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Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 4:17 pm
by onleavedontatme
peoplearestrange wrote:People keep throwing around the word conspiracy when what they're trying to imply (or not) is that the admins are purposely trying to make the game miserable for the players. Why!? Why would we want to do that?


Same reason that players will randomly murder and destroy things when there aren't rules. Shit is fun to do. It's not about "purposefully trying to make players miserable" so much as having fun at the expense of them. I mean we have a antagonist roles that we give free license to fuck with other players, and those roles are generally considered desirable.

Players aren't perfect either but they generally get notes/warnings/bans when they upset other people.



I'm not saying there's a bunch of people sitting in adminbus going "HE HE HE HOW WILL WE UPSET PLAYERS TODAY" (other than HG, anyway) but people getting bored and smashing the station for amusement is not far fetched at all when the gameplay more or less revolves around it, and we have pages and pages of rules about when it's okay for people to do it.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:15 am
by mrpain
Another long list of reasons why I no longer play here.

It's becoming more and more difficult to hold admins accountable for their terrible mistakes. Instead of addressing problems here we just skirt them under the rug.

Go ahead and apply the rarely plays title on me. I'd say I've earned it.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:50 am
by peoplearestrange
mrpain wrote:Another long list of reasons why I no longer play here.


So you don't play here, but you come on the forums to moan? Why...

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:08 pm
by QuartzCrystal
mrpain wrote:Another long list of reasons why I no longer play here.

It's becoming more and more difficult to hold admins accountable for their terrible mistakes. Instead of addressing problems here we just skirt them under the rug.

Go ahead and apply the rarely plays title on me. I'd say I've earned it.


Is there a server that holds their admins more accountable?

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:31 pm
by DemonFiren
I'll ask Bay if they do.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:08 pm
by mrpain
QuartzCrystal wrote:
mrpain wrote:Another long list of reasons why I no longer play here.

It's becoming more and more difficult to hold admins accountable for their terrible mistakes. Instead of addressing problems here we just skirt them under the rug.

Go ahead and apply the rarely plays title on me. I'd say I've earned it.


Is there a server that holds their admins more accountable?


Yes.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:09 pm
by mrpain
peoplearestrange wrote:
mrpain wrote:Another long list of reasons why I no longer play here.


So you don't play here, but you come on the forums to moan? Why...


Because this community has the potential to be the best in all of SS13 and it isnt living up to its potential. I'd like to see it do that.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:04 pm
by John_Oxford
mrpain wrote:
QuartzCrystal wrote:
mrpain wrote:Another long list of reasons why I no longer play here.

It's becoming more and more difficult to hold admins accountable for their terrible mistakes. Instead of addressing problems here we just skirt them under the rug.

Go ahead and apply the rarely plays title on me. I'd say I've earned it.


Is there a server that holds their admins more accountable?



DO
Goon.
Vox.
Bay
Paradise.
Colonial Marines.
BestRP back when it was a thing
Yogstation
HippieStation
HypatiaStation
DONT
Tg Station
LLA

TL;DR : Yes.


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EDIT:

Yes, admins fuck up, but they are not punished for it, thats why we are upset.
When players fuck up, we get banned.
If a admin fucks up, they don't get banned.

See the problem here?

Essentially what it needs to be is if your event was not perfectly orcastrated with the utmost care and entertainment for the crew (Not just one individual or team, or yourself) then you recieve a event ban, you can't make any events for x ammount of time, if you break this, you recieve a 2 month normal ban.

Above is determined by the fact if someone makes a "HOLY SHIT THIS ADMIN IS BAD HIS EVENT WAS BAD" fourm, and then everyone on the server jumps in and agrees.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:40 pm
by QuartzCrystal
Can you explain exactly what is different about those servers?

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:42 pm
by Ikarrus
How other servers manage themselves should be irrelevent to us. It shouldn't be used to excuse trying to improve our own situation.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:32 pm
by NikNakFlak
lmao goon admins are horrible. The few times I went over there they were facerolling buttons so hard it crashed the server.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:08 pm
by Shadowlight213
If people are tired of events on sybil to the point where if an event is not absolutely perfect they make a complaint, why don't we just stop running events on sybil for a while?
The event stuff can be done on bagil, and we can just administrate sybil with no button pushes at all. If people start whining that the round is boring, and buttons need to be pressed, too bad. Pressing a button could possibly ruin the round for one person so obviously we should just let the round play out. Win win for everyone, right?

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:47 pm
by ThanatosRa
palpatine213 wrote:If people are tired of events on sybil to the point where if an event is not absolutely perfect they make a complaint, why don't we just stop running events on sybil for a while?
The event stuff can be done on bagil, and we can just administrate sybil with no button pushes at all. If people start whining that the round is boring, and buttons need to be pressed, too bad. Pressing a button could possibly ruin the round for one person so obviously we should just let the round play out. Win win for everyone, right?


Do it. Seriously. I want to see the same people bitch about boredom, and watch basil get everyone who likes events.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:18 am
by John_Oxford
Put it this way. Instead of willy nilly deciding "Ok we are going to have a event this round, fucking deal with it"

You can plan a event out, every single little fucking detail, have plans a, b, c, d, and e, and have all your shit together before you do it, insuring everyone knows what the fucks going on.

People who don't want to play the event, can do the following
A: Play the event, and fucking deal with it
B: Leave the server for the round duration
C: Get fucking bwoiked for being a cheeky cunt and fucking up events






Or you can put it this way, if people generally don't like your event, lets just say you alone recieve a event ban, essentially making the admin disallowed from making any events for 2 months, if they break that ban, they recieve a 2 month server ban.

Simple as that, people who make shitty events, don't get to host events.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:51 am
by Shadowlight213
Planning every single little detail out on how the event is going to go and making sure it happens that way is called railroading, and any decent DM is going to tell you how terrible of a thing that is as it makes players feel like whatever they do is pointless.
Edit: Also, the quality of an event is subjective. Some players may hate the event while others may like it. Who's opinion is valid in that case?

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:53 am
by mrpain
If your idea of an "event" varied a little better than, say, burning off half the station in a fire, or spawning a singularity in a hallway, then maybe people wouldnt react so harshly to that.

Also, should the admin who's idea of an event was burning half the station in a fire or spawning a singularity in a hallway not have decided that shutting the door on admin event complaints was ok, people might not have reacted as harshly as they just did.

Do you see the problem now?

You've just fucked the accountability chain.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:37 am
by duncathan
So unless I'm missing something here, sticky said that complaints about events should be directed to event feedback threads, yeah? If that's the case, how is this censorship? They just want the admin complaints forum to be about significant issues/rule breaking as far as I can tell, which seems pretty fair. I don't think this policy would prevent making a complaint after an admin ruined multiple rounds in a row or something, it's just so people don't go "I ded pls deadmin."

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:01 am
by Amnestik
duncathan wrote:So unless I'm missing something here, sticky said that complaints about events should be directed to event feedback threads, yeah?

That's akin to leaving feedback in the minor feedback thread on the feedback forums. Most coders probably don't bother spending the time to read it, and even if they do read it from time to time, they probably ignore most of it.

The problem is that this prevents admins from being punished for bad events, especially when they just messed with players for their own amusement and then retroactively called it an event when they were called out afterwards.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:28 am
by Not-Dorsidarf
As a coder, I read all the feedback. All of it.
obviously I dont do anything about the feedback that would be hard

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:49 pm
by QuartzCrystal
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how those servers hold their admins more accountable than we do.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:29 pm
by Stickymayhem
Amnestik wrote:
duncathan wrote:So unless I'm missing something here, sticky said that complaints about events should be directed to event feedback threads, yeah?

That's akin to leaving feedback in the minor feedback thread on the feedback forums. Most coders probably don't bother spending the time to read it, and even if they do read it from time to time, they probably ignore most of it.

The problem is that this prevents admins from being punished for bad events, especially when they just messed with players for their own amusement and then retroactively called it an event when they were called out afterwards.


Every admin reads their feedback threads religiously. It's much more likely to affect change when constructive criticism is given to the right people rather than a globally disruptive complaint that causes an unreasonable amount of drama for weeks.

Re: Admin Complaints about Events

PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:12 pm
by peoplearestrange
Also the only (as far as I could see) server that has headmin elections, admin feedback threads, and a dedicated forum section to admin complaints, as well as a policy discussion forum.