Evolve evolving from P2P to F2P

Lumbermancer · Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:25 am

Anyone played this? It always seemed like a poor man's L4D and KF knock off with some neat but badly executed ideas.

It should be playable today or tomorrow.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:37 am #193662

Playable is a big word

I think you mean "Only costs you your time to play"

Ricotez · Post by **Ricotez** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:54 am #193665

All games cost time to play.

Lumbermancer · Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:57 am

Some games pay you back in the currency known as fun.

XSI · Post by **XSI** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:07 pm #193671

Some of them, yes.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:43 pm #193713

It's F2P but yeah it's still probably shit

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:44 pm #193714

Good on them for realizing that their pricing model was fucking garbage. Might be too little too late though. By most accounts the game is still not terribly good

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:17 pm #193725

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i wonder if gearbox is going to be able to physically restrain randy pitchford enough to make the same kind of decision for battleborn

Lumbermancer · Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:30 pm

http://store.steampowered.com/app/273350/

EndgamerAzari · Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:40 pm

I'm glad I'll be able to give it a shot, now. Back when I got a beta key for it I still had my old computer that couldn't handle it, and since I've got my new one I've never been convinced it was worth dropping the dough on.

Lumbermancer · Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:43 pm

Pretty much the same for me.

EndgamerAzari · Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:45 pm

I mean, don't get me wrong, it looked fun, and I loved the idea, but by the time I would be able to play it everyone was so disgruntled with it that even if I had bought it I'd have nobody to play with. This fixes both the issues of cost and (hopefully) player base.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:07 pm #193768

Does it still not have dedicated servers

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:14 pm #193786

Pricetag on everything

It's gonna be even worse

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:40 pm #193805

Still pretty fun. You can earn everything through in game currency. Seems fine as F2P.

Lumbermancer · Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:25 pm

Well this game is not very good. Beat monster, chase monster, beat monster, chase monster. How is that fun? Beyond dropping the dome there's absolutely zero strategy involved, just fuck monster up as much as you can. It can't kill you anyway, and it will try just to not get hit. So it's catch the monster outside the dome, and catch the monsters inside the dome.

What a bad game.

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:20 am #193870

Lumbermancer wrote:Well this game is not very good. Beat monster, chase monster, beat monster, chase monster. How is that fun? Beyond dropping the dome there's absolutely zero strategy involved, just fuck monster up as much as you can. It can't kill you anyway, and it will try just to not get hit. So it's catch the monster outside the dome, and catch the monsters inside the dome.

What a bad game.

Unsurprisingly, boiling down a game to its completely base components makes it seem unfun, in the same way that removing the tomato sauce from pasta makes it bland.

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:28 am #193872

Yeah by that logic all shooters aren't fun because once you see your opponent all strategy is gone and you are stuck with boring old tactics and skill and what loser cares about that?

Like I said, its in a good place as a free to play, it never really was a full game, its a nice experience and it is fun when the monster is good. It delivers on the experience of fighting a giant alien monster even if it is not really a hyper competitive game.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:36 am #193874

Are people really such casuals that they've never played against a good monster

I've fucked up enemy teams at every stage and if anything I think monster is way more powerful than the hunters

Just goes to show how a shit monster can totally ruin this game

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:41 am #193877

played a few more rounds of this today

still pretty fun if your team is on point, my last match was a real nail-biter, gameplay changes are a little confusing, but i honestly think they're for the better

all in all trs has done a pretty good job, there's a lot more players now and unlocks aren't actually that horrible (especially if you had the base game), only takes nine or so good matches to unlock one character

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:46 am #193878

Stage 1 beatdowns are really fun to pull off. The hunters are often overconfident and don't use their defensive abilities enough allowing you to shred them if you leveled fire twice.

DrPillzRedux · Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:47 am

They changed pretty much the entire game balance and a lot of game elements. It's going to play differently.

Pretty much an overhaul.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:52 am #193880

dezzmont wrote:Stage 1 beatdowns are really fun to pull off. The hunters are often overconfident and don't use their defensive abilities enough allowing you to shred them if you leveled fire twice.

Its all about the level 2 ground smash

You can zone the healer once you get the healer down with that shit

I usually go 2 smash / 1 fire / 1 charge for good chains

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:53 am #193881

The boulder destroys people from what I've found. Maxed it and literally 1 shotted a dude.

DrPillzRedux · Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:59 am

They fucking reset everything and took my elite skins what the fuck

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:25 am #193887

The trapper dome tracks now so they'll always hit it.

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:26 am #193888

I go for smash 1, fire 2, rock 1 personally when I think there will be early agro. The fire at rank 2 really catches a lot of people off guard and is shockingly lethal.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:28 am #193889

I've never found the fire to be that good without maxing it. It has good damage and the AOE is nice, don't get me wrong, but with how the combat works you want to focus one guy at a time so having abilities that kill one dude in particular are what you want.

dezzmont · Post by **dezzmont** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:36 am #193892

You can firebreath while attacking, and its Goliath's highest damage ability anyway. I use leap to get in on the medic, and then firebreath while attacking normally to take them down. Also, the second level of leap smash is a very insignificant increase to your damage, and it mostly serves to increase your AOE. Fire breath gains 72 damage when at its second rank for the actual fire.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:37 am #193894

Oh yeah it's a great skill, just I don't feel it's as good as other ones.

Lumbermancer · Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:20 am

Xhuis wrote:Unsurprisingly, boiling down a game to its completely base components makes it seem unfun, in the same way that removing the tomato sauce from pasta makes it bland.

What else there's to it? In those few games I played it looked exactly like it. No one used support items (the heal and shield beam I guess) because there was no need to. Only one person died, and it was to the carnivorous plant. Compare it to L4D where there's actual tension, and when shit happens that's of consequence since the first moment. Where every slip can end the game. Here I was a monster, I unleashed full wombo combo on a guy, rockthrow-stomp-chargething-fire breath, got him to 25% and he just jetpacked away like nothing ever happened. And then compare it to the average encounter with the Tank in L4D again.

I understand monster here is supposed to avoid the hunter to grow in power, but that's the thing. I don't find the core loop very fun.

I'm not a designer, but if I had to work with something like this, I'd add one more monster player who would play smaller respawning fauna to aid the Big Guy, and pester the hunters. Because AI can't do that.

DrPillzRedux · Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:23 pm

Feels a lot better. The gameplay is closer to beta, which was awesome, in that it's much more fast paced.

killerx09 · Post by **killerx09** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:27 pm #193972

As someone with like 200 hours in the game, Meteor Goliath is crap, and so is putting one point in all skills. Your best bet would be to go normal Goliath and skip rock throw entirely, prioritizing Leap.

Also, pouncing helps a lot.

confused rock · Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:02 pm

sneaking around as a monster used to be fun, I loved pretending to be a rock as a grey goliath
but they replaced the trapper dome with something that automatically tells you where the monster is
THEY REPLACED THE TRAPPER DOME WITH SOMETHING THAT AUTOMATICALLY TELLS YOU WHERE THE MONSTER IS
there is no reason to sneak at all, you are better off just leaping around (and skipping fucking charge, not goddamn rock throw, rock throw does massive damage) and eating shit with the perks to eat faster

Timbrewolf · Post by **Timbrewolf** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:04 pm #193983

Well I guess we could group up on discord and play some rounds together for free?

Kinda curious to see if the formula holds up better without that pressure of BUY A MILLION FUCKING THINGS crushing it.

killerx09 · Post by **killerx09** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:10 pm #193987

The unloved rock wrote:sneaking around as a monster used to be fun, I loved pretending to be a rock as a grey goliath
but they replaced the trapper dome with something that automatically tells you where the monster is
THEY REPLACED THE TRAPPER DOME WITH SOMETHING THAT AUTOMATICALLY TELLS YOU WHERE THE MONSTER IS
there is no reason to sneak at all, you are better off just leaping around (and skipping fucking charge, not goddamn rock throw, rock throw does massive damage) and eating shit with the perks to eat faster

The prompt dosn't show until you shoot the monster.

Spamming F will still show the bar though.

DrPillzRedux · Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:30 pm

Yeah it's way, way better now. Longest game has been 10 minutes. No more half hour rounds.

Markov/Mech lady are the only viable assaults though, every other one got nerfed hard.

TankNut · Post by **TankNut** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:20 pm #194088

Leap 2, fire 1 and charge 1. Early game beatdowns are fun.

Also what the fuck I've played 6 matches so far and haven't lost even once.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:21 pm #194089

Monsters are probably OP right now

Xhuis · Post by **Xhuis** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:18 pm #194117

I've been playing Lennox and holy hell she's fun to play. Goliath focusing you down at stage 2? Nuke half his fucking armor in two hits, pop your shield so he can't do more than a sliver of damage to you, and then whale on him with your lance until he runs away like a little bitch, and then use your jump to give him another whooping for him to feel in the morning. Granted, this only works if your medic and support are worth their salt, since you'll be taking massive damage the whole time, but she's so satisfying to perform well with. Monster tearing apart your Lazarus? Let's see him kill your medic while you're dealing 300 damage a hit. To top it all off, not only does her machine gun match up to Markov's tesla gun and have further range, its rounds are fucking explosive. Good luck dodging shots when I just need to aim in your general direction.

To contribute to the general discussion, though, monsters feel pretty strong right now. Having played two goliath rounds and winning both of them, your boulder toss does extreme damage and is really easy to aim. I generally take two levels in fire breath and one in the boulder and leap, and that's usually enough to get them to run away or even down them if they're not getting healed/armored. If you're fighting a good Maggie, though, your ass is grass since you can't run from fights when there's constantly three harpoons holding you in place.

TankNut · Post by **TankNut** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:51 am #194135

Lennox was the first character I bought and after playing a couple of rounds with her I pretty much agree. Her melee has incredibly good range for a melee attack and combined with the slowing ability from whichever character has that you can pretty much keep wailing down on an enemy stacking those damage amps.

I keep getting the bug where everyone gets random characters though. So I'll end up with another assault more often than not.

DrPillzRedux · Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:19 am

Xhuis wrote:I've been playing Lennox and holy hell she's fun to play. Goliath focusing you down at stage 2? Nuke half his fucking armor in two hits

I play Kala so you'd nuke half his health down.

Kala is love Kala is life.

Zilenan91 wrote:Monsters are probably OP right now

No, just a lot of new players who are really, really bad, and some decent players who are still going up the learning curve. The only hard to beat one is a kraken with a player who has a brain cell.

IcePacks · Post by **IcePacks** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:11 am #194194

wraith is not op at all

no sir

DrPillzRedux · Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:44 am

After some playtime, here's what's wrong right now.

Monsters can just focus a medic dead because they can't outheal their new insane damage and supports can't mitigate enough damage, and pose so little threat that there's no reason to chase the support.

Laz heals the most out of all medics by using the 10% class cooldown perk to heal burst spam. Fucking LAZ is the best medic now.

All assaults but Lennox/Torv have shit damage.

Supports are mostly useless now for damage mitigation. Bucket is still useless.

Kraken is overpowered.

TankNut · Post by **TankNut** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:44 pm #194624

Just purchased Gorgon.

Holy shit this thing rapes people.

confused rock · Sun Jul 10, 2016 6:20 pm

are you shitting me gorgon aint that tough bro i mean the attack where it pees everywhere is annoying but elder krakens are worse I haven't played gorgon sure but peeing everywhere is just fire breath aint it (also I fucking suck with fire breath for anything except killing wildlife what am I doing wrong)
also FUCK OFF emet is the best medic
also FUCK OFF sunny is a pain in the ass unless you are constantly destroying the shield drones

TankNut · Post by **TankNut** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:02 pm #194665

To sum up gorgon:
-Insane traversal rate regen (You can chain 4 of them together without touching the ground)
-AOE slows
-Spiders which disable anyone they get close to while running all over the fucking place
-Damage over time which can be spammed all over the place instead of a small cone like fire breath
-Who the fuck uses mimic

I mean sure it doesn't have the best in terms of armor and HP but who needs that when everything around you drops dead the second you hit stage 2

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:47 pm #194680

Mimic for Gorgon seems to be utterly useless, and the rest of her skills are mediocre. The only good one is her spider trap which can do some serious work, but yeah Gorgon is not good.

DrPillzRedux · Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:06 pm

EMET can actually be a very damn good medic but you have to know how to play him. His respawn becon currently negates a lot of wraith players who get easy strikes because fuck you enjoy 20 second respawn timer and instant spawn at the beacon.

confused rock · Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:45 am

I made a kraken salty as fuck by respawning everyone 5 times while mildly far from the relay
your only weakness is if they actually focus you in which case gg (unless you don't have 2 strikes yet and they forgot to destroy the buoy I always feel cool getting myself up)
seriously though I fucking suck at firebreath how the fuck do I use it right