIEST.

Dark Souls is in the same sub-genre of multiplayer games as EVE online;
games where forcing PVP onto people who really don't want it is a major selling point.

Okay, granted, but I'm not that kind of guy to prey on newbies even though they're the only ones I have a chance to beat.

They gotta learn somehow.
They gonna learn today.

I think I'm going to go do this with an Assassin. The one-two supreme bullshit combination of Estoc and Buckler is too good.

Need suggestions for names:
"DISCONNECT NOW"
"WELCOMING COMMITTEE"
"STEAM REFUND AGENT"

"LEARNING CURVE"

"LINE ENDS HERE"

Too bad there's no gesture to bang your weapon on your shield so you can DING DONG

EndgamerAzari wrote:Okay, maybe not quite that shitty. I'm just picturing myself half-naked and flipping around, two-handing some obnoxiously long sword.

Also where is uchigatana and red orb I am scrub

Uchi is off the sword guy in the outside of Firelink, red eye is in high wall but you need to get to Undead Settlement and have a pale tongue
There's a guy next to the tall throne in Firelink that'll give you CREOs and the key to get the red orb

An0n3 wrote:They gotta learn somehow.
They gonna learn today.

I think I'm going to go do this with an Assassin. The one-two supreme bullshit combination of Estoc and Buckler is too good.

Need suggestions for names:
"DISCONNECT NOW"
"WELCOMING COMMITTEE"
"STEAM REFUND AGENT"

Also pick up Magic Weapon, Assassin starts with good enough stats to use it.
Other names:

"EGO ADJUSTER"
"CASULRIST" or "CASULBANE"
"RONE SPAM"
"PVP TUTORIAL"

Well, I've been finding MORE difficulty with non-casters, so I dunno man. And my EVE instincts are on full power. None can be trusted, assume all who approach are enemies, even sunbros and unalligned phantoms. The Grief is real.

I'm amazed by the Greataxe power, this thing is actually insane when it comes to damage. I've been rolling with it since I got the strength to wieild it. I never touched any great club after this, they feel too clunky to me now. And the Hyper-Armor at the end of your swing can catch so many people off-guard...Not even mentioning the riposte/backstab insta-kill with the Hornet Ring.

I've had a few people invading me, also - it seems that along with Anor Londo, Lothric Castle is one of those invasion hotspots. Got invaded not once, but TWICE.

First time, I just got ambushed by a Winged Knight with his double axes, not far from the start of the area. Of course, the son of a gun red phantom thought he could rush me while I was busy with the Knight.

NOOOOPE.

Got out of there as fast as I could, into an area I knew I cleared. We ended up facing of there - he had a straightsword, I had my greataxe. He was actually a smart one, too - as soon as I went back to one-handed, he only went for double R1s in order to avoid the parrying.
He made one fatal mistake at some point, however.
He only healed to 80%. "N'aaaaah, I'm fine"
When your opponent can remove 750HP in a double R1...Yeah, maybe not that smart in the end.

Second one, was a funny Katana dude, wearing Ornstein Armor, named "You died really.". He tried to ambush me as I opened the door leading out of the Sunbros Token Delivery Station.
He did not expect the roll into double-R1 that REMOVED HIS ENTIRE HEALTH POOL. Funny guy died on the spot.

Also the Faithfull as a covenant is absolutely disgusting. I've never dunked so many people.

I love being invaded even if I lose at least someone cares, about beating my face in.

IT BEGINS

I managed to get the red eye orb and membership into a few covenants without leveling up or upgrading any of my weapons.

ITS TIME TO TWINK, BABY

Level 10 Assassin with a Chloranthy Ring, Flynn's Ring, Flameplate Ring (maybe someone is a pyromancer, I dunno), and Blue Tearstone Ring (It's shit, but I have a free slot)
Weapon is a Raw Estoc (making it raw gives me +20AR or so)
Magic buffs it up to 211 AR altogether
Wearing Mirrah set with Assassin's Hood
Offhand is a Target Shield (parrying everything, fucking hilarious. parried the uchi master to death. parry lothric knights to death. parried the dark wraith to death for the orb. wish I had a hornet ring)
Also Equipping my Staff and a Longbow. Hit surprisingly hard with the longbow, actually. Almost 100 damage per arrow.
Spent all my souls on more firepots and throwing knives because why the fuck not.

Name is "NO FUN ALLOWED"

EDIT:

This garbage is too good not to stream. HMU on twitch fam
https://www.twitch.tv/an0n3live

25 successful invasions over a two hour stream.

Breddy gud.

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i can't

I CAN'T

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Not fair, don't care. Estoc is Bestoc.

What's that my r1 spam can be instantaneous and pretty much 2-3 guaranteed hits? Tell me more!

Seriously the other swords in the same weight class fucking pale next to it serves me right for doing lothric knight cosplay I guess.

Yea. may need to deviate from pyromancy mastery and pump a bunch into dex to play with that thing.

Yeah, I've been Estoc-ing in PvP and it is... unfair. It's quite possible to play against it at high skill levels, but it combines being a solid 1v1 option with a top-tier pair of noob-stompin' boots and a fantastic ability to exploit advantageous circumstances (lag on your opponent's end, mobs, other players.)

I've been using a rapier and that one frost rapier for most of the game. Kinda want to infuse my normal one to cause bleed or poison but I'm not sure if I should.

This shit looks fun.

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Nice to see people rocking bleed weapons.

Poison is pretty weak I only use it a little because the poison resin is easy to get.

Poison is garbage for PVP. It's way too slow.

Toxic is much better but the time you have to trap someone in a cloud, with how slow its casting speed is and all, makes it ridiculously easy to avoid. Unless you can trap your opponent in a piece of geometry somehow or you have a really solid bottleneck it'll never happen. Trust me, I've brought toxic cloud into tons of PVP fights and its only proc'ed maybe once. Most people know to just roll through it then kick your ass.

Bleed and Freeze are much better status ailments. Bleed can be buffed with things like Carthus resin, and luck affects how fast bleed builds up in a target. The Kukri throwing knife, in addition to dealing damage and interrupting sips, also contributes to a targets bleed rate. The spells Gnaw and Dorhys' Laughter also incur bleed damage. One of the great things about bleed damage is that there is no cool-down between Bleed proc'ing. If you hit someone enough to cause the bleed damage, continuing to hit them will immediately begin building towards a second bleed proc.

Freeze is only done by Irithyll weapons and can't be buffed.

For PVE there are a TON of situations where you can cheese something much more easily by applying poison or toxic to it. Mimics, for example, don't respond to having a cloud of that shit spewed right in their face and will quietly remain in their untriggered state as they die.

I tried to make a pyromancer for PvP and it just made me sad

Maybe it gets better once I get Chaos Bed Vestiges and Chaos Fireball, but at least before those it's shitty

Magic in general needs buffs.

I think a buff to casting speed, magic projectile speed, and magic damage is in order, if you ask me.

I got an invite from one of those "casual" groups because I didn't fight his gank squad honorably

I did what any smart invader should do and used the mobs to my advantage

If anyone wants to hang out in High Wall and just form a gank-unit I'm in. Luring people in to just gangbang them 3v1 could make for good television.

How would you feel about a /tg/station Anor Londo War Party?

Aldrich Faithful are disgusting, I want to get a crew together, march into anor londo with three phantoms, and ram metal things into places they shouldn't be on every Aldrich Faithful who invades.

I think I'm near 100+ hours played and still 0 blue sentinel summons. Very frustrating. I put way of blue on for a while and I got a guy who was summoned, took one hit from the invader, then ran away and black crystaled out. I got double invaded in the catacombs (I use dried finger solo ember to try and help my blue bros out) and I killed the invaders before they even spawned in.
Meanwhile, Mound Makers continue to be the best covenant in the game, and in any souls game.

I got summoned as a Darkmoon once but the guy got murdered by the host right as I arrived and I got nothing for it. Or maybe he fell off a cliff. I didn't get to see.

What level for Anal Rodeo baitfest?

I'm at level 58 with my highest upgrade being +6 and I get summoned every 10 seconds as aldritch faithful

My main is level 70 so we'll use that as a base for Anal Rodeo, I see plenty of Faithful invasions.

I'd be game, and you can always run passwords to summon higher mm tiers, they just get scaled down

Not sure what I have near 70 right now though

I can speedrun some kind of lucky bastard bleed build there in short order.

I dunno how well magic works with scaledown but your pyromancer would also be welcome if you can bring her, from what I've seen magic can actually be useful in big multi-person fights since you can hit people from behind.

Actually getting on to check, I have a quality-ish build at 86 that could be summoned by a 70

Drynwyn wrote:I dunno how well magic works with scaledown but your pyromancer would also be welcome if you can bring her, from what I've seen magic can actually be useful in big multi-person fights since you can hit people from behind.

My Pyro lady is up at 120 now. If we use the password system I think you could still summon her.

I could, yeah. Sounds like we could do this tonight/tomorrow night?

You can always summon someone when you have a password down (as long as you havent beaten the boss yet, but you can still summon red sign soapstones with a password at any point anywhere)

Fuck, I just realized I've beaten the boss in Anal Rodeo- Anon, can you speedrun the luckbleedguy there to serve as host?

Well finally got back into the game after my crushing disappointment with the lothric sword. Finally caved into the estoc meta and well even PVE the difference is shattering plowed through 2 bosses it just seemed like the lothric sword was taking forever with one of which when it was +4 to the swords +6. I can take attacks of opportunity with it whenever I fucking want whenever I could have taken maybe 2 swings with the piddle sword I can make a full combo. With both of them at +6 refined 30 dex and str the lothric sword only has 9 more scaling despite having much less base damage than the estoc than that it weighs less this is all before buffs this is crazy.

The thief has the absolute worst starting shit. Jesus that was a chore.

>the one character who starts with a weapon designed to capitalize on ripostes
>small shield that doesn't get the bonus riposte frames
>assassin gets one but not thief
>assassin also has an estoc, catalyst, spells, and a full suit of armor
>thief doesn't even get gloves
>gets the worst bow in the game
>only gets 30 arrows for it

Somehow I still managed to parry Gundr though, and stab him in the fucking chest. Felt real fuckin' good.

Incomptinence wrote:Well finally got back into the game after my crushing disappointment with the lothric sword. Finally caved into the estoc meta and well even PVE the difference is shattering plowed through 2 bosses it just seemed like the lothric sword was taking forever with one of which when it was +4 to the swords +6. I can take attacks of opportunity with it whenever I fucking want whenever I could have taken maybe 2 swings with the piddle sword I can make a full combo. With both of them at +6 refined 30 dex and str the lothric sword only has 9 more scaling despite having much less base damage than the estoc than that it weighs less this is all before buffs this is crazy.

Estoc is Bestoc- not only can you no-skil-r1-spam with it, but it's got great high-skill play, as well.

The Estoc is a good example of why I wonder how the multiplayer PVP gets valued so highly.

It's fun, and it's a rush, but it's a total shitshow of stuff like this. It's all about finding an angle on the game that is the least fair way to play and then constructing a character around that. It's your choice between doing that or getting crushed by someone who did that.

It's not so much a fighting game as it is a competitive sandcastle kicking simulator. Who can invade and ruin someone's playthrough the best? Who can interfere with someone else's fun? Who can build the next level of cheese that makes everyone else look at their cheese and think "Fuck, I wasted my time building this."

And that's fun and I enjoy it. But at some point you have to admit to yourself that you're half a piece of shit for enjoying it on any level beyond co-op PVE playthroughs.

Isn't there a covenant that disables invasions so you don't get munchkinned on?

Zilenan91 wrote:Isn't there a covenant that disables invasions so you don't get munchkinned on?

The Brotherhood of the Offline

Or that yeah but then you can't PvE with friends at the same time.

An0n3 wrote: And that's fun and I enjoy it. But at some point you have to admit to yourself that you're half a piece of shit for enjoying it on any level beyond co-op PVE playthroughs.

Perhaps in the end we are all the dung pie, true lore found.

Zilenan91 wrote:Or that yeah but then you can't PvE with friends at the same time.

Invaders are at an insane disadvantage if you have summons.

Oh yeah you can poop on dudes if you got summons but it's nice to just not deal with that and mess around with friends rather than getting invaded by some twink with a broadsword

I wish Undead Hunter Charms lasted a lot longer than they did.

I don't think Dark Souls PvP was ever about fairness. What the game needs is more areas that are like Sen's Funhouse, crazy trap filled places with plenty of chances to ambush and be ambushed.

Primo invasion spots are mob-dependent. Your best options for that are

Farron (dem crabs, those big fuckers with the tree stumps, also everyone stuck trudging through poison)
Chapel of Aldrich (silver knight archer fuckery)
The Dungeon (Jailers' HP debuff ruins peoples' lives, narrow corridor structure prevents hosts from running and helps prevent you from getting surrounded by BIG HOE AND THE PHANTOM BOYS)

I'm way too low to participate. Imma just be happy I got the pyromancy guy and am expanding my spell set. I'm moving along slowly but surely. I'm enjoying the trip to be honest.