/tg/Station 13

medbay decided to ban lizards from their premises because, and i quote, "fuck lizards." came in when i got hurt to cyro myself and got repeatedly beaten, tabled, stripped, and shoved in disposals. here's what became of it:
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[response was that it "falls under lizard territory"]
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now i realize that "lol lizards r dum xD" is one of /tg/stations dankest maymays, and im used to that, but players (and ESPECIALLY admins) should know when to keep it in check; if that isn't a blatant break of rule one, then i really dont know what is. please enforce this rule for all players, or just remove lizards from the game.

if this is ok however, thought the rest of you would want to suit up for sec and go have a good time.

But that's a rule 1 issue. You should get security to deal with it, or retaliate on your own. There's nothing more enjoyable in SS13 than getting some fierce revenge on some asshole who griefed you.

I mean the other day some miners were griefing the shit out of me, so what did I do? I removed every shuttle control console and circuit board in existence.

"We're all here to have a good time. If you're intentionally trying to ruin everyone else's good time, you won't have a place here."
"IE: Don't be a dick"
the response of "gitgud and robust them back" is not a good enough excuse. when the entire medbay is chain pushing you, you stand no chance no matter how robust you are.

What was your job by the by?

chef.

Fair enough, yeah not much you could have done to even the score without being a dick yourself and robbing some poor smuck of his good robusting gear. Knives suck, cleavers are barely better.

it didnt help that i had no knives since someone stole all of them. admins did give me a cult knife as a joke but i never hit any players with it. but hell, i couldve been in full riot gear and still got the shit beaten out of me, i suck at combat.

but anyway, the point is, being jerks to lizards is fine TO A POINT. when you are blatantly ruining the game for them you need to take a step back and reevaluate, and admins should enforce this.

A cult knife? Did you complain about the knifes being gone or did you receive it in response to your abuse?
And do you mean cult blade? because those are pretty fucking badass. not sure I've seen a knife as such.

Falamazeer wrote:A cult knife? Did you complain about the knifes being gone or did you receive it in response to your abuse?
And do you mean cult blade? because those are pretty fucking badass. not sure I've seen a knife as such.

well what happened was this:
i came into my station and saw there were no knives, so i prayed to the "chef gods" to give me one
i got a bunch of "best cookies"
prayed some more
got a best cookie renamed to be "knife"
prayed more
got a cult knife, used it to bake my cuisine

this was before i went to medbay, so it wasn't in response to the abuse, just to there being a lack of knives in the vendo-thing

e: yeah i meant blade, mb. its the one that looks a bit like a sickle

Where you the only lizardbro? It seems like a good opportunity to do some lizard rebellion/protests to me, could have some human sympathizers as well.

Well with a cultist blade (It's an esword) you really did have what you needed to fight them off.

THE MIGHTY GALVATRON wrote:Where you the only lizardbro? It seems like a good opportunity to do some lizard rebellion/protests to me, could have some human sympathizers as well.

wasnt the only one, others just got beaten once and stayed out

Falamazeer wrote:Well with a cultist blade (It's an esword) you really did have what you needed to fight them off.

1) admins probably would have been on me for that
2) 3 md's surrounding you spamming disarm > any melee weapon ever

there's a lot of people who aren't just hanging on the edge of their seat all the time for a reason to attack people out of revenge, and just want to do their jobs. Forcing other people to fight you when they're not interested is bad, especially if you're medbay of all things where you're supposed to heal people

And if he tried to cut one of them with the blade, someone would have probably disarmed him and he would have been swarmed, or sec would have dogpiled him and perma'd him/interrogated him about a cult/a billion other things that they don't want to worry about when they just want to chill out and cook stuff

Also, just to relay about this. Today, well yesterday rather, I was HoS and had a sec officer stripping/jacketing a atmos tech lizard for nearly murdering the clown with a spear. I demoted his ass, its annoying to see people abuse lizard players, I know its IC and all but holy shit. The medbay staff should've been hit by notehammers or jobbanhammers on that, if it wasnt nations then sec surely should've rained in on them.

When you say you entered medbay to cryo yourself, what exactly does that mean

>lizards get added
>Policy is made that lizards are second class citizens

>play lizard
>WAAAAHHHHH - why are people treating my spessul snowflake like dirt???111

Why play a role if you're not going in expectations clearly laid out for you?
You're as bad as people that play antag then complain about "MAH VALIDS" when people kill you, or asimov borgs that complain about being a slave to humanity.

@Oranges: Time it right and you can get cryo to activate while you're inside.
Works best with lag, do it all the time as MD to save having to ask others to turn it on.

Last I checked you can turn cryo on whilst it's empty.
I've done the self service thing plenty of times.

Recently I learned AI and borgs are free to kill and abuse lizards under Asimov, since they are not human. Apparently also admin approved.

Rule 1 still applies, though, if you're doing it just to be a cockbite the administration should slap your shit.

Which I somewhat doubt they will.

mosquitoman wrote:Recently I learned AI and borgs are free to kill and abuse lizards under Asimov, since they are not human. Apparently also admin approved.

But they're not.

They can abuse non-humans, and even kill the non-humans if they fight back, but they can't skip straight past go and start liggagedon.

Malkevin wrote:>lizards get added
>Policy is made that lizards are second class citizens

>play lizard
>WAAAAHHHHH - why are people treating my spessul snowflake like dirt???111

Why play a role if you're not going in expectations clearly laid out for you?
You're as bad as people that play antag then complain about "MAH VALIDS" when people kill you, or asimov borgs that complain about being a slave to humanity.

Ban lizards from important jobs 2015.


Also on the cryo thing jump into it and then get out so you are on the same tile as it, then turn the cryo on and click the close button on the UI, guaranteed self-service.

They're already blocked from command, as long as the config file's not been altered recently.

Malkevin wrote:They're already blocked from command, as long as the config file's not been altered recently.

Not sec though.

Player in question has been banned for a week and a permanent headban.

ps. don't be a dick.

Malkevin wrote:>lizards get added
>Policy is made that lizards are second class citizens

>play lizard
>WAAAAHHHHH - why are people treating my spessul snowflake like dirt???111

Why play a role if you're not going in expectations clearly laid out for you?
You're as bad as people that play antag then complain about "MAH VALIDS" when people kill you, or asimov borgs that complain about being a slave to humanity.

The slippery slope is real.

Soon we'll have roundstart cat people demanding equal rights.

Couldn't you just make an admin complaint instead of being passive aggressive

Malkevin wrote:>lizards get added
>Policy is made that lizards are second class citizens

>play lizard
>WAAAAHHHHH - why are people treating my spessul snowflake like dirt???111

Why play a role if you're not going in expectations clearly laid out for you?
You're as bad as people that play antag then complain about "MAH VALIDS" when people kill you, or asimov borgs that complain about being a slave to humanity.

treated like dirt im used to and expect, but there's a difference between being referred to as "ligger" and being generally treated with disdain and just outright attacking them.

also, thank you admins for your response. i didnt mean for this thread to come off as passive aggressive so i apologize for that, meant more for the thread title to just grab attention so more people would be pulled into the discussion.

I warned you before you went in that they were targeting lizards and you told me you knew and that you killed their cat. You were full hp so I don't know why you went back in...

You can't just "target lizards" though.

Edited the title to avoid actual confusion from those that take this place seriously... which I guess is just new people.

Edit:

I also have to say I'm not entirely sure I'm happy about what's allegedly happened within that round. Being a dick to lizards is one thing, but basicly beating the shit out of them and preventing them from healing in any kind of fashion, is another. Also I really don't understand how medbay/cmo can justify the roleplay of this when they're supposed to be Doctors... Just seems so stupid.

Scott wrote:You can't just "target lizards" though.

I get that but be can't say he didn't expect to be attacked.

Someone just mentioned on the radio around round start something like 'let's not allow lizards' or something. I had to kill some doctor because he tabled me for 2 straight minutes while I was trying to gear up at round start fnr so I honestly didn't care what they wanted to do.

Sticky was the cmo I think, that's all I know I didn't hang around those shit doctors for long.

What do you have to say for yourself, sticky?

peoplearestrange wrote:preventing them from healing in any kind of fashion, is another.

Botany can make healing super dank
Cargo can order every type of first aid kit for a pittance
Science can make their own medbay, including chemistry, maybe even cryopods too
Robotics can make medbots

Medical isn't the sole domain of the healing arts.

And it's not like the lizard wasn't warned that medbay was being specist and then got randomly beat up, he forced his way in

Doesn't change the fact that medical was being shit for the sake of being shit, no?

Primum non nocere - First, do no harm. Anyone that plays CMO/Medical Doctor and fails to apply this should not play medical.

Aliannera wrote:Primum non nocere - First, do no harm. Anyone that plays CMO/Medical Doctor and fails to apply this should not play medical.

First, do not harm. However, when harmed, harm back in egregious amounts.

Anyways I support department heads having the ability to rule their area as they see fit, nobody is forcing you to play an inferior race. Suck it up and don't play lizard if you can't handle some people not wanting to deal with your disgusting scalie.

The ironic part is how by saying no lizards allowed a shit load of lizards kept coming in, even breaking into the cmo's office. Pretty funny.

This anti-lizard shit is so idiotic.

No, I don't play lizards. I don't have any interest in it. But being able to deny people access to key areas of the station/murder them for their race is fucking stupid and admins shouldn't condone it.

Shad0vvs wrote:The ironic part is how by saying no lizards allowed a shit load of lizards kept coming in, even breaking into the cmo's office. Pretty funny.

A lizard engineer eventually had enough of their shit and flooded medbay with plasma

It was fucking awesome.

Amnestik wrote:This anti-lizard shit is so idiotic.

No, I don't play lizards. I don't have any interest in it. But being able to deny people access to key areas of the station/murder them for their race is fucking stupid and admins shouldn't condone it.

^Mistreating lizards solely for being lizards got old a while ago now. "Gas the liggers race war now" might've been funny when lizardpeople were first available, but now it's a stale meme.

Maybe you shouldn't play shit furry bait if you don't want to get treated like shit

Seriously, this is a "can't handle the heat, get out of the rocket propulsion test chamber" scenario. If you cannot handle being treated as a lesser/being looked down upon, you should not be playing a non-human and you should not be complaining about it on the forums.

ENFORCE_HUMAN_AUTHORITY 1

Lizards don't have fur. Character background is not an excuse for killing people/breaking server rules.

Scones wrote:shit furry bait

but that's just your opinion though

Amnestik wrote:

Scones wrote:shit furry bait

but that's just your opinion though

It completely is their opinion, not representative of the admins or the rules either. Scones has already been quite vocal of their opinion of anything fur related, apparently that includes lizards now.

Anyway as Saegrimr has said this really shouldn't have happened and mob mentality sounded like it took over, on both sides.

Scones wrote:If you cannot handle being treated as a lesser/being looked down upon, you should not be playing a non-human and you should not be complaining about it on the forums.

Top work turning the OP's argument into a strawman, Scones.

peoplearestrange wrote:

Amnestik wrote:

Scones wrote:shit furry bait

but that's just your opinion though

It completely is their opinion, not representative of the admins or the rules either. Scones has already been quite vocal of their opinion of anything fur related, apparently that includes lizards now.

Anyway as Saegrimr has said this really shouldn't have happened and mob mentality sounded like it took over, on both sides.

Lizzards are the best 2nd class citizens.
Furs need to be subjected to Plasma Men sports.

Essentially the 2nd class people of space station 13 are supposed to be treated like shit, knowing they are 2nd class citzens
2nd class citzens complain about getting abused
Admins, whom of which are resposibile for the creation and interpetation of the 2nd class citzen, ban those who abused the 2nd class citzen


My sides, my fucking sides....