Disk Implantation is Powergaming?

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:59 am #278623

According to Cheridan it is. Of note: It was a war ops round. He was an op. And he says it's a "bug" because there's explicit checks for it. Sure, players read the code to see if there are checks for something so they know not to do it.

Post by **Cobby** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:14 am #278624

Considering dismemberment AND a surgery table is a part of the syndicate ship, I don't really see the dealio here.

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:15 am #278625

exactly. my theory is that he's salty about losing and is now making up rules which is not appropriate conduct for an admin

Post by **Cobby** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:17 am #278626

It used to be a not ok thing to do [well it wouldn't even allow you to do so], I don't want you to think he's pulling it out of his rear.

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:18 am #278627

hes also saying it's a bug: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/13533

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:23 am #278631

Is this the same round where I hid myself in a loop

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:26 am #278632

no its a round that just happened. i had it implanted in me

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:30 am #278633

In regards to the thread.

Wasn't it a long standing meme/tradition to implant the clown with the disk and making them run like an oiled pig?

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:48 am #278637

lmao.
https://gyazo.com/915bb1c40d8b780744005476b0495489
I present an argument and then he's like "are you guys still going on about this?" like nigga you just started it back up

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:50 am #278638

It's a bit excessive in my opinion. Booby trapping the disk is fine, but implantation is a pain in the ass to deal with and not all that clever

D&B · Post by **D&B** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:52 am #278639

>Hit person in chest many times with the saw in your shuttle
>Hit person with esword or edagger
>Operate them in your shuttle

How is it hard?

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:53 am #278640

with eswords being able to chop out organs + the disk it isn't even hard for the ops to get it out, the rule is outdated if its even a rule, which im pretty sure it isn't

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:17 am #278646

Hadn't considered the esword bit. I take back what I said, git gud

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:22 am #278647

>get Powar Gammer to whip up a few max caps
>mouse trap those bitches
>put disk and bomb in bag
>do what ever else to reinforse (ai sat, locker, r-walls, ect)
>if ops are not coordinated they fucking die from the crew and of they are they fie any ways from the bomb
>ggnore

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:41 am #278649

If you take the time to do all that, the crew deserves to win.

And uncoordinated ops lose most of the time anyway

Not-Dorsidarf · Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:37 pm

It *is* a bug I'm pretty sure, but its a solution to an outdated problem now that you can hack things out of people's chest cavities instead of it being stuck there 5ever

Aloraydrel · Post by **Aloraydrel** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:22 pm #278729

1. Take saw on the nuke op ship

2. saw the chest repeatedly

3. take disk that pours out of chest

done!

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:24 pm #278731

Aloraydrel wrote:1. Take Come the fuck on literally anything that's sharp and has more force than a shard come on guys on the nuke op ship

2. saw the chest repeatedly

3. take disk that pours out of chest

done!

Rudely fixed it for you.

Lumbermancer · Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:34 pm

Put the disk into a loaf of bread and then implant it. Syndies are allergic to gluten.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:54 pm #278740

no it's not powergaming

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:05 pm #278744

imblyings wrote:no it's not powergaming

Okay, thanks, that's all I needed to know.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:19 pm #278763

BeeSting12 wrote:exactly. my theory is that he's salty about losing and is now making up rules which is not appropriate conduct for an admin

Welcome newfriend, enjoy your stay.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:25 pm #278765

If cheridan was involved as both an admin and player in an adminhelp the appropriate actions will be taken. We don't let admins handle their own ahelps at all.

BeeSting12 · Post by **BeeSting12** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:53 pm #278780

imblyings wrote:If cheridan was involved as both an admin and player in an adminhelp the appropriate actions will be taken. We don't let admins handle their own ahelps at all.

he wasnt handling his own adminhelp, just mentioned in OOC that this was a bug + against the rules which is why I made this thread to clarify.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:07 pm #278785

By that I mean we don't let admins handle an issue that they were also involved in as a player. I took your posts to mean cheridan was a nuke op and later messaged you about nuke disk implanting.

Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:00 pm

Pretty sure that this is a bug though, this is explicitly disallowed by code iirc but is still functional for some reason

Remie Richards · Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:20 am

It was disallowed.
The disallowing code was broken.
Kor used "but it never worked" as his reason to remove the disallowing code.
Thus it's """allowed"""

PKPenguin321 wrote:Pretty sure that this is a bug though, this is explicitly disallowed by code iirc but is still functional for some reason

: Hmmm...

Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:29 pm

Remie Richards wrote:It was disallowed.
The disallowing code was broken.
Kor used "but it never worked" as his reason to remove the disallowing code.
Thus it's """allowed"""

PKPenguin321 wrote:Pretty sure that this is a bug though, this is explicitly disallowed by code iirc but is still functional for some reason

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>2015
the times, they are a changin'

Post by **oranges** » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:15 pm #279997

if cheridan says it's a bug it's a bug

Remie Richards · Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:26 am

oranges wrote:if cheridan says it's a bug it's a bug

if I say jump you say how high.

IrishWristWatch0 · Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:45 pm

>Putting the disk inside of the clown is frowned upon

We've hit a new low

Screemonster · Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:39 pm

oranges wrote:if cheridan says it's a bug it's a bug

Is the thing that's bugged even needed any more though, given that dismemberment makes it moot?

1. implanting the disk makes it hard to retrieve
2. code is added to make it impossible to implant the disk, in order to solve 1.
3. dismemberment makes implanted disks easy to retrieve
4. for some reason 2 breaks
5. Because of 4, the fix for 1, 2, is bugged even though 3 makes 1 no longer an issue.

There was a similar thing in polaris code. Hyperzine was hilariously OP and in response a PR was put in to make it toxic. People started just cutting it with antitoxin and it was still OP, so a later PR just made the movement boost less ridiculous, and now arguably there's no need for it to be toxic any more. And so the eternal cycle of nerf and buff continues.

Iatots · Post by **Iatots** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:17 pm #280266

read the thread

Clearly the code is not in anymore. Maybe Cheridan thought it was. Cheridan was mistaken in that case. Cheridan seems to have moved on. Maybe you should do like Cheridan? If you don't like Cheridan, and want to tell Cheridan about it, ----> https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=237

Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:50 pm

Iatots wrote:read the thread
ndisk.png
Clearly the code is not in anymore. Maybe Cheridan thought it was. Cheridan was mistaken in that case. Cheridan seems to have moved on. Maybe you should do like Cheridan? If you don't like Cheridan, and want to tell Cheridan about it, ----> https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=237

hey there you go i forgot about this pr
ok after a light rereading im swayed again this is fine
although i guess whether or not it's readded is up to cheridan kinda

Remie Richards · Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:01 pm

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Iatots wrote:read the thread
ndisk.png
Clearly the code is not in anymore. Maybe Cheridan thought it was. Cheridan was mistaken in that case. Cheridan seems to have moved on. Maybe you should do like Cheridan? If you don't like Cheridan, and want to tell Cheridan about it, ----> https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=237
hey there you go i forgot about this pr
ok after a light rereading im swayed again this is fine
although i guess whether or not it's readded is up to cheridan kinda

but I showed you above that you held that opinion on the PR.

Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:20 pm

ack you shoulda linked the full pr instead of just a comment

Iatots · Post by **Iatots** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:54 pm #280743

5th post pkp.

Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:59 pm

ack i skimmed it

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:09 pm #282619

It's funny how Cheridan's basically the only one who has yet to say anything in this thread.

oranges wrote:if cheridan says it's a bug it's a bug

Appeal to authority in cases where it's objectively wrong? Whoa.

tacolizard · Post by **tacolizard** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:13 pm #282645

If the syndies have a surgery table then how could it possibly be powergaming? Also: people rarely have enough time to get it implanted before the ops show up. AND iirc, somewhere on the wiki it even mentions the disk implantation strat.

If you ask me, real powergaming is doing the cheesewheel thing, putting it inside a ton of boxes, or under a huge stack of shit to right-click.

Post by **oranges** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:04 pm #282972

Sligneris wrote:It's funny how Cheridan's basically the only one who has yet to say anything in this thread.

oranges wrote:if cheridan says it's a bug it's a bug
Appeal to authority in cases where it's objectively wrong? Whoa.

It's not an appeal to authority, I am the authority and I'm saying it's a bug

Slignerd · Post by **Slignerd** » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:18 pm #282999

> Nuke disk block was broken at first.
> It was deliberately removed, as the current balance made it unnecessary in the first place.
> But I don't like the fact that it was.
> Therefore it's still a bug.

Supermichael777 · Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:49 pm

Ic issue tbh

with dismemebement its not even a challenge and if your too dumb to bang the rocks together then you deserve it tbh.

If you want a repercussion there are all sorts of nasty problems alien objects cause in the human body. Just run a google search and implement a horrible medical condition.

Reminder that the "separation of code and server is absolute" meme runs both ways.

Iatots · Post by **Iatots** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:11 am #283130

If your name is not cheridan stop posting.
Wish the headmemes were as quick locking "he said she said" threads like these as they are locking the regular "server culture is in the shitter do something about it" threads.