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Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:17 am
by cedarbridge
iRazgriz wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
miggles wrote:you act like zeus isnt a top tier hero
hes a pretty common pick in pro games, because hes great

This is true. Thundergod's Wrath is a x5 big damage nuke that cannot miss. That's a big deal in a teamfight. (now how most pub game scrubs use it to snipe kills off other players because lelzoos)

Partially incorrect. A smoke of deceit can save your ass if you're running and low on HP, as being invis protects you from the damage.

This would be relevant if people actually did stupid things like pop smoke in the middle of teamfights and if it worked.

Also, nobody drafts a team with the idea "I can't pick that guy they'll gank him!!!" Stop getting ganked scrub.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:55 pm
by ColonicAcid
>nobody drafts a team with the idea "I can't pick that guy they'll gank him!!!"
>hello this is mr. Nevermore I would like to speak to a señor cedarbridge.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:14 pm
by cedarbridge
ColonicAcid wrote:>nobody drafts a team with the idea "I can't pick that guy they'll gank him!!!"
>hello this is mr. Nevermore I would like to speak to a señor cedarbridge.

Except he gets drafted all the time. I'm not seeing your point.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:26 pm
by ColonicAcid
Yeah but many times teams don't pick him because he's bad at escaping ganks.
Find me one instance where they picked a nevermore after someone like batrider was picked.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:57 pm
by cedarbridge
ColonicAcid wrote:Yeah but many times teams don't pick him because he's bad at escaping ganks.
Find me one instance where they picked a nevermore after someone like batrider was picked.

Feels like you're kinda oversimplifying. Picking Nevermore into Batrider is just bad because the matchup is bad in general. The ability of one to gank the other is icing at that point. Even without his ult, Bat shouldn't be losing to SF. Since we started talking about zoos though, he's just as gankable, but I've seen him picked twice now in the Asia Championships so far into a batrider and shit on the bat both times. The difference in that case is zoos can actually fight batrider.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:00 pm
by cedarbridge
In other news, playing Axe with my ~casual~ friends is no end of hilarious

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:44 am
by iRazgriz
I am only on a lose streak of 10 :^)

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:10 pm
by iRazgriz
paprika wrote:Terrible bubble genre that will die or be shit all over for profit. Oh wait it's far too late for that second one. Rip WC3 yes I am a mature gamer that has only ever played the original dota/scdota

Quoting this because it's funny how wrong this is :^)

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:17 am
by cedarbridge
iRazgriz wrote:I am only on a lose streak of 10 :^)

Reported

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:36 am
by nsos
::::^)

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:44 am
by cedarbridge
iRazgriz wrote:
paprika wrote:Terrible bubble genre that will die or be shit all over for profit. Oh wait it's far too late for that second one. Rip WC3 yes I am a mature gamer that has only ever played the original dota/scdota

Quoting this because it's funny how wrong this is :^)

Partially its wrong because it was posted by pap. Its more wrong because it assumes that people will actually flock to a game just because its a moba and not because the game itself is good. lol Dawngate lol Infinite Crisis

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:21 am
by miggles
ive never heard of infinite crisis

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:35 am
by cedarbridge
miggles wrote:ive never heard of infinite crisis

Its essentially Dominion from LoL, only with DC superheroes and villains. Also, dead mobs drop money instead of just giving it to you on kill. Items are also as boring as the are in games like Smite where they're 99% vague stat sticks.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:34 pm
by nsos
im dawngate pro

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:38 pm
by Cipher3
To be fair cedar, your two examples are a relative unknown and a game which has had development shut down recently, never making it big.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:36 am
by nsos
My name is Omar from Saudi Arabia, a Dota 2 player and a tournament organizer who has just received the sad news about our king's death. I am very sad at the moment, I doubt that you know how I feel, It is just really really sad. I was 12 when King Abdullah reigned. I am 23 now and can't help myself getting emotional over this. All TV stations are airing holy scripts from the Quran, everything is quite outside and the country in mourning. I play Dota 2 a lot, and I decided to play Sand King for the next 90 games, in his memory.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:15 am
by cedarbridge
Cipher3 wrote:To be fair cedar, your two examples are a relative unknown and a game which has had development shut down recently, never making it big.

My point still stands. The fact that these "other" mobas keep popping up and instantly evaporating is more proof against the bubble than proof for it.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:19 pm
by miggles
as if paprika would actually know anything about the things he doesnt like

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:58 pm
by dezzmont
cedarbridge wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:To be fair cedar, your two examples are a relative unknown and a game which has had development shut down recently, never making it big.

My point still stands. The fact that these "other" mobas keep popping up and instantly evaporating is more proof against the bubble than proof for it.


Yep, bubbles are characterized by a period of rampant speculation and the perception of infinite profit that, while seemingly real, does not actually exist.

Mobas as a genre are not behaving in this manner, and are not seen as a way to generate infinite profit. Trying to make an alternate Dota or LoL, without having a very realy pre-existing base or draw, almost certainly will end in near instant failure.

It would be like saying there was a football bubble because the XFL flopped because it couldn't compete with the fucking giant of the NFL. That only shows that the existing giant is entrenched and not budging, which is a large tell, though not guarentee, that this isn't a bubble.

The moba market is probably going to end up with only 3-5 mobas in the end doing well enough to really talk about, and with only a faction of them running at competitive play levels where you see the insane high end sponsorships like Coke.

My money is that Dota and LoL are going to endlessly compete for having "the" pro-play scene and both benefit from it, and we will see HoTS coast happily along using the hearthstone playerbase. Smite looked like it might become the tiny tim of the Moba genre for a bit becase surprisingly it has a tournament scene and relatively stable base but it hasn't broken the mil mark in people playing at once, so that puts it in the weird spot where it isn't dying, isn't growing, and is making money. I suspect it will colapse because HoTS probably will take home the "Most casual of all casual" market.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:17 pm
by cedarbridge
dezzmont wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:To be fair cedar, your two examples are a relative unknown and a game which has had development shut down recently, never making it big.

My point still stands. The fact that these "other" mobas keep popping up and instantly evaporating is more proof against the bubble than proof for it.


Yep, bubbles are characterized by a period of rampant speculation and the perception of infinite profit that, while seemingly real, does not actually exist.

Mobas as a genre are not behaving in this manner, and are not seen as a way to generate infinite profit. Trying to make an alternate Dota or LoL, without having a very realy pre-existing base or draw, almost certainly will end in near instant failure.

It would be like saying there was a football bubble because the XFL flopped because it couldn't compete with the fucking giant of the NFL. That only shows that the existing giant is entrenched and not budging, which is a large tell, though not guarentee, that this isn't a bubble.

The moba market is probably going to end up with only 3-5 mobas in the end doing well enough to really talk about, and with only a faction of them running at competitive play levels where you see the insane high end sponsorships like Coke.

My money is that Dota and LoL are going to endlessly compete for having "the" pro-play scene and both benefit from it, and we will see HoTS coast happily along using the hearthstone playerbase. Smite looked like it might become the tiny tim of the Moba genre for a bit becase surprisingly it has a tournament scene and relatively stable base but it hasn't broken the mil mark in people playing at once, so that puts it in the weird spot where it isn't dying, isn't growing, and is making money. I suspect it will colapse because HoTS probably will take home the "Most casual of all casual" market.

HotS and Smite are both awful tho.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:22 pm
by dezzmont
HotS has a certain charm with how it handles XP and items, but I can't see it ever being played seriously. It is like a moba with none of the work.

Smite is pure garbage, I have no idea how it is so resiliant.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:12 pm
by iRazgriz
Smite is fun played with friends once in a while

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:49 pm
by Phalanx300
My first Moba was Dota so when I try others it just comes over as "simple" when compared to Dota. Though was a lot of fun because it provides a new way of playing through 3rd person gameplay. Still having to pay to play your heroes doesn't seem like a good way to go about it.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:03 pm
by miggles
smite is a moba that non-moba fans enjoy
thats why people like it
its a more "active" moba so people who get bored by mobas or cant get into them are attracted to it
most people who like dota, like us, dont like that because we're inclined to dota
HotS is just hilariously stupid tho

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:13 pm
by iRazgriz
HotS is such a failure I cannot even begin to describe how badly they screwed it up.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:58 am
by cedarbridge
Today I learned that 6 slotting your Doom by the 1hr mark will make pubbies rage at you. I should do this more often.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:53 am
by iRazgriz
cedarbridge wrote:Today I learned that 6 slotting your Doom by the 1hr mark will make pubbies rage at you. I should do this more often.


Doom is my second favourite hero right after clockwerk.

Get midas before 7 minutes and become a money printing machine.

My fave build, in order, is

Midas
Phase
Shadow Blade (very situational, but good if you're fighting scrubs)
Tarrasque
Skadi
AC
Sell midas for Shivas
BkB if they have strong CC

With tarrasque, skadi and the alpha wolf aura you can just walk up to people and give them a reminder of why you don't let Doom get fat.

Aghs is good against Abaddon and PL mostly.
Aghs refresher is kind of a waste imho.

Just don't build shit items like Vanguard, Radiance eccetera.

Also Rapier is viable on Doom is you're really stomping.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:18 am
by cedarbridge
iRazgriz wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:Today I learned that 6 slotting your Doom by the 1hr mark will make pubbies rage at you. I should do this more often.


Doom is my second favourite hero right after clockwerk.

Get midas before 7 minutes and become a money printing machine.

My fave build, in order, is

Midas
Phase
Shadow Blade (very situational, but good if you're fighting scrubs)
Tarrasque
Skadi
AC
Sell midas for Shivas
BkB if they have strong CC

With tarrasque, skadi and the alpha wolf aura you can just walk up to people and give them a reminder of why you don't let Doom get fat.

Aghs is good against Abaddon and PL mostly.
Aghs refresher is kind of a waste imho.

Just don't build shit items like Vanguard, Radiance eccetera.

Also Rapier is viable on Doom is you're really stomping.


Refresher is great (and tends to show up in most super late tourny level builds.) Though really, Heart/AC/Skadi already makes you an unstoppable raidboss.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:24 pm
by iRazgriz
cedarbridge wrote:
iRazgriz wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:Today I learned that 6 slotting your Doom by the 1hr mark will make pubbies rage at you. I should do this more often.


Doom is my second favourite hero right after clockwerk.

Get midas before 7 minutes and become a money printing machine.

My fave build, in order, is

Midas
Phase
Shadow Blade (very situational, but good if you're fighting scrubs)
Tarrasque
Skadi
AC
Sell midas for Shivas
BkB if they have strong CC

With tarrasque, skadi and the alpha wolf aura you can just walk up to people and give them a reminder of why you don't let Doom get fat.

Aghs is good against Abaddon and PL mostly.
Aghs refresher is kind of a waste imho.

Just don't build shit items like Vanguard, Radiance eccetera.

Also Rapier is viable on Doom is you're really stomping.


Refresher is great (and tends to show up in most super late tourny level builds.) Though really, Heart/AC/Skadi already makes you an unstoppable raidboss.

Refresher is great depending on the enemy team.
If they have carries that do not need spells to eat your face, it's not really useful.

It's good if they have strong teamfight tho.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:48 pm
by cedarbridge
Dooming an invoker feels really damn good too.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:07 am
by cedarbridge
Image
Video games are exhausting

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:31 am
by Juninho77
30/9 sniper? Uh oh.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:41 am
by cedarbridge
Juninho77 wrote:30/9 sniper? Uh oh.

He was legitimately the only guy on their team that had a clue, but he was also helped out by most of our team having no idea what they were doing either.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:13 am
by Juninho77
Looking at that Tinker's build brings tears to my eyes. Eul's? Linken's Sphere? And what the hell was that blade of alacrity for? Sadness. Sadness.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:25 pm
by nsos
yes, the <300 gpm tinker with no blink dagger

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:46 pm
by M0nsoon
You guys play alone or with other people?

I have solo queue anxiety and can't que up unless I'm with others

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:41 pm
by cedarbridge
M0nsoon wrote:You guys play alone or with other people?

I have solo queue anxiety and can't que up unless I'm with others

Played a few yesterday with miggles. I haven't really played with a lot of experienced players (outside of randoms in solo queue) since most of the guys I do party with tend to be minimally experienced with mobas.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:57 pm
by miggles
that was like my second time playing ember, though the first time i played him i had no idea what i was doing
2 battlefuries is so satisfying
if that sniper hadnt fucked me up mid i would have definitely snowballed out of control
the visage was actually really good too, i commended him

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:45 pm
by Erbbu
So how about that 6.84?

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:41 pm
by Laharl Monthy
Erbbu wrote:So how about that 6.84?


I'll say this :

Undying is unexpectedly strong in this patch. The nerf to rubberband helped him out a lot, and the buffs to his Soul Rip have put him in a pretty good place. Not only that, but I swear to god, Guardian Greaves are made for him. Add-in a Hood/Pipe, and you have a walking aura monster dropping tombstones in the middle of every teamfights.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Tue May 05, 2015 4:58 am
by Erbbu
Yeah, I did have a couple of friends stomping with an Undying KotL lane earlier.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:27 am
by Erbbu
Since I started playing again, solo queue has been surprisingly nice. Very few flamers, very few people giving up too early. I wonder if there is some truth to the rumor that you get paired with people like you, aka non-flamers tend to get non-flamer teammates whereas flamers get flamer teammates.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:55 pm
by cedarbridge
Erbbu wrote:Since I started playing again, solo queue has been surprisingly nice. Very few flamers, very few people giving up too early. I wonder if there is some truth to the rumor that you get paired with people like you, aka non-flamers tend to get non-flamer teammates whereas flamers get flamer teammates.

Are you describing Dota or a dating site?

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:26 pm
by Erbbu
cedarbridge wrote:
Erbbu wrote:Since I started playing again, solo queue has been surprisingly nice. Very few flamers, very few people giving up too early. I wonder if there is some truth to the rumor that you get paired with people like you, aka non-flamers tend to get non-flamer teammates whereas flamers get flamer teammates.

Are you describing Dota or a dating site?

Sometimes I wonder if there is a difference.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 7:07 pm
by tedward1337
DOTER

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 3:26 pm
by Vekter
D O T E S
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Add me fags, I fucking suck but I have fun.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 7:45 pm
by cedarbridge
I won't have a functioning computer for who knows how long (until I find new work and a new apartment to move into and a better Internet connection) or I would.

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:19 am
by nsos
my friend gifted me this TI5 doom set


it looks so edgy and dumb that it wraps around back to looking super good

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:19 am
by nsos
all i do is pick brewmaster anymore i cant be assed to do anything else pressing buttons other than q and w are too much effort

Re: doter 2

PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:22 am
by cedarbridge
nsos wrote:all i do is pick brewmaster anymore i cant be assed to do anything else pressing buttons other than q and w are too much effort

So you don't use your ult then? Shit brew, would not party with.