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Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/Time

Postby TheWulfe » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:08 pm #304866

So this regrettable situation came up in a round I was in:

We were Clockcult and the main tier-objective left was to convert the AI and the shuttle timer was ticking around 2ish minutes, so naturally I had to get to the AI satellite. Equipped with a guardian for turrets and proselytizer for any depowered/bolted doors, I head off into the AI satellite tunnel only to find the tunnel was deconstructed and/or destroyed by meteors. Naturally the only way on now is via suit or the teleporter. Since the teleporter was half a station away, with a bunch of variables like 'Is the AI sat an atmospheric hellhole after meteors?' and 'Hacking into the teleporter in the public halls is dangerous if security lurks', I opted to go for the engi suits first which is in the same room.

All the engineering hardsuits were taken, but there's a fellow hardsuited Clockcultist engineer dicking about the engine in our time of need, perfect! So I'm jumping, screaming, begging, and pleading with the engineer for his hardsuit, telling him I got the stuff needed for venturing into the AI satellite to finish the mission as I watch the time ticking down and I'm staring at the guy taking his jolly sweet time basically telling me lolno. The other engineer refused to hand over his hardsuit and he was about to run and fuck off and luckily slipped on freon. I ordered my Guardian to kill him to get the hardsuit.

Unfortunately, I was never able (or would be able) to accomplish my goal since there was a full on metagaming metafriending Hulk powergame group, but that's another story.


Of course, Policy Discussion is not about a round's incident, but it's good to have an example in context. This is the General Policy question raised:

Is it OK to teamkill uncooperative teammates if your team's goal is at stake, especially if there's critical time as a factor?
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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby kevinz000 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:20 pm #304870

At that point I'd recommend ahelping.

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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby BeeSting12 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:21 pm #304872

I've ahelped uncooperative teammates and they tend to get dealt with. If it's bad enough I stun/cuff them as a temp solution or kill 'em as a last resort.
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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby oranges » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:50 pm #304886

Only if you're okay if they dunk you and throw you into the engine

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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby CPTANT » Thu Jun 08, 2017 12:15 am #304890

Yes,team antags are allowed to do whatever they want as long as it furthers their team objective.

Of course you have to be pretty sure that cucking someone is actually helping.....
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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby Dr_bee » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:01 am #305004

kevinz000 wrote:At that point I'd recommend ahelping.


That is assuming there is time for that

In that particular incident I was the marauder, and yeah, the only reason I agreed to kill the other cultist was the time factor. we had 2 minutes until the shuttle got there, and then another 2 to try and complete our objective.

I the time factor is what made this ok in my book. if there was no time factor then killing him would have been a real dick move.

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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby lumipharon » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:09 am #305010

I've killed team mates before and retroactively given the blessing by admins.

Of course this is for situations where they're explicitly being fucking retarded and hindering the team in a severe way, and so they're covered by rule 4 or whichever it is that says team antags cant dick over their team mates - even if they're not intending to do it, if they're just that dumb or stupid, it still applies.

What you've described in the OP seems to fit into this pretty well, although I guess I would just beat him up rather then kill him if possible, but eh.

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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby Reece » Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:09 pm #305451

I've only ever killed a teammate if they have really needed to die.

IIRC the only time was on Nuke Ops where the guy kept trying to beat the TL to death because they didn't want to go loud (the team and Team leader didn't, he did.) first few times just tableslammed him, then after he brought a gun and spouted threats i dumped a clip of stetchkin into his skill and tossed him into the bathroom.

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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby John_Oxford » Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:28 pm #305459

if they are being a uncooperative shit head and denying their entire team greentext for no real reason then yes you are very much allowed to shoot them.

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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby PKPenguin321 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:18 am #305637

If somebody's actively working against your team, such as deliberately releasing plasma when it wouldn't be beneficial at all, feel free to shoot them. It's kind of like crew killing crew when one person's being exceptionally shit.

I've killed lesser revs as revhead before when they started being retarded, for example cloning the captain "TO KILL THEM TWICE LOL" or beating a separate revhead "BECAUSE HE STOLE MY SUNGLASSES AND HE FLASHED ME AND DIDNT GIVE THE GLASSES BACK"
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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby Nilons » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:19 am #305722

Reece wrote:I've only ever killed a teammate if they have really needed to die.

IIRC the only time was on Nuke Ops where the guy kept trying to beat the TL to death because they didn't want to go loud (the team and Team leader didn't, he did.) first few times just tableslammed him, then after he brought a gun and spouted threats i dumped a clip of stetchkin into his skill and tossed him into the bathroom.


I was in a round like this where two ops were fighting over going loud and when one died he ended up right next to me blowing my arm off for the whole round. If you are being such a cunt as an op you need to be killed you should turn it off in your prefs
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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby CPTANT » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:05 pm #305747

Nilons wrote:
Reece wrote:I've only ever killed a teammate if they have really needed to die.

IIRC the only time was on Nuke Ops where the guy kept trying to beat the TL to death because they didn't want to go loud (the team and Team leader didn't, he did.) first few times just tableslammed him, then after he brought a gun and spouted threats i dumped a clip of stetchkin into his skill and tossed him into the bathroom.


I was in a round like this where two ops were fighting over going loud and when one died he ended up right next to me blowing my arm off for the whole round. If you are being such a cunt as an op you need to be killed you should turn it off in your prefs


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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby bandit » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:39 pm #305832

the only problem with killing ops is explosive implant
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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby Grazyn » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:58 pm #305839

Killing teammates because they're not following the most efficient line of action isn't emergent gameplay, it's play2win bullshit.

I miss Dante Smith who would just leave everyone behind and solo the disk+nuke in 2 minutes.

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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby TehSteveo » Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:58 pm #305955

Grazyn wrote:Killing teammates because they're not following the most efficient line of action isn't emergent gameplay, it's play2win bullshit.

I miss Dante Smith who would just leave everyone behind and solo the disk+nuke in 2 minutes.
Sitting behind on the Syndicate shuttle isn't much fun either while one guy solo missions to get the nuke disc; where maybe you can shoot people while the nuke is on countdown but there's not much point to do so. It's also Play2Win but a different brand of it.
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Re: Teamkilling Uncooperative Teammates For Critical Items/T

Postby Nilons » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:02 pm #305956

TehSteveo wrote:
Grazyn wrote:Killing teammates because they're not following the most efficient line of action isn't emergent gameplay, it's play2win bullshit.

I miss Dante Smith who would just leave everyone behind and solo the disk+nuke in 2 minutes.
Sitting behind on the Syndicate shuttle isn't much fun either while one guy solo missions to get the nuke disc; where maybe you can shoot people while the nuke is on countdown but there's not much point to do so. It's also Play2Win but a different brand of it.


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