Unenforced Rule?

[tacolizard]

Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.
Short of metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.


also:

Purged silicons must not attempt to kill people without cause, but can get as violent as they feel necessary if being attacked, being besieged, or being harassed, as well as if meting out payback for events while shackled.

[Nilons]

Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.
Short of metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.

trouble is its an entire departments job to break that rule and its been well established that if they dont they lose

[Steelpoint]

If this is about security, they've always had a lot more leeway in recent times due to the nature of their job.

Considering security is one of the most unpopular roles currently, I think they should remain being allowed the benefit of the doubt.

[Armhulen]

That silicon policy should be gucking removed, I reminded butt blasted changelings that they aren't team antags all the time tho

[captain sawrge]

Bad thread

[Atlanta-Ned]

Considering security is one of the most unpopular roles currently

(fifth)

[captain sawrge]

If this is about cult/rev/gang/cc then the only option is to proactively search and this is apparently the type of gameplay people want or else these modes would not be so fiercely defended

[Steelpoint]

Either way, I think policy wise sec is fine.

[imblyings]

"without reasonable prior cause"

that's the key phrase here

[imblyings]

to explain the rule better perhaps, I made that rule during a time when certain players roamed maint with improvised stun and cuff gear, looking for people who seemed to be on their pda or organizing the start of a cult etc. The rule was there to cut down on roundstart and proactive cucking of antags who'd barely begun their round. There's no reasonable prior cause to be searching maint at roundstart for traitors.

if this is actually a thread about sec this is a silly thread. If reports of a cult summoning an actual eldritch god into existence popped up on an isolated space station in a setting where life is cheap and people can be cloned, were we a real 'high-rp''''''' server, we'd be '''''roleplaying'''''''''''' death camps all day during cult.

[Pascal125]

This doesn't appear to be about Security, as much as it is about Validhunters.
There are people who sign up as things other then Security then walk up and ask for guns/armor. Or generally gear themselves up to hunt Antags. Sometimes they will even stunprod and search people for gear. Or just jump people they suspect could be "valid". I remember when Cargo would continuously arm themselves with Combat Shotguns shift after shift and just unload onto anyone they find so much as smashing a window.

I mean, yeah. It's an issue. But if they don't do that stuff then we might have Murderboner #44576 On our hands. Which isn't any more interesting.

Conversion Gamemodes kind of require the crew proactively search as otherwise they run the risk of being converted or killed by the converted, however. As some use it as an excuse to kill everyone rather then get new converts, And nobody likes to sit in deadchat.

[PKPenguin321]

also:

Purged silicons must not attempt to kill people without cause, but can get as violent as they feel necessary if being attacked, being besieged, or being harassed, as well as if meting out payback for events while shackled.

what makes you think we don't enforce this?

[tacolizard]

also:

Purged silicons must not attempt to kill people without cause, but can get as violent as they feel necessary if being attacked, being besieged, or being harassed, as well as if meting out payback for events while shackled.

what makes you think we don't enforce this?

Because I've seen silicons harm when purged, without reason, and then have admins say it's kosher.

[PKPenguin321]

also:

Purged silicons must not attempt to kill people without cause, but can get as violent as they feel necessary if being attacked, being besieged, or being harassed, as well as if meting out payback for events while shackled.

what makes you think we don't enforce this?

Because I've seen silicons harm when purged, without reason, and then have admins say it's kosher.

Either you weren't getting the full story (likely) or admins were wrong. In the second case it's an admin issue and not a policy one.

[tacolizard]

Considering security is one of the most unpopular roles currently

(fifth)

That site is awesome! Can you add a way to see the odds of dying perjob/percentage of that job that die?

[InsaneHyena]

(fifth)

>Detective dead last
This is a fake chart

[tacolizard]

Am I correct in reading that assistants make up like 85% of deaths? kek

[PKPenguin321]

Am I correct in reading that assistants make up like 85% of deaths? kek

skewed since they're the most played job by far

[Screemonster]

they still have the highest deaths-to-playtime ratio

Also bear in mind that popularity will be skewed downwards in jobs that have limited/unique slots, so even if detective fills up every shift it's still gonna be less "popular" than assistant

[RandomMarine]

What would those statistics look like if suicides weren't counted?