Dead By Daylight

[Timbrewolf]

If you guys think you'll be available to play with us I'll steam gift them to you.

[tedward1337]

Yeah dude, what time is everyone going to be playing at?

[dezzmont]

I have mastered the art of survival if I do say so myself...

Keep an eye for potential exits whatever you do, that is the best way to not get caught. And make sure to cover ground. Sprinting is good, when the monster isn't near or when he knows where you are, you only hide when you think you can ditch them.

[EndgamerAzari]

Oh man if you've got a key left I'm totally down.

[THE MIGHTY GALVATRON]

Yeah give it to Azari he's a cool guy and I have other ways of obtaining keys.

[Timbrewolf]

No idea. Maybe 2:30pm EST or so to play today?

[EndgamerAzari]

Had to go back to work today, so I wouldn't be available until the evening. If you want to give it to someone who can play earlier that's cool.

[tedward1337]

Yeah, I finish work at 5 so id only be on a bit later

[dezzmont]

Rule 1 of this game:

The toolbox is there to sabotage hooks. If you sabotage all the hooks, the killer has a super hard time killing anyone.

[Timbrewolf]

Going to be a bit later than I thought, need to run some errands today, got delayed.

[Super Aggro Crag]

I wanna play with endgamer azari he's my pal

[DrPillzRedux]

My issue with the game is perks are pretty much useless, and character differences are pretty much none. I've leveled all of them to max in the beta and they all have the same perks. The guys are much easier to see as they're taller, and the black girl makes a lot of noise, so really your best pick is Meg. Since there's no lockout you end up with 4 Meg's.

[Super Aggro Crag]

megs cute tho

[Timbrewolf]

Ready to play whenever. POST UP LADS.

[THE MIGHTY GALVATRON]

I'm down son, SPOOK OR BE SPOOKED.

[Timbrewolf]

atm it's you, myself, and Crag. waiting on two more.

[DrPillzRedux]

I can go just hit me up I guess.

[Timbrewolf]

Sorry, don't know what happened but my energy levels plummeted. Going to sleep really early.

[Super Aggro Crag]

weak

[DrPillzRedux]

There's a difference between your character level and your rank. You have a rank that covers all your survivors and all your hunters, both start at 20. Depending on your skill your rank number will lower. So the lower it is, the better you are.

I'm bouncing between 14 and 16. Even when I win and do a bunch of shit I get deranked sometimes.

[dezzmont]

Some of the perks are really useful, it's just that with the level cap you mostly get the commons, which are OK but either too specialized or too general.

The killer perks are stronger that the survivor perms for the most part it seems, because he doesn't get an item and because he has 1 perk and one add on for each the survivors got.

[DrPillzRedux]

I have not lost a single game as a hunter. If you put traps on the other sides of vaultable walls or windows, people just leap right through even when not running. Then others swarm to help and they get hurt.

I once got 3 people a minute in this way and put them all in the basement.

[Bluespace]

I am a top tier killer.
Who wants to be fucking hooked?

[DemonFiren]

Buy me the game and I'm in.

[Super Aggro Crag]

just had a round where all 4 survivors escaped, it was good shit. the last survivor even waited by the door as i slowly snuck away from the killer so we could leave as friends.

[dezzmont]

Its not really hard to escape as the survivor if you focus on ensuring survival.

Shocking, I know. But its weirdly non-intuitive. Most survivors overvalue hiding, helping others, or any individual task.

Good survivors instead focus on being alert to the situation they are in and what can be, and needs to be done. Too many survivors are willing to helplessly stare at an ally on a hook being camped, rather than being brave and distracting the killer so a friend can de-hook the poor guy. They don't do generators during a camp so that the killer is forced to move or lose. And most importantly, you need to value alertness over being hidden. Too many survivors focus on staying unseen in the moment rather than planning places they can run in order to ditch the killer if they are spotted or need to take one for the team and keep them busy, and are too in the moment. When fleeing they go to windows and throwables even if they won't help, running in very predictable patterns because they didn't figure they could make a quick loop in a ruin to get a bunch of distance.

Basically, understand what you need to be doing at the moment to maximize your chances of leaving the level. When in doubt, sabotage hooks. The more hooks you sabotage the safer everyone is. If you get enough the killer literally can't kill anyone in one carry if they want to use hooks. Always ask yourself "How can I help advance us towards victory and our other goals from where I am, while staying safe?" rather than hyperfocusing on doing one thing. If you hyperfocus on the hooked survivor you are effectively on that hook with them, burning time and giving the killer exactly what they want, where as if you do a generator like... right next to the hook, you can distract the killer and save that dude.

[DrPillzRedux]

There's only 1 video of the chainsaw hunter, Hillbilly. His special is to rev up his chainsaw and sprint in a straight line. Will be great for survivors running out in the open. He's loud as fuck though if you're reving the saw up to spook them.

First look at him is at 2:58.

[DrPillzRedux]

Rank 1 hunter! Dev said I'm right outside the top 10 hunters.

Also I ripped the audio files from the game.

[dezzmont]

In the threads: 900 babies crying about how the killer camps them when they get hooked minute 1.

[Timbrewolf]

It's hard for me to get into the atmosphere of the game when there's a million modifiers and progression markers popping off everywhere. Seeing BOLD +100 BOLD +100 SURVIVOR +150 REPAIR +500 firing off constantly on the side kills the immersion. Stop it with the fucking e-sports garbage.

I'm enjoying it for now but I feel like the gameplay will wear thin pretty quickly. There's not enough variety in objectives and I just don't feel the intensity of the chase. It's very binary, either I'm running a route where there are objects for me to tip over and gain a lead or I'm just delaying the inevitable.

You'd have to be retarded to lose someone as the killer. Maybe it's just years of FPS and learning to flank/double-back but it's really easy to visualize the options presented to the person you're chasing and just use your unfocused motion-perception to see where they've gone. If closets didn't give you some kind of noise cue that someone is hiding in them, they would be better distractions/hiding places but as is they're kinda useless. Everytime I've ever hidden in one I've been found, and everytime I've run passed one as the killer it was pretty easy to listen for the heartbeat or not. I'm curious if maybe some of the offerings make that a little harder, or if it has something to do with visual performance, but it's really really easy to someone moving around in the grasses or running around in the distance.

I'm expecting the same experience as EVOLVE. Awesome concept, but after you play it for a bit you realize the game is just a running simulator as you constantly chase another player(s) around, doing the same repetitive things.

I've had fun playing it and I do want to play more but it seems like one of those games everyone will play the shit out of for a month and then abandon completely.

[Super Aggro Crag]

i wanna play it some more

[DrPillzRedux]

I looked through the files and there are a lot of game changing perks.

Killer losing his music and heartbeat if he stays still

Survivors not needing toolboxes/medkits/etc to do those functions, just slower

Killer instantly downing people he smacks when an escape gate is open

And a lot more ultra rare perks.

[Timbrewolf]

I've seen glimpses of some really neat looking stuff under the hood that are pretty serious audibles. This perk popped up in my web for Meg that gives her an alert whenever she looks in the direction of the killer within a set distance, so it's kind of like a sonar detector for the killer with a cooldown between pings.

If there's enough of that stuff out there balanced in a way that people will be using a variety of them, the game could have serious legs.
Obviously the game is still in beta so there's no reason to be all "THIS GAME SUCKS AND IS DOOMED", I'm just a little skeptical for now.

The game has a curious system for retaining/using/losing items and other inventory stuff. It gives both a cool element of tension to considering bringing one along with you, but also makes them really precious when you find them and increases your desire to survive. I have a fear that the devs could exploit this setup for their own benefit and offer a cash store where you could stock up on these things for real-money, which would just be the absolute worst shit ever akin to WarZ/Romero level of dumb bullshit.

Like, that kind of sums up a lot of my feeling at this stage. There's a lot of cool stuff on the table and a lot of potential, but also massive potential for failure...and a familiar kind of failure I've seen more games fall into than sidestep. So I'm liking what I'm playing but I have to manage my expectations because history shows there's a greater chance of failure than success with these kinds of concepts in play.

[dezzmont]

Closets are designed for 'pre-hiding' and are not useful during a chase. There are perks to help survivors be more quiet, I have one on Meg, but I tend to not like closets that much.

The game is considered strongly survivor sided. You would be surprised at how good some survivor players are at ditching the killer. They basically know you will track them if they just constantly zig zag through stuff and instead depend on disorientating you and then ditching the sprint. Once the killer is only vaguely aware the survivor is in the area its much harder for him to actually find them, as opposed to knowing their general direction where its really easy to hone in on them.

Apparently objectives will be more varied on new maps, but overall the focus is on generators. I think the game will have a much more varied metagame once you have access to 3 killers, are able to refresh your add-ons, and have multiple perks, its hard to really care about your perks at the moment because outside of a few exceptions like bond or insidious they don't do very much on their own, but I already see some great perk combos that will help give your survivors especially more of a 'role.'

I also think the way they handled the beta levelcap combined with removing killer variety is showcasing the worst aspects of the game design. A lot of what is going to make the game interesting is stuff like offerings and perk interactions, like the ESP perks right now are worthless because the wraith is not in the game, but once he is suddenly having one player with spine chill or something will become super useful and will change the game's flow a lot.

I don't think it will play out like evolve for a few reasons, one of them being that evolve was a premium price game that advertised as a primary feature that they intended to rip off players. Also, the asymmetric nature of the game wasn't very good or interesting, because both sides really had the game goals and methods of obtaining those goals, where as here the fact the game is asymmetric really matters to the point where you want such different, sometimes non-opposing things that the score system is literally set up to encourage you to do shit fun for the opposing team. The fact killer is outright rewarded for letting survivors get away early if he gets someone quickly is just amazing game design in my opinion.

[Timbrewolf]

He's rewarded for a quick defeat if he gets a sacrifice?

[DrPillzRedux]

A lot of the teachable perks for survivors. You still have to find them in the bloodweb to use them, and their quality varies like regular perks.

Some are game changing though.

http://imgur.com/a/mBNaM

[dezzmont]

He's rewarded for a quick defeat if he gets a sacrifice?

Nope. I meant letting them get away early as in letting them get off the hook early in the match, which many rookie killers don't realize as they often think their main job is to butcher the survivors as fast as possible.

The killer is rewarded for dragging out the game a little bit without risking the survivors escaping the match. If the killer gets 2 sacrifices but does so in too efficient a manner he may still de-rank, where as I have ranked up twice once despite getting no kills simply because I kept so much pressure on the survivors that I was sometimes getting wounded on everyone without really downing anyone. He needs to work to sorta mess with the survivors, not to the point of obviouslly trolling and throwing the match, but to the point where you need to rationally evaluate the value of slowing the game down by killing that survivor vs the loss in points you will have if you remove what may be the weakest survivor (who will thus be easiest to farm points from by tormenting) from the game.

Sacrificing all of the survivors one after another will give you one pip of course, because you totally fill up survival and get half of cunning filled for letting no one escape. But you get more ranks by making it play out like a horror movie. It honestly feels super good too. I get a really sick sense of satisfaction when I decide the survivor I hooked isn't a threat and decide to just walk away for a bit so someone can rescue them. Like "I am worried I like playing killer a bit too much" tier.

Basically let the survivors get off the hooks early if you can tie them all up constantly rescuing each other, chase them around, spread hits about, let them heal so you can hit them again, that sort of thing. Actively killing the survivors can only ever be 1/4th of your points, the others come from outsmarting them, chasing them, or breaking things and beating the crap out of them. That is why the score pops up, it lets you know how many more points you can get from the activity you are doing before it stops counting towards how well you are doing that match.

The problem with evolve was that a good monster made the game a really boring running simulator, where as a good killer in this is literally designed to keep the energy of the game up without absolutely steamrolling everyone.

[DrPillzRedux]

Prestige outfits are nasty.

http://imgur.com/a/2Ny40

[Timbrewolf]

>killing people too quickly will result in you de-ranking

That's retarded.

[EndgamerAzari]

I like getting high Devious points as the killer. It lets me trick myself into thinking I'm smart.

[dezzmont]

>killing people too quickly will result in you de-ranking

That's retarded.

No, if you kill everyone you still gain rank.

If you focus exclusively on killing people at the cost of all other activities, you lose rank if you don't manage to do it because you failed in all 4 categories of activity, and you gain rank much slower because you ignored 3 other aspects of your role even if you make it.

[Reyouka]

I also got into the beta, might also end up buying this as well. Ding me on steam whenever you folks are up for murdering.

[Super Aggro Crag]

mfw someone steps into my trap

[Timbrewolf]

Nobody ever steps into my traps.

Dezz loudly complains when I put them down.

"DUDE THATS A TERRIBLE SPOT"

I push some of the spaghetti in my overalls aside and stuff the trap back in my pocket

O-okay

[Timbrewolf]

Also Kor is a metacooperating shitter who will throw games for fun do not play with this troll

[Super Aggro Crag]

Put traps in good spots instead.

[dezzmont]

I was just trying to screw with you and get you to look around wildly for me, because someone else was nearby repairing. Voice is only fun if you heckle a bit.

Though that one trap spot was legit hilariously bad because it was out in the open near the doors but not blocking any path of movement.

Good trap placement includes: At window ledges, on stairs, in tall grass near objectives or boxes, under your hook, or in tall grass between objectives using the paths people naturally move in. If you play a lot of survivor you will start to understand how the survivors like to move and can trap that area. Note that traps near objectives are hit and miss because people rarely move to an objective while in grass, and tend to be extra cautious about the area near the objective, so its almost always best to trap the enterance to cover near the objective, because people tend to sprint between cover.

For example survivors do use ruin windows but only during escapes for the most part, they instead move through ruins using the doorways that keep them flush to the exterior wall, so if you trap those you have a good chance of getting someone.

Its best to just trap good spots rather than perfect spots, early game you never want to pass a trap and be unable to take it because you still have one.

[EndgamerAzari]

I found it incredibly satisfying when I'd set traps in little chokepoints with the obstructions the survivors can pull down. I'd start chasing a survivor and they'd make a beeline for the deadfall and SNIBBITY SNAB

[Super Aggro Crag]

I find it satisfying when I outwit you and you scream that I am a seven-assed shitneck over Skype. It was real funny.

[EndgamerAzari]

Outwitting me isn't an accomplishment, it's the default state for everything with a rudimentary nervous system.