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Post by danno » #275994

:)

What do you boys think about making it so that in character setup, instead of having:

Name: [ ]

We have:

First name: [ ] Last name: [ ]

lizards would have 3 boxes to fill with dashes in between, plasmamen would have 2 boxes (one for a roman numeral)
clown names and shit would still be 1 box
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Post by iamgoofball » #275996

Why are names this much of a problem
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Post by Qbopper » #276001

iamgoofball wrote:Why are names this much of a problem
because the name policy isn't written down so it keeps popping up

re the original post: If the name policy is going to be upheld I don't see why not, though I don't know if I like the lizard idea/clowns and mimes should keep the same system
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Post by cedarbridge » #276002

Too much of a hassle and too restrictive when we have more than 3 races anyway. The policy is good enough and only a few vocal parties make a big deal out of it.

Doesn't really solve the problem it seeks to solve anyway since there's nothing stopping me from just running around as "Dick Butt" or whatever other stupid name within the two-names framework but still within the complaint range of the policy.
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cedarbridge wrote:Doesn't really solve the problem it seeks to solve anyway since there's nothing stopping me from just running around as "Dick Butt" or whatever other stupid name within the two-names framework but still within the complaint range of the policy.
the vast majority of my name related ahelps have been "hey that doesn't follow firstname lastname please fix that", though, so it would certainly help
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Post by oranges » #276308

because we as coders disagree with your policy and it's also not followed by many of our downstreams.
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Fun fact, downstreams are the sole reason we can't unify code and policy properly and basically they ruin everything ;)
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Dumb names are mildly annoying but it's your job as admin to keep it straight, not get the coders to prop you up because you can't be bothered to stand.
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ShadowDimentio wrote:Dumb names are mildly annoying but it's your job as admin to keep it straight, not get the coders to prop you up because you can't be bothered to stand.
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Saegrimr wrote: wew
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Post by imblyings » #276377

fuck off my OC's have more than two words in their names
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Post by lntigracy » #276401

My name is Poopfeast Fourtwenty, thankfully it falls within the guidelines presented in this thread.
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Post by Grazyn » #276409

But what about 3-part names like Allad Minsa Recucks?
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Grazyn wrote:But what about 3-part names like Allad Minsa Recucks?
I want to play as Cash "Bigg" Johnson again, the hot shot lawyer who advertises his shitty law firm all over the station via PDA junk mail and crayon messages in the hall with promises of helping you sue literally anyone and everyone on the station and get all the space cash settlements your heart desires.
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Post by imblyings » #276419

The rules currently are nothing excessively OC, it should try to fit in within a wacky space station setting, and admins can change them if they think it's dumb. Admins might not warn or ban you for names they don't like, but nothing stops them from changing a name on the spot.

I personally think nicknames are fine, Cash "Bigg" Johnson don't ruin someones SS13 round, but such nicknames are currently the subject of an admin memo MOTD.
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Grazyn wrote:But what about 3-part names like Allad Minsa Recucks?
It's an obviously silly name but it's obfuscated, has a first and last name, is phonetically sound, and isn't instantly obvious it's a bunch of words mashed together. Joke names are ok, names like Clown Fuckersixty Niner that involve no effort will be dicked around with by admins as they want.
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Post by Qbopper » #276453

Just wanted to make it public that I had missed the memo and we're only supposed to be nuking firstname "nickname" lastname formatted names, otherwise the name policy is the above
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Lmao so anti-RP you destroy nicknames that have effort put into them LMAO
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PKPenguin321 wrote:Fun fact, downstreams are the sole reason we can't unify code and policy properly and basically they ruin everything ;)
What are configs?
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I have never asked this before because traditionally "it would mess with downstreams" has been used to block features that i do not terribly like, but why are we at all beholden to our downstream servers other then rudimentary politeness? Surely if they are that against a feature we implement that badly they can either fork or code a revert on their own branch, right?
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Post by iamgoofball » #276602

You guys aren't answering my question:

How and Why are weird out of the ordinary names so much of a problem that we need to have the administrators step in?
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iamgoofball wrote:You guys aren't answering my question:

How and Why are weird out of the ordinary names so much of a problem that we need to have the administrators step in?
Yeah, why would people want more immersion in a roleplaying game? We will never untangle this mystery.
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leibniz wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:You guys aren't answering my question:

How and Why are weird out of the ordinary names so much of a problem that we need to have the administrators step in?
Yeah, why would people want more immersion in a roleplaying game? We will never untangle this mystery.
You can ahelp if you think a name is too immersion-breaking.

I think that pushing hard-coded name policy will just give new players the incorrect impression that tgstation is a mid/high-RP server.
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I don't necessarily agree with hard coding name structure but being actually concerned that people might RP more than they do now like it is a bad thing is fucking laughable
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Wyzack wrote:I don't necessarily agree with hard coding name structure but being actually concerned that people might RP more than they do now like it is a bad thing is fucking laughable
I'd personally like more RP but it is a fact that tgstation is a (very) light-RP server. New players will be getting conflicting signs when they're presented with a high-RP feature like hardcoded name policy only to see others shout memes in all caps over the radio, "IT'S REV" and such as soon as they step on the station. We already have new players constantly asking on OOC wether certain roleplay features apply here (like immediately shouting the name of your killer right off the cloner etc.) because the confusion is real. We should just accept the server is light/no-RP instead of trying to push these "policies" which go against the flow.
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Post by Wyzack » #276614

>It is in the dumpster so we should all wallow in the trash

I strongly disagree and i think the recent memos on ghostbegging and not referencing out of character concepts like rounds and roundtype are a massive step in the right direction
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Post by cedarbridge » #276626

Grazyn wrote:We should just accept the server is light/no-RP instead of trying to push these "policies" which go against the flow.
No, there are plenty of servers where this is already the case. TG is not one of them. Please stop pushing the meme.
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Post by imblyings » #276637

>/tg/ is low/no rp

if I hear this meme one more time

It's a defeatist cop-out by people who don't know better. RP is playing your character in a way that makes sense in your setting or context. In CM this means not doing surgery as a grunt because their setting don't allow grunts to have advanced medical knowledge, so being shot means emoting yelling and being in pain until a doctor tends to you. In /tg/, we have no restrictions in our settings, so assistants are allowed to be fully fledged medical professionals, so any assistant can start patching up the wounded. Both are roleplay- one setting just allows for far more than the other. All it means is that CM likes to limit what a player can do with their setting while /tg/ limits what a player can do by their own skill and desire to do something.

What is not roleplay is when someone does something not consistent with the setting or context. On CM that would be a grunt fixing himself up. On /tg/, it would be something like yelling out 'THE ROUNDTYPE IS REV' because as generous as our setting is, there's very little IC justification to use those words and it's very much more likely the person yelling it is instead referencing an OOC concept.

Please don't confuse RP with more detailed settings.
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Post by Qbopper » #276712

The explanation I like is that on /tg/ people are roleplaying as half insane demigods

Remote cloning means your death is entirely irrelevant, and immortality is no big deal - it makes sense that people might go slightly crazy, and that employees who stick around longer would begin to grow jaded and more robust - if you spend X time as an engineer IC, you can do surgery because you could have spent even longer in past lives as a doctor

"/tg/ is low rp" is a stupid thing to say, because it equates us with servers that make no effort to maintain any semblance of setting or lore

this is why we
  • bwoink people for using netspeak IC
  • bwoink people for ooc in ic
  • bwoink people for names that are obviously not ok, like number spam or something
  • have centcomm messages come from centcomm and not "admin announcements"
  • have people who will play along with in character gimmicks like inspectors
to name just a few

EDIT: wanted to add that since I'm aware I was misinterpreting the name policy I'm not in favor of an enforced character name format in code
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #276715

The phrase RP has been memeified the same way the term greytide has. It means we're a D&D-esque traditional style game, where situations and stories are built by immersive player interaction while still allowing excessively wacky and hilarious situations to sprout up. RP doesn't mean "if you don't emote breathing and respect my cat OC I will ban you."
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PKPenguin321 wrote:The phrase RP has been memeified the same way the term minor IC crime has. It means we're a D&D-esque traditional style game, where situations and stories are built by immersive player interaction while still allowing excessively wacky and hilarious situations to sprout up. RP doesn't mean "if you don't emote breathing and respect my cat OC I will ban you."
the problem with this arises from people outside of /tg/ using RP in a more traditional sense you describe, but people from /tg/ using the meme definition

at least that's what I see outside of the forums/in game
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Qbopper wrote:Remote cloning means your death is entirely irrelevant, and immortality is no big deal - it makes sense that people might go slightly crazy, and that employees who stick around longer would begin to grow jaded and more robust - if you spend X time as an engineer IC, you can do surgery because you could have spent even longer in past lives as a doctor
Thing is unless you are religious or believe in souls in another way cloning is scary AF and your death is not actually irrelevant. Sure you have all your old memories but, you are not the guy that died. You are guy with his/her looks and memories, an imitation. The real you died before your first cloning. The new you is just a fraud, an impostor that seems completely identical but is actually a new person born of the cloner.
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Never forgetti that the server that claims to hail from the tabletop rpg board has less rp than the videogame general server
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Owegno wrote:
Qbopper wrote:Remote cloning means your death is entirely irrelevant, and immortality is no big deal - it makes sense that people might go slightly crazy, and that employees who stick around longer would begin to grow jaded and more robust - if you spend X time as an engineer IC, you can do surgery because you could have spent even longer in past lives as a doctor
Thing is unless you are religious or believe in souls in another way cloning is scary AF and your death is not actually irrelevant. Sure you have all your old memories but, you are not the guy that died. You are guy with his/her looks and memories, an imitation. The real you died before your first cloning. The new you is just a fraud, an impostor that seems completely identical but is actually a new person born of the cloner.
all the more reason for people to completely fucking snap, the distinction of "am I still me?" is enough to fuck someone up
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That was mostly my point, but I found it wrong to say death is irrelevant since I have a feeling most spacemen are atheists.
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I wanted to avoid actual religious/philosophy is all
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lntigracy wrote:Never forgetti that the server that claims to hail from the tabletop rpg board has less rp than the videogame general server
I wonder how many players who can trace their lineage back to 4chan.org/tg/ are still here
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Grazyn wrote:
lntigracy wrote:Never forgetti that the server that claims to hail from the tabletop rpg board has less rp than the videogame general server
I wonder how many players who can trace their lineage back to 4chan.org/tg/ are still here
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Post by oranges » #276814

Moving this to policy because it's what it has become, aside, the name policy is the most garbage thing the admins have ever done and I hate everyone involved in producing it.
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oranges wrote:Moving this to policy because it's what it has become, aside, the name policy is the most garbage thing the admins have ever done and I hate everyone involved in producing it.
isn't it dead beyond "don't have awful names or firstname nickname lastname" though
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Post by oranges » #276838

why would you even make it more than "don't have an awful name like Hitler"
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Post by Qbopper » #276839

because people were abusing the nickname format and the headmins got tired of it? I didn't make the change, I don't know the details

it was old anyways so the new team can throw it out at any time
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oranges wrote:Moving this to policy because it's what it has become, aside, the name policy is the most garbage thing the admins have ever done and I hate everyone involved in producing it.
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Post by Qbopper » #276860

it's in his signature so it's ok
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"abusing"

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>implying the admin conspiracy wasen't just confirmed by a admin.
see, i told you motherfuckers.
NikNakFlak wrote:this isn't a game you can't just post whenever you want
I don't even know what the fuck tg is.

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Re: Restrictive Naming in Character Setup

Post by PKPenguin321 » #276883

John_Oxford wrote:you aren't having fun MY way.

was i really wrong about the case of autistic powertripping kikes making up the majority of the administration scuse me coderbase

was I REALLY WRONG
>tfw you cant sign up as XXX HITLER NIGGERDICKS XXX
stupid KIKE admins
i play Lauser McMauligan. clown name is Cold-Ass Honkey
i have three other top secret characters as well.
tell the best admin how good he is
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Re: Restrictive Naming in Character Setup

Post by danno » #276914

I honestly made this as a bait thread lmao
Hornygranny wrote: wtf i like danno now
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I don't even play ss13 anymore, pretty much due to dannos stupid bullshit
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Re: Restrictive Naming in Character Setup

Post by lzimann » #276945

lntigracy wrote:"abusing"

you never cease to amaze
Why are you, a person with no involvement with us anymore in any way, bothering to post here? Can't stand a minute without having attention?

Anyway, on topic, name policies other than "don't have a stupid borderline ooc name", is stupid and is not fun for anyone.
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