/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:06 pm**

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Here's two builds I currently run:
Highwayman
Highwayman
Antiquarian
Vestal

The Highwaymen alternately use D Advance to gain Riposté and take turns using point-blank shot to chew through Front-liners, I keep Wicked Slice and Pistol Shot/Tracking Shot in reserve for those annoying enemies.
The Antiquarian's big deal is that she Uses Protect Me! on one of the Highwaymen to greatly increase the chance of triggering riposté and provide moderate buffs to the team.
Vestal's the dedicated healer, I sometimes swap her out for an Occultist if they're healing derangments/quirks.

Next build:
Crusader
Highwayman
Vestal
Occultist

Crusader uses Smite, Bulwark of Faith, Zealous Accusation and Holy Lance. Bulwark of Faith encourages enemies to go for him whilst buffing PROT in addition to raising the light level by one whole level with each use in battle.
Highwayman uses the same strategy as the other Highwaymen in the other build
Vestal has healing+light skills, using stuns and debuffs while providing a stable heal.
Occultist is the Wildcard healer and for when somebody gets seriously hurt. He also has Daemon's Pull for clearing corpses and the hex de-buffing skills for fucking with enemies.

Fairly effective build and I rarely ever take torches with it unless its a long-run since they pretty much keep the torch lit by themselves.

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:26 pm**

CosmicScientist wrote:Neither steam's F12 nor printscreen works?

F12 works but I don't like the steam's screenshot thingy

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:55 pm**

Malkevin wrote:Cold Waters.

It's a Cold War era sub sim, whilst it's not a true sim like Dangerous Waters (which is on such an old engine it can't run without a mod) it does manage to be more sim than arcade with pretty in depth sonar modelling, naval tactics, and torpedoes that are real bastards to shake (most sub games you can dump a counter measure and hard rudder and the torp will either detonate on the counter measure or sail past and carry straight on going have no idea where you are. These torps though are complete gits, they will navigate around the counter measure and reacquire their lock or they will circle around until they spot you again).

It's got a fairly good persistent dynamic campaign mode (three campaigns, one mid cold war, one late cold war, and another post cold war china), you sail around the map (which looks a bit shit tbh) and doing missions command issues you.
As I said, it is persistent so any damage you take and weapons you expend stay with you until you head back to port.

The one thing I really hate about it though is that it makes a big deal about sub launched missiles being stand off weapons but you can't set up your own ambushes (the contacts on map are 'encounters') and the game will always dump you within 25kyds of the target. Which is tiny when you consider that the range of harpoon is 200kyds and a TASM is 2,000kyds.
Usually it dumps you within 10kyds so that superior american stealth tech is pretty damned pointless.

So how are you supposed to dodge a torp then? Can you dump a noise maker then go above/under the layer to lose it?

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:39 pm**

Grazyn wrote:
Malkevin wrote:Cold Waters.

It's a Cold War era sub sim, whilst it's not a true sim like Dangerous Waters (which is on such an old engine it can't run without a mod) it does manage to be more sim than arcade with pretty in depth sonar modelling, naval tactics, and torpedoes that are real bastards to shake (most sub games you can dump a counter measure and hard rudder and the torp will either detonate on the counter measure or sail past and carry straight on going have no idea where you are. These torps though are complete gits, they will navigate around the counter measure and reacquire their lock or they will circle around until they spot you again).

It's got a fairly good persistent dynamic campaign mode (three campaigns, one mid cold war, one late cold war, and another post cold war china), you sail around the map (which looks a bit shit tbh) and doing missions command issues you.
As I said, it is persistent so any damage you take and weapons you expend stay with you until you head back to port.

The one thing I really hate about it though is that it makes a big deal about sub launched missiles being stand off weapons but you can't set up your own ambushes (the contacts on map are 'encounters') and the game will always dump you within 25kyds of the target. Which is tiny when you consider that the range of harpoon is 200kyds and a TASM is 2,000kyds.
Usually it dumps you within 10kyds so that superior american stealth tech is pretty damned pointless.
So how are you supposed to dodge a torp then? Can you dump a noise maker then go above/under the layer to lose it?

Well the most effective way is to launch a decoy torpedo that the enemy torps will track instead of you, if you're able to get it out far enough that they can't then lock on to you after passing the decoy but close enough that the torps will have become active and started tracking.

Then you've got noise makers you can poop out to confuse them whilst you remember that the sub-sea is 3D and do a hard climb/dive whilst turning.
You can also slap your rudder whilst going max speed to form a 'knuckle', which is a disturbance of water that acts like a decoy but much shorter lived - but you can do it often enough that it will be your main way of evading torps.

Posted: **Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:53 pm**

Knuckles are bae, but Malk's explanation is only half of it.
Rudder hard to one side at shallow depth and full speed, then rudder hard to the other when you're in the turn. Doesn't seem to work all that well against Chinese torps, though.

Posted: **Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:25 am**

started playing ffxiv

didn't think I'd really like mmo games or this game at all even but its been really enjoyable so far

Posted: **Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:40 pm**

What server? If it happens to be mine I'll hook you up with some shiny gear

Posted: **Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:45 am**

picked up what remains of edith finch
molly and lewis, man, shit got real

Posted: **Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:30 am**

XSI wrote:What server? If it happens to be mine I'll hook you up with some shiny gear

highest is on goblin but made another on diabolos to play with friends

Posted: **Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:32 am**

Nowhere near me then

Good luck though, it's an amusing game and holy shit random pubs are terrible

Posted: **Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:55 am**

Picked up a Switch recently. Breath of the Wild is a better game than Skyrim. Change my mind.

Posted: **Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:52 am**

Skyrim was worst game in elder scrolls series, so it's not hard to beat

Posted: **Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:53 am**

not the worst

but the worst main entry

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:51 am**

Just don't have bad RNG lol

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:40 am**

If you brought good enough damage, you wouldn't have needed to heal

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:30 am**

Jester is so unappreciated.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:50 am**

Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you Cosmic. You can switch out combat/camping skills at any time so long as you're not in combat. And you can use items in combat without it going towards your character's turn, so you can pop a bandage on the bleeding leper and throw a chop at an enemy on his turn

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:19 pm**

starmute wrote:Jester is so unappreciated.

I think it is more that he has fallen out of favor since the CC finale nerfs made a certain very broken build no longer viable. He is now basically a must-take for prolonged Endless Mode runs just because there is not really many better options for stress management and he has some versatility with his bleed and mobility skills

Spoiler:

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:41 pm**

Never much cared for european history or historical games, but EU4 is pretty awesome so far playing my first GSG as Castile.

Now I'm super interested european history.

Posted: **Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:56 pm**

Ikarrus wrote:Never much cared for european history or historical games, but EU4 is pretty awesome so far playing my first GSG as Castile.

Now I'm super interested european history.

>Castile

Play venice and get on my level nerd

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:13 am**

CosmicScientist wrote:>go after siren again
>take houndmaster, bounty hunter, crusader, leper
>kill pretty much everyone before anyone drops below half health
>bounty hunter is the only one without a heal and the only one who dodged everything aimed at him
>use houndmaster's party stress prevention, leper's bloody bandages for bleeding, bounty hunter's +25% damage planned takedown, crusader's leader stress prevention
>pop holy water on everyone before the battle
>bounty hunter follows the siren's song, repeatedly
>just smash down the siren bit by bit and she never summons a guard
>forgot I took 5 bandages in

It's times like these I wonder why I always take a class for utility or companion healing over damage. Though if she took my crusader or leper, I'd probably have suffered a different fate.

I'm not crazy about leper. Hound is god tier though since he is a jack of all trades and a master of some. Dunno why you took crusader aside from self heals. Stats wise bounty hunter is OK but marks are pretty useless.

Also this
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Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:51 am**

>Marks are useless
Only if you don't build a party around them, if you make a Marking Party, marks get very good

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:02 pm**

You're probably bleeding gold by giving more than the bare minimum to low-level heroes. Heroes below resolve level 3 aren't worth sending to the sanatorium in 90% of cases and you shouldn't be buying trinkets from the nomads unless it's for 5th level heroes or higher

Some party comps do better or worse in different dungeons, but a good all rounder is:
Vestal / Bounty Hunter / Hound Master / Leper
Give the Vestal generic healbot abilities - Judment / Dazzling Light / Divine Grace / Divine Comfort
Give the Bounty Hunter - Collect Bounty / Mark for Death / Come Hither / Flashbang or Caltrops (depends on the dungeon)
Give the Hound Master - Hound's Rush / Blackjack / Guard Dog / Target Whistle
And finally, give the Leper - Chop / Withstand / Solemnity / Intimidate

I've never run into a problem this composition couldn't handle, has great damage output and can lay down debuffs for days, and even has Marking synergy in the form of the Hound Master and Bounty Hunter's abilities.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:11 pm**

The new Zedternal gamemode for KF2 in the workshop was a breath of fresh air into the game. It's a pain in the ass to set up but damn was it worth it.

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:36 pm**

I'll take the bounty hunter anywhere tbh. Wounding helmet plus legendary bracer and he is packing a whopping +45% damage before marks. I usually take collect bounty, finish them off (hits the third row which kicks ass and synergises well with a PD) his mark (in many cases the prot debuff is better than the dodge debuff on the culty/HM's marks) and then either caltrops or uppercut stun. You lose out on his utility powers due to the debuffs from wounding helmet but hes such a fucking powerhouse its totally worth it.

I also love my boi leper just because of his massive base damage. Load him up with good trinkets (the front row damage boost and legendary bracer/dismas head are good ones) and then give him any +damage curio buffs you come across and he becomes a fucking force of nature. I recently had a level 3 leper hitting up to 40 damage on non-crits from buffstacking, its madness. I also usually give him hew just because it is useful for clearing shitties like low level skeletons, spiders and maggots

Posted: **Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:53 pm**

VERMINTIDE 2 DOUBLE XP WEEKEND BAYBEE

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:59 am**

Don't get me wrong, the lepper has great base damage. He just can't hit anything half of the time.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:22 pm**

I made a new account and started playing eve online again

Help me

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:40 pm**

Qbmax32 wrote:I made a new account and started playing eve online again

Help me

I tried that. I just can't get into it enough to throw money at it.

To be fair if I actually started playing I would be the most boring player ever. I already thought it out. At one point I cosplayed as Viola Cadaverini I kinda wanted to be a loan shark in game so I could start up a real life Tender Lender.

Posted: **Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:06 pm**

Eve is F2P now, with some restrictions.
But for a casual fag you've got enough there.

There's new exploration mechanics and apparently corps pay good money for your findings, but I lost interest pretty quick when I remembered that mining in eve is even more boring than elite (although atleast with eve mining you can go off and do something around the house) so didn't look much into exploration.

Posted: **Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:29 pm**

Malkevin wrote:Eve is F2P now, with some restrictions.
But for a casual fag you've got enough there.

There's new exploration mechanics and apparently corps pay good money for your findings, but I lost interest pretty quick when I remembered that mining in eve is even more boring than elite (although atleast with eve mining you can go off and do something around the house) so didn't look much into exploration.

Mining is god awful terrible never do it

Trading, ratting etc is much more interesting and profitable than mining

Posted: **Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:47 pm**

Apparently mining is getting an overhaul sometime at the end of this year, including making it actually pay something worth the time it takes and the risk of having to bring a ship that isn't fitted for combat

but right now? dear god, do literally anything else.

Posted: **Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:20 pm**

I remember it was more profitable resource wise to run missions for the NPCs, bookmark the locations, and then recycle the scrap salvage components than it was to mine

Mining is only for when you're going afk in highsec or some kind of corp op where you've got 10 of you clearing a belt

Posted: **Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:33 am**

I got my Hurricane ready. Are we ratting?

Posted: **Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:29 pm**

I have had a streak of outrageously bad luck in my Darkest Dungeon stream game, to the point where I nearly had a full party wipe on what is normally the easiest type of mission possible (short recruit level ruins mission). Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong spectacularly, and only two afflicted deaths door heros limped home from that shitfest. If my crusader hadnt made those deaths door saves it would have been a full wipe since the jester had no skills he could use from the front row.

This torchless run has really made me feel the fucking pain this game is capable of inflicting on the human mind

Posted: **Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:50 pm**

Holy parties are usually better at torch management due to their light skills. I don't think any other party members has any that increase light, bar the Arbaleist 's signal flare

Posted: **Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:02 pm**

Yeah i still use those abilities, i just snuff the torch out instantly so it doesn't matter. Can't part with my vestal stun.

On the other hand, certain trinkets like the Dark Bracer become stupidly powerful on a no torch run. A permanent +10% crit chance on top of the +3 crit chance from full dark is absurd

Posted: **Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:03 pm**

in EU4 Is it normal to get bored once you blob to a point where it feels like I'm just running away with the game?

As Spain I took morocco, france, low countries, and all of south america and I'm getting a ridiculous +150 income per month

It's so boring now I think I might just start a new game.

Posted: **Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:45 am**

Ikarrus wrote:in EU4 Is it normal to get bored once you blob to a point where it feels like I'm just running away with the game?

As Spain I took morocco, france, low countries, and all of south america and I'm getting a ridiculous +150 income per month

It's so boring now I think I might just start a new game.

Play as something else. Not as Spain or a Major. Try something hard.

Posted: **Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:23 am**

Tbh it feels to me like most paradox/4x games are just glorified clickers where blobbing is the winning condition. Are your numbers high enough to expand in the nearest square/hex/solar system? No? Keep clicking until they are, rinse, repeat.

Posted: **Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:58 pm**

Mostly, yes

Some of them have other factors like CK2's interpersonal stuff and Victoria 2's industry, but you can ignore all that to blob

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:15 am**

Dark souls 3 has consumed a week of my life now send help

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:37 am**

Recently exhumed Seven Kingdoms 2.
Which is more like what, Eleven Kingdoms.
Though I'm playing as lizard Fryhtan, obviously.

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:31 pm**

That game is greatly underrated

Though I played the first a bunch more than the second

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:52 pm**

Can't quite play the first anymore, my system is too modern.

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:27 pm**

Stellaris: Degenerate edition

Can't post screenshots outside of the hut obviously, annnnd I'm outta the hut so you'll just have to take my word for it

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:48 pm**

free the rabbit

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:11 pm**

How degenerate are we talking?

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:44 pm**

Are we talking loverslab levels of degeneracy?

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:12 pm**

It's the porn mod, isn't it

Posted: **Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:43 pm**

XSI wrote:It's the porn mod, isn't it

Malkevin wrote:Are we talking loverslab levels of degeneracy?

Yes

The Need to Breed trait is super broken to be honest. You'll max out your resources in minutes if you make use of the Sexual Expansion edict (which lasts for 130 years FYI). The only downside is that it sends your research straight into the toilet and gives you -90% research collection.

Oh and you can literally breed enemy empires of existence, which is fun.

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