Nanotrasen Inc Needs You! (EVE online)

Sum Ting Wong · Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:09 pm

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cedarbridge wrote: Except most of those "changes that threaten their monopoly" were either suggested, championed by, or lobbied for by GSF/CFC. Tech? We told CCP that was going to be a problem before it first spiked and they did nothing until OTEC had already done its thing for an eon and we'd even run a stupid ad on the Alliance tourney making fun of it. Remote controlled drone blobs? We even mentioned in the fleet doctrine announcement when we started that stupid gimmick that we were going to abuse it until CCP listened and nerfed it. The forums are noise, we're influential because we're visible so we can effectively lampshade poor balance choices CCP makes and they have no real choice but to do something about it when an entity as large as us abuses it.

What about those Mobile Siphon Units? I seem to recall your alliance holding a very strong view of them during the months before they were changed. Do you think that they were championed too? Speaking of which, doesn't your alliance also hold an incredibly large amount of Guidance Systems stocked up somewhere? Rumor has it that you folks tried to buy up as much as you could before the PI goods went up for Siphon production.

12 mil to produce, harder to deploy en-masse, but easier production mat sales to poor scrublets. You guys also loved Siphons so much that you neglected to mention to CCP that they can be detected through API.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:15 am #55171

Sum Ting Wong wrote:
cedarbridge wrote: Except most of those "changes that threaten their monopoly" were either suggested, championed by, or lobbied for by GSF/CFC. Tech? We told CCP that was going to be a problem before it first spiked and they did nothing until OTEC had already done its thing for an eon and we'd even run a stupid ad on the Alliance tourney making fun of it. Remote controlled drone blobs? We even mentioned in the fleet doctrine announcement when we started that stupid gimmick that we were going to abuse it until CCP listened and nerfed it. The forums are noise, we're influential because we're visible so we can effectively lampshade poor balance choices CCP makes and they have no real choice but to do something about it when an entity as large as us abuses it.
What about those Mobile Siphon Units? I seem to recall your alliance holding a very strong view of them during the months before they were changed. Do you think that they were championed too? Speaking of which, doesn't your alliance also hold an incredibly large amount of Guidance Systems stocked up somewhere? Rumor has it that you folks tried to buy up as much as you could before the PI goods went up for Siphon production.

12 mil to produce, harder to deploy en-masse, but easier production mat sales to poor scrublets. You guys also loved Siphons so much that you neglected to mention to CCP that they can be detected through API.

Our stockpiles of guidance systems are all privately held. Anyone with the foresight to stockpile them before the production changes (before my time unfortunately) could do the same. Seriously though, those are all privately held fortunes (or not) and the only tab anyone at the alliance level has on them is a voluntary "role call" thread where people post to smug about their personal troves and wiser men datamine for total possible holdings.
I can't remember a time in the CFC (I operate as a FC at the alliance level remember) where we seriously gave a shit about siphons. At all.

Post by **lumipharon** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:26 am #55175

The CFC were the very best position after the jump changes. The CFC relied far less on bfeing able to project capital forces across the map then PL and N3. The very proof of that is the fact the CFC is enaged on multiple fronts and handling it tidly. Where as N3 and PL can no longer rely on each other/other allies to drop the hammer from across the map if they drop their own super capital fleet. The CFC have assloads of people. This means that objectively speaking, they will beat any opponent in a game of attrition. People like BL/PL/NC can field numbers to match or beat the CFC in a fight. But when you have fight after fight for weeks, these smaller, "elite" alliances don't have the stamina to compete. That's because they need a very high % participation rate compared to the CFC to match them, and you can't expect people to be able to show up for every fight. With the CFC, they don't need to.

And yeah with Tech, Mittani went out of his way to point out how retarded it was having this one rediculously valuable moon mineral, which has a natural geographic monopoly. Then sat on most of it and proved the point, telling CCP at every turn to fix it, until they did. Pretty ironic, considering the moongoo change was done supposedly to shake up the old game of 'only R64's were valuable'. Now the CFC make bank on the renting empire.

And Anon, you misunderstand. I don't fly in big fleets, ever. Even if I wanted to I don't often have the time to do it. I only do small scale fighting, solo'ing with my slicer or roaming with my corp. That or kill nerds in my aeon. I just can't be assed sitting in game doing nothing, partly because my laptop gets hot enough to boil an egg. So people just ping me on jabber when shit is happening.

Removing goons, or never having goons in the game wouldn't have helped anything. It's only logical in a game like this. If you want to beat someone, you need either superior doctrine, or better numbers. Ideally both. Goons are very successful because they have a very robust leadership structure, and somethingawful is a steady supply of new recruits. You saw a similar thing happen with Test, but A: digg is cancerous, and B: They had shitty leadership and loads of fair weather members.
So anyway, with or without goons, it's only logical that an alliance with friends is more likely to win then one without them. Those that don't have friends, that cant escalate the fight, lose. They keep losing, moral breaks, and the alliance disbands. Alliances that have friends, that are able to throw the bodies and the ships into the fight win, and get stronger. Then there is no logical reason to let new comers into the null game, without choosing a side. The logical end to this is less and less groups, but them getting larger and larger.

Basically EVERY party involved has AGREED that this is not good for the long term health of the game, but just like technetium, or tracking titans and every other winning mechanic, just because people think it's fucking retarded from a game design standpoint, doesn't mean they're going to crucify themselves by not taking advantage of it.

The jump changes have helped, but we'll have to wait for the sov changes to see how successful CCP will be with tackling this problem.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:01 am #55180

Brave are the new goons tbh

But hey I enjoy my trading shenanigans and ive made b a n k (okay not that much bank only like 1.5 billion but it's growing)

Sum Ting Wong · Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:56 am

cedarbridge wrote: Our stockpiles of guidance systems are all privately held. Anyone with the foresight to stockpile them before the production changes (before my time unfortunately) could do the same. Seriously though, those are all privately held fortunes (or not) and the only tab anyone at the alliance level has on them is a voluntary "role call" thread where people post to smug about their personal troves and wiser men datamine for total possible holdings.
I can't remember a time in the CFC (I operate as a FC at the alliance level remember) where we seriously gave a shit about siphons. At all.

I was in .-A-. at the time of rubicon. Word down from leadership was that goons were making motions to buy up as much as they could on the available market. It wasn't so much a coordinated effort as it was 'hey guys free isk come rubicon spread the word!' type of thing. Some vets who had been stockpiling that particular material for a long time had ended up making tens of billions, but those people didn't make the biggest impact. I suspect that this was part of some greater scheme to drive the price up given that nobody in their right mind would willingly tell a legion of newbies about the most profitable good on the market.

On a strategic level Siphons were meant to represent a small nick in the moon goo fortune. On a practical level they were implemented to force AFK POS owners to watch their stations more carefully and give new players a reason to venture out of their comfort zone. The increase in mineral requirements, mass and the general vacuum created by eager rookie traders right before rubicon broke them completely. It takes somewhere around sixteen full hours of cycles for one to earn back its worth on a standard moon, but the owner of the tower can know the exact moment when you anchor that thing around the bubble because of the API. It's useless.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:13 am #55197

ColonicAcid wrote:Brave are the new goons tbh

But hey I enjoy my trading shenanigans and ive made b a n k (okay not that much bank only like 1.5 billion but it's growing)

I scammed 2b off high sec nerds in my first two months. You're on the track to making real money, friend.

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:45 pm #55301

I only log in to train nowadays. Got over 10mil sp, got most EWAR skills up to lvl 5 I think I'm currently training for cruiser V for falcons/rooks.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:46 pm #55312

Ye got like 12 days before I can use a cerberus.

Fuckin cruiser v takes like a whole month ;_;

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:32 pm #55319

I know mang, got 7 days left on cruiser V. After I got falcon/rook, gonna flesh out my missile and gunnery.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:23 pm #55349

Wew same.
I mean I can use T2 Light and Heavy Missiles but that's really about it, need them supplementary skills mang.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:29 pm #55351

Let me tell you guys about training FC 5 and Jump Drive Calibration 5.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:47 pm #55356

90 days no sweat.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:00 pm #55363

ColonicAcid wrote:90 days no sweat.

Bonus points to my fellow FC who managed to be too retarded to upgrade their clone 4 times and lost FC5 each time.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:03 pm #55364

lmao that's a fucking year lost because of clone shittery

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 6:42 pm #55373

>tfw you accidentally buy a 70mil sp clone instead of a 7mil sp clone

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:17 pm #55393

don't you lose just 10% of the SP gap that your clone didn't cover?

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:32 pm #55399

no you lose a skill in most cases.
a random skill afaik, if you're unlucky its FC5 that goes, if you're lucky it's like a newbie starting skill.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:48 pm #55402

ColonicAcid wrote:lmao that's a fucking year lost because of clone shittery

We only ever stopped giving him shit over it because he caused Asakai. So, now we get to give him shit for that instead.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:49 pm #55403

ColonicAcid wrote:no you lose a skill in most cases.
a random skill afaik, if you're unlucky its FC5 that goes, if you're lucky it's like a newbie starting skill.

I believe its the highest rank from your last completed skill or your most expensive skill. So generally its awful shit like Command Ships V, FC 5, JDC 5, or (formerly general) Racial Battlecruiser 5.

Sum Ting Wong · Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:08 pm

SP loss is still a thing?

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:50 pm #55420

not any more.
actually i think only with t3 shit can you lose skills
but clone sp loss is no longer

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:10 pm #55424

Oh, that's right. They got rid of cloneloss didn't they?

Post by **Fatal** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:49 pm #55437

How active is the NT EVE corp? I've played EVE on and off for the last like, 8 years but, not really properly for a very long time, tempting to get back in if we have an active corp

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:04 pm #55445

right now? not very active.
we used to actually be alright in activity a few months ago and we even ran one small pvp incursion which ended in me losing my condor to a fuckin jamming field infested with russian 'cepts but otherwise it was p. fun.

you can join the 4chink corp who apparantly took their first bit of nullsec space if you're so inclined but as of this moment nanotrasen inc. is dead bar anons brother.

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:28 pm #55448

ColonicAcid wrote:right now? not very active.
we used to actually be alright in activity a few months ago and we even ran one small pvp incursion which ended in me losing my condor to a fuckin jamming field infested with russian 'cepts but otherwise it was p. fun.

you can join the 4chink corp who apparantly took their first bit of nullsec space if you're so inclined but as of this moment nanotrasen inc. is dead bar anons brother.

Which one this time? There's been 5 or so now.

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:43 pm #55631

I loaned the corp to my younger brother for his massive alt army's use. He's currently sitting on something like 40+ billion ISK from buying and selling characters.

I'm too busy trying to get a bunch of other shit done to play right now. No idea when I'll be back.

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:02 pm #58008

dont forget to redeem your 20 days of free alt training on the website, it expires in like a day or less

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:35 pm #64651

cerberus get
gitting gud in solo pvp with kestrel still not get

cedarbridge · Post by **cedarbridge** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:57 am #64828

ColonicAcid wrote:cerberus get
gitting gud in solo pvp with kestrel still not get

Fly an honortanked arty wolf like a real man.

Comrade Leo · Post by **Comrade Leo** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:54 pm #64851

I got falcon and rook not too long ago too. Working on getting all my missiles to T2.

Post by **lumipharon** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:33 pm #64922

Rook's damage bonus applies to RLML's now, which is pretty handy.
Curse is stilled besst though.

M0nsoon · Post by **M0nsoon** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:24 am #66589

10 more days and I'll have my Incursion fit Legion!
Then I'll never have to be a poor space hobo again

Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:03 pm

Move into wormholes.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:42 am #105302

WE BACK BOYS

MY CERBERUS LOOKS FUCKING GR8

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:34 am #105455

I bugged my brother to see how he's doing and what the corp might be up to.

He's made billions upon billions of isk buying and selling characters on the forums, apparently he's now commanding some robot army down in lowsec and took part in some giant fleet battle that happened recently that made the EVE news. I don't know if the Nanotrasen Corp itself is involved or if he's created some other puppet organization to handle it.

ColonicAcid · Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:16 am

Yeah he left the corp and made you CEO again AFAIK.

Post by **lumipharon** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:54 pm #105610

Everyone should just get mid-grade snakes and an Orthrus.

It's the most hilariously fun shit.

>Fly overheated at over 6km/s.
>Point and missile range over 60km.
>Scram nerds at 26km so you literally cannot get caught unless you're a retard/run into rapier web range.
>Do over 600dps with RLML's, letting you 2 volley frigate sized shit.
>Tank over 1000dps with your ASB, if something can actually hit you

Once you have a handful of orthrus flying together, you can absolutely assblast shit.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 2:09 pm #105848

PL Nerd here,

Whats up yo.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:49 pm #105927

Do N3 even exist anymore.

I haven't kept up with nullsec politics and neither have I watched Talladar yet.

[youtube]LmS9vcVNr5A[/youtube]
fucking garmon
"GO IN NOW, RAPIERS IS YOUR FUCKING PRIMARY, RAPIERS IS THE FUCKING PRIMARY EVERYONE TO RAPIERS NOW ALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:10 am #106150

Who wants me to yank half of BLs Capital Reserve hanger.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:18 pm #106187

Funnel all their funds to me and I'll keep them no questions asked.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:21 pm #106188

ColonicAcid wrote:Funnel all their funds to me and I'll keep them no questions asked.

I can take 14 fitted dreads and about 30 fitted triage carriers.

You can have the liquid isk from the assets if you want.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:19 pm #106227

yo that would be cool as shit.

>inb4 i become Black Legion's remnants biggest fucking target
lmao

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:21 pm #106229

ColonicAcid wrote:yo that would be cool as shit.

>inb4 i become Black Legion's remnants biggest fucking target
lmao

I have plenty of characters to burn, trust me.

My super character isn't even subbed ayyyy.

ColonicAcid · Post by **ColonicAcid** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:36 pm #106236

>tfw jefftheraider will never pat you into bed and whisper in your ear "it's okay lets go play chivalry no mad."

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:50 pm #106253

I love jeff, he's fucking shit at chiv though.

Post by **lumipharon** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:11 pm #106295

Pls gib isk.

Seriously, I have my aeon but no slave implants anymore, that's just fucking sad.

ColonicAcid · Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:59 pm

m8 ive gotta fund my manticore solo pvp incursion addiction though......

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:22 pm #136794

I got 10 bil, took me a while.

Thinking of going into lowsec, had some time in WHs and null.

callanrockslol · Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:12 am

I got an email about DUST514 and apparently it only started making money after the generation ended.

Post by **lumipharon** » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:48 am #137090

I don't know what the fuck they were thinking, puttin dust on a console.
They have finite (and short) life spans, before everyone upgrades to the next one, where as a pc game has far better staying power.