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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Incomptinence » #38997

Bottom post of the previous page:

If only this was glorious preferences based voting it would already be sorted, oh well.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by NikNakFlak » #38998

I stand by my opinion that voting for bluespace is a bad idea.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by UtterNewbie » #39032

I stand by my opinion that voting for Ikkarus is voting for heavy handed "roleplay" and "play my way" administration.

Hornygranny is HBL v2.

Bluespace wont get any respect from anyone in current administration and will have little impact.

Also find it hilarious that out of 7 candidates 4(!) are going to second round. Over half. Democracy ho, that tied vote.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by QuartzCrystal » #39035

I included Pandarsenic's endorsement in the candidate list. If Staub and Leo would like to endorse anyone please let us know soon.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Comrade Leo » #39036

I offer no endorsements, but I will say in the interests of both the admin team and playerbase, of which their respective headmins are meant to represent, do not vote HG for player headmin and create a coderbus majority over all headmin decisions.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Timbrewolf » #39053

Well, technically speaking we aren't sure it's a two-way tie for 3rd.

If even one person used a second ckey to vote for either candidate twice it breaks the tie and we'll have a proper runoff between the top 3.

Hell for all we yet know all of my votes could've come from a very enthusiastic Tonto.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Hornygranny » #39075

Vote for Ikarrus if you were going to vote for me, I am bowing out.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Cipher3 » #39095

>39 votes for HG

I don't even.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by paprika » #39105

IKARRUS VS ANONE

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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Nienhaus » #39144

What's going to happen to the votes for HG, are they just gone?
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Timbrewolf » #39148

It's a run-off vote. Login to the server, click player votes, and vote again

This time there are only three candidates to vote for.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Nienhaus » #39150

An0n3 wrote:It's a run-off vote. Login to the server, click player votes, and vote again

This time there are only three candidates to vote for.
Oh, I'll have to do that then. Thanks.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by oranges » #39289

I would just like to post a round of applause for our Fat Controller QuartzCrystal, for taking the time to kick the boulder until it rolled down the hill.


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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Timbrewolf » #39309

To be fair SG had a bit of an angry tirade that started everything rolling.

Quartz has been good about organizing this portion of the forums and keeping people informed.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by QuartzCrystal » #39315

An0n3 wrote:To be fair SG had a bit of an angry tirade that started everything rolling.

Quartz has been good about organizing this portion of the forums and keeping people informed.
>not giving me full credit


No but yeah, Subtle started this with the Headminstration 2.0 thread, I just kept it going to the logical conclusion.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Bluespace » #39379

When does the second vote end? I've heard differing information.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by QuartzCrystal » #39385

If you go into the poll ingame it says it ends at 2014-10-31 23:59:59 server time.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Pandarsenic » #39394

For the admins' vote: if we use Preferential/Instant-Runoff (Australia style woop woop), sent to 1-2 coordinators + SoS for verification, we can have an anonymous list of preferences sent to the people taking the votes, then post the individual ballots but not the names attached, so each person can (in theory) recognize their own ballot and have our total listing verified by hostman. We would then, well, use an instant runoff process as mentioned. We can even run it concurrently with the vote for HG to be the coder Headmin so that we can simply eliminate the coder headmin from the listing because Instant Runoff is basically the best electoral system.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Ikarrus » #39402

We should use whatever system allows us to sidestep the perceived necessity for "strategic" voting.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Aurx » #39428

Ikarrus wrote:We should use whatever system allows us to sidestep the perceived necessity for "strategic" voting.
That'd be instant runoff. Completely and utterly negates all voting strategy other than "List my preferences in order".
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Malkevin » #39433

The problem with instant runoff is that only the second choices of the least desirable candidate are counted.

Lets say there are four candidates. A & B have similar stances (stance X), as do C & D (stance y)

Stance X is more popular with the electorate so first round of voting is thus:
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 22%
D - 18%

So A is in the lead after the first count but stance X is split between A and B so neither has a majority
D is eliminated but guess who they voted as second choice.

So second round ends up being :
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 40%

So the candidate which 60% of voters didn't want ends up being elected.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Cipher3 » #39436

Yyyyup. Democracy is broken.
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by oranges » Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:15 pm
Get out bluespace, you've not been relevant since you lost the elections

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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by QuartzCrystal » #39440

lol guys everyone knows the best system is proportional representation.

Anyways, admins have a thread to discuss how we'll vote in the secret admin forums.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Incomptinence » #39442

Your example is incorrect. C would actually be eliminated before ballot conclusion leading to a next step where the next preference of their vote would decide the ultimate conclusion and at the last 2 runner step A or B are likely to have a majority. *

Glorious compulsory vote would be optimal too. Don't vote don't play.

*rare equal number of votes scenario means a perfect 50 50 split could still happen
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by MisterPerson » #39445

Malkevin wrote: So second round ends up being :
A - 32%
B - 28%
C - 40%
Then clearly the solution is to simply hold a second runoff and get rid of B. Assuming everyone who voted for B has A as their second choice, you get

A - 60%
C - 40%

Which I think about matches up with what the electors wanted, really.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Incomptinence » #39448

Why do you only have two preferences initially? Limited pencils due to poverty? Poor numeracy skills?
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by MrStonedOne » #39482

I never got around to posting the post clean votes of round 1:

Code: Select all

+-------+-------------+
| votes | candidate   |
+-------+-------------+
|    39 | AN0n3       |
|    38 | Bluespace   |
|    31 | Ikarrus     |
|    29 | Hornygranny |
|    19 | Pandarsenic |
|    10 | MisterStaub |
|     4 | Comrade Leo |
+-------+-------------+
In sort: Excludes new accounts and throwaway/idle accounts who have not played the game much or at all (ie: likely throwaway/alt accounts). Also excludes all admin and .txt coder votes.
While this likely caught some false positives, any changes to the vote ranking from the pre-clean actually gets investigated to ensure legit votes are counted.

In this case, this did not actually change the ranking at all, as votes of new players, inactive players were evenly spread about. And there doesn't seem to be any suggestions someone tried to rig it. HG/ikky losing so votes was mainly from having admin's vote not counted.

No votes were removed, just excluded from the count. So sos can check all my numbers himself. (nor do I have write access to the game database.)
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by peoplearestrange » #39563

MrStonedOne wrote: In sort: Excludes new accounts and throwaway/idle accounts who have not played the game much or at all (ie: likely throwaway/alt accounts). Also excludes all admin and .txt coder votes.
When you say admin votes removed I assume you mean In Game Admins only right? Or does that include ALL admins?
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Jordie0608 » #39575

Anyone on the admins.txt.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by paprika » #39883

Update on this..?
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by MrStonedOne » #39893

Pre-clean:

Code: Select all

mysql> select count(*) as votes, c.candidate from erro_poll_vote as v left join (select o.id, o.text as candidate, o.percentagecalc from erro_poll_option as o where o.pollid = 105) as c on (c.id = v.optionid) where v.pollid = 105 and c.percentagecalc != 0 group by optionid order by votes desc;
+-------+-----------+
| votes | candidate |
+-------+-----------+
|    97 | Bluespace |
|    96 | AN0n3     |
|    73 | Ikarrus   |
+-------+-----------+
3 rows in set (0.12 sec)
Post-Clean:

Code: Select all

mysql> select count(*) as votes, c.candidate from erro_poll_vote as v left join (select o.id, o.text as candidate, o.percentagecalc from erro_poll_option as o where o.pollid = 105) as c on (c.id = v.optionid) left join (select pp.firstseen, pp.ckey, pp.lastadminrank from erro_player as pp) as p on (p.ckey = v.ckey) where v.pollid = 105 and c.percentagecalc != 0 and p.firstseen < "2014-10-24" and p.lastadminrank = "Player" and p.ckey in (select ckey from erro_connection_log where datetime between "2014-07-24" and "2014-10-24" group by ckey having count(ckey) > 10) group by optionid order by votes desc;
+-------+-----------+
| votes | candidate |
+-------+-----------+
|    78 | AN0n3     |
|    77 | Bluespace |
|    46 | Ikarrus   |
+-------+-----------+
3 rows in set (0.89 sec)
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by oranges » #39895

MMP is the best democratic system
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by oranges » #39896

17:20 <+oranges> MrStonedOne: are you able to expand on why ikkarus had so many
bogus votes?
17:20 < Ikarrus> admin votes
17:20 <%MrStonedOne> admin votes were excluded
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Bluespace » #39901

I asked many an idler to vote for me, no wonder so many votes disappeared.

AN0n3 one-upping me like a pro.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Timbrewolf » #39904

Yeah this is a bit whacked. I just walked in the door and sat down to a bunch of people like "HAIL THE NEW HEADMIN" and there's only a single vote margin. That's not cool.

If it's alright with everyone I think we should do a third runoff vote just between Bluespace and myself. For all intents and purposes 78 vs 77 is just another tie.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Bluespace » #39934

After a fair bit of thought, i've decided to concede to An0n3. (who won anyway)
All hail new headmin An0n3.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by QuartzCrystal » #39951

And that concludes the player vote for headmin.

Stay tuned for the results of the coder and admin votes, soon we will have our triumvirate.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Timbrewolf » #40000

I appreciate everyone voting for me, but I'm also aware of the many number of people who didn't. I'm going to do my best to look at Bluespace's platform and incorporate as much of that as I can in an effort to provide a result that more players can be satisfied with. I'm aware you can't make everyone happy all the time, but looking at the numbers I'm keenly aware that there are more people who did not vote for me than did.

It's the goal of a good leader to do right by everyone, not just their constituents. So I'll strive to maintain a policy that is true to my own standards while also incorporating more of the ideas of my competitors.

Thank you.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by miggles » #40032

An0n3 wrote:I appreciate everyone voting for me, but I'm also aware of the many number of people who didn't. I'm going to do my best to look at Bluespace's platform and incorporate as much of that as I can in an effort to provide a result that more players can be satisfied with. I'm aware you can't make everyone happy all the time, but looking at the numbers I'm keenly aware that there are more people who did not vote for me than did.

It's the goal of a good leader to do right by everyone, not just their constituents. So I'll strive to maintain a policy that is true to my own standards while also incorporating more of the ideas of my competitors.

Thank you.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Jordie0608 » #40144

How many abstain votes were there?
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by jyxpe » #40174

Why the hell are having a triumvirate for a bloody futuristic space station?
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Comrade Leo » #40195

jyxpe wrote:Why the hell are having a triumvirate for a bloody futuristic space station?
Check out this guy who hates murica and freedums.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Comrade Leo » #40200

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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by QuartzCrystal » #41507

I'll be updating the second OP with the results from the coder and admin votes as they become official.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by paprika » #41544

I dunno I think tonto's gonna win the coder vote guys HG has some real competition
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by Cipher3 » #41584

QuartzCrystal wrote:IT WOULD APPEAR HORNYGRANNY HAS WON THE CODER VOTE!
So surprise. Many shocking.
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DEAD: Ichigo Momomiya says, "Coravin's just an ass."

Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

by oranges » Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:15 pm
Get out bluespace, you've not been relevant since you lost the elections

That said, I think there are a shitton of degenerates here and I'd probably gas the lot of you if I had the chance. ~Loonikus


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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by peoplearestrange » #42387

Though I did not vote for you, I'm happy with the result. Good luck with the new position!
Whatever
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Operative wrote:Vote PAS for headmin! Get cucked and feel good getting cucked.
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NikNakFlak wrote:Excuse you, I was doing intentional bug testing for the well being of the server. I do not make mistakes.
Fragnostic wrote:stop cucking the first shitshow ever that revolved around me.
This is my moment, what are you doing?!
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callanrockslol wrote:all you have to do is ban shitters until the playbase improves/ceases to exist, whichever comes first.
IM TRYING
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confused rock wrote:...its like if we made fire extinguishers spawn in emergency boxes and have them heal you when you put out fires rather than them being in wall storages...
Are you having a stroke
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by QuartzCrystal » #42401

QuartzCrystal wrote:THE ADMIN VOTE HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND, THEY HAVE VOTED FOR IKARRUS!
Triumvirate complete. Thanks for coming out everybody.
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by miggles » #42496

and nobody was surprised about any of the results
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Re: Headmin Election General

Post by paprika » #42519

At least it happened.
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