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Bottom post of the previous page:

If only this was glorious preferences based voting it would already be sorted, oh well.

I stand by my opinion that voting for bluespace is a bad idea.

I stand by my opinion that voting for Ikkarus is voting for heavy handed "roleplay" and "play my way" administration.

Hornygranny is HBL v2.

Bluespace wont get any respect from anyone in current administration and will have little impact.

Also find it hilarious that out of 7 candidates 4(!) are going to second round. Over half. Democracy ho, that tied vote.

I included Pandarsenic's endorsement in the candidate list. If Staub and Leo would like to endorse anyone please let us know soon.

I offer no endorsements, but I will say in the interests of both the admin team and playerbase, of which their respective headmins are meant to represent, do not vote HG for player headmin and create a coderbus majority over all headmin decisions.

Well, technically speaking we aren't sure it's a two-way tie for 3rd.

If even one person used a second ckey to vote for either candidate twice it breaks the tie and we'll have a proper runoff between the top 3.

Hell for all we yet know all of my votes could've come from a very enthusiastic Tonto.

Vote for Ikarrus if you were going to vote for me, I am bowing out.

>39 votes for HG

I don't even.

IKARRUS VS ANONE

THE RAGE CAGE IS ON

A CHUTES AND LADDERS MATCH

What's going to happen to the votes for HG, are they just gone?

It's a run-off vote. Login to the server, click player votes, and vote again

This time there are only three candidates to vote for.

An0n3 wrote:It's a run-off vote. Login to the server, click player votes, and vote again

This time there are only three candidates to vote for.

Oh, I'll have to do that then. Thanks.

I would just like to post a round of applause for our Fat Controller QuartzCrystal, for taking the time to kick the boulder until it rolled down the hill.


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To be fair SG had a bit of an angry tirade that started everything rolling.

Quartz has been good about organizing this portion of the forums and keeping people informed.

An0n3 wrote:To be fair SG had a bit of an angry tirade that started everything rolling.

Quartz has been good about organizing this portion of the forums and keeping people informed.

>not giving me full credit


No but yeah, Subtle started this with the Headminstration 2.0 thread, I just kept it going to the logical conclusion.

When does the second vote end? I've heard differing information.

If you go into the poll ingame it says it ends at 2014-10-31 23:59:59 server time.

For the admins' vote: if we use Preferential/Instant-Runoff (Australia style woop woop), sent to 1-2 coordinators + SoS for verification, we can have an anonymous list of preferences sent to the people taking the votes, then post the individual ballots but not the names attached, so each person can (in theory) recognize their own ballot and have our total listing verified by hostman. We would then, well, use an instant runoff process as mentioned. We can even run it concurrently with the vote for HG to be the coder Headmin so that we can simply eliminate the coder headmin from the listing because Instant Runoff is basically the best electoral system.

We should use whatever system allows us to sidestep the perceived necessity for "strategic" voting.

Ikarrus wrote:We should use whatever system allows us to sidestep the perceived necessity for "strategic" voting.

That'd be instant runoff. Completely and utterly negates all voting strategy other than "List my preferences in order".

The problem with instant runoff is that only the second choices of the least desirable candidate are counted.

Lets say there are four candidates. A & B have similar stances (stance X), as do C & D (stance y)

Stance X is more popular with the electorate so first round of voting is thus:
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 22%
D - 18%

So A is in the lead after the first count but stance X is split between A and B so neither has a majority
D is eliminated but guess who they voted as second choice.

So second round ends up being :
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 40%

So the candidate which 60% of voters didn't want ends up being elected.

Yyyyup. Democracy is broken.

lol guys everyone knows the best system is proportional representation.

Anyways, admins have a thread to discuss how we'll vote in the secret admin forums.

Your example is incorrect. C would actually be eliminated before ballot conclusion leading to a next step where the next preference of their vote would decide the ultimate conclusion and at the last 2 runner step A or B are likely to have a majority. *

Glorious compulsory vote would be optimal too. Don't vote don't play.

*rare equal number of votes scenario means a perfect 50 50 split could still happen

Malkevin wrote: So second round ends up being :
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 40%

Then clearly the solution is to simply hold a second runoff and get rid of B. Assuming everyone who voted for B has A as their second choice, you get

A - 60%
C - 40%

Which I think about matches up with what the electors wanted, really.

Why do you only have two preferences initially? Limited pencils due to poverty? Poor numeracy skills?

I never got around to posting the post clean votes of round 1:
In sort: Excludes new accounts and throwaway/idle accounts who have not played the game much or at all (ie: likely throwaway/alt accounts). Also excludes all admin and .txt coder votes.
While this likely caught some false positives, any changes to the vote ranking from the pre-clean actually gets investigated to ensure legit votes are counted.

In this case, this did not actually change the ranking at all, as votes of new players, inactive players were evenly spread about. And there doesn't seem to be any suggestions someone tried to rig it. HG/ikky losing so votes was mainly from having admin's vote not counted.

No votes were removed, just excluded from the count. So sos can check all my numbers himself. (nor do I have write access to the game database.)

MrStonedOne wrote: In sort: Excludes new accounts and throwaway/idle accounts who have not played the game much or at all (ie: likely throwaway/alt accounts). Also excludes all admin and .txt coder votes.

When you say admin votes removed I assume you mean In Game Admins only right? Or does that include ALL admins?

Anyone on the admins.txt.

Update on this..?

Pre-clean: Post-Clean: scaredofshadows> yeah let's do another runoff between the two but it should only go until monday around 6pm EST


EDIT: actual sql used to calculate the results have been edited in

MMP is the best democratic system

17:20 <+oranges> MrStonedOne: are you able to expand on why ikkarus had so many
bogus votes?
17:20 < Ikarrus> admin votes
17:20 <%MrStonedOne> admin votes were excluded

I asked many an idler to vote for me, no wonder so many votes disappeared.

AN0n3 one-upping me like a pro.

Yeah this is a bit whacked. I just walked in the door and sat down to a bunch of people like "HAIL THE NEW HEADMIN" and there's only a single vote margin. That's not cool.

If it's alright with everyone I think we should do a third runoff vote just between Bluespace and myself. For all intents and purposes 78 vs 77 is just another tie.

After a fair bit of thought, i've decided to concede to An0n3. (who won anyway)
All hail new headmin An0n3.
Here's to the future.

And that concludes the player vote for headmin.

Stay tuned for the results of the coder and admin votes, soon we will have our triumvirate.

I appreciate everyone voting for me, but I'm also aware of the many number of people who didn't. I'm going to do my best to look at Bluespace's platform and incorporate as much of that as I can in an effort to provide a result that more players can be satisfied with. I'm aware you can't make everyone happy all the time, but looking at the numbers I'm keenly aware that there are more people who did not vote for me than did.

It's the goal of a good leader to do right by everyone, not just their constituents. So I'll strive to maintain a policy that is true to my own standards while also incorporating more of the ideas of my competitors.

Thank you.

An0n3 wrote:I appreciate everyone voting for me, but I'm also aware of the many number of people who didn't. I'm going to do my best to look at Bluespace's platform and incorporate as much of that as I can in an effort to provide a result that more players can be satisfied with. I'm aware you can't make everyone happy all the time, but looking at the numbers I'm keenly aware that there are more people who did not vote for me than did.

It's the goal of a good leader to do right by everyone, not just their constituents. So I'll strive to maintain a policy that is true to my own standards while also incorporating more of the ideas of my competitors.

Thank you.

this right here is why you deserve this position
you actually care about the players and what they think is right

How many abstain votes were there?

Why the hell are having a triumvirate for a bloody futuristic space station?

jyxpe wrote:Why the hell are having a triumvirate for a bloody futuristic space station?

Check out this guy who hates murica and freedums.

Violaceus wrote:>murica
>freedoms

Pick one, you silly.

You are the reason the e-terrorists win against this glorious G-d fearing nation.

I'll be updating the second OP with the results from the coder and admin votes as they become official.

I dunno I think tonto's gonna win the coder vote guys HG has some real competition

QuartzCrystal wrote:IT WOULD APPEAR HORNYGRANNY HAS WON THE CODER VOTE!

So surprise. Many shocking.

Though I did not vote for you, I'm happy with the result. Good luck with the new position!

QuartzCrystal wrote:THE ADMIN VOTE HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND, THEY HAVE VOTED FOR IKARRUS!

Triumvirate complete. Thanks for coming out everybody.

and nobody was surprised about any of the results

At least it happened.