Crew behaviour during conversion modes

[CPTANT]

So one thing I noticed is that during conversion modes some people will basically just run towards you in the hopes of getting converted.

It seems to be a bit of a fundamental flaw in conversion modes that being an antag is a lot more fun and rewarding than staying part of the unconverted crew.

Why would I want to be part of the side that has to adhere to server rules when I can just join the side that doesn't?

So what are your thoughts on people that do this and the more general supposed role of the crew during conversion modes?

[Qbopper]

selfantagging is against the rules with basically everything else, so I don't see how this isn't also breaking the rules

[CPTANT]

selfantagging is against the rules with basically everything else, so I don't see how this isn't also breaking the rules

It is quite rampant and almost completely unenforceable

"ohw its rev, I will just go slowly walk around the main corridors until I am converted"

"Ohw whoops, I "incidently" stepped onto a conversion rune, silly me"

"who knew hugging people that are spraying graffiti would get you converted?"

[D&B]

If someone runs up to you during a cult round and asks to be converted you're in the clear to kill and cremate them.

I've gotten the ok on that before from other admins.

[CPTANT]

If someone runs up to you during a cult round and asks to be converted you're in the clear to kill and cremate them.

I've gotten the ok on that before from other admins.

Ohw yeah I've done that. But those are only the most blatant cases.

Usually it is a lot more passive, things like hanging out in obvious antag area's doing nothing, not running away after someone fails to flash them, not shouting for help when they obviously have the chance etc, etc.

[onleavedontatme]

Loyalist crew:

Gets indefinitely detained by security without being allowed to fight back

Gets murdered by antags

Watches their workplace gets trashed/round is too chaotic to do anything civillian


Antag:

Gets to actually play and have fun



There is really no place for loyal crew gamepaly wise except as fodder to slow down security when they start mass searching and a place to draw recruits from so of course nobody wants to play it and are a little lax in their efforts to avoid actually participating in the mode.

[D&B]

If someone runs up to you during a cult round and asks to be converted you're in the clear to kill and cremate them.

I've gotten the ok on that before from other admins.

Ohw yeah I've done that. But those are only the most blatant cases.

Usually it is a lot more passive, things like hanging out in obvious antag area's doing nothing, not running away after someone fails to flash them, not shouting for help when they obviously have the chance etc, etc.

Ahelp it if you notice.

I remember this shit being more prevalent with clock cult introduction.

[NikNakFlak]

Everything kor posts is cynical as fuck and only paints every situation as the least fun and most shit for the crew at all times

[calzilla1]

This is why we must remove all conversion gamemodes

[onleavedontatme]

I do not think its cynical to understand players are seeking to have fun and participate rather than writing them all off as malicious rulebreakers.

I am pretty cynical about conversion modes in general though

[captain sawrge]

Everything kor posts is cynical as fuck and only paints every situation as the least fun and most shit for the crew at all times

Do you disagree with him or

What are loyal crew supposed to do in these modes? If you ignore them you're just setting yourself up to get dragged into one side or another (or killed by them) or otherwise lose out on whatever progress you made on your job prematurely due to the antags ending the round or things becoming too focused on the cult for anything else to properly function.

[BeeSting12]

I feel like if we're gonna enforce passively attempting to get converted we should also enforce doing absolutely nothing as a revolutionary. Rev rounds have been kinda sucky and boring lately because noone wants to do anything as a rev and sec is still going turbohitler. I've had multiple rev rounds lately where I'm the only one doing anything as a rev or I'm security, walk into a group of revs, tase one and run with him, and they don't even try stopping me.

But yeah both of those should be enforced but they really can't be, what're you gonna do, bwoink them and say "hey stop walking around the hall to get converted or ill ban you"

editted to say this: I do like conversion based modes providing variety- doing your job every round can get boring, this adds variety to the game and should be kept.

[captain sawrge]

I feel like if we're gonna enforce passively attempting to get converted we should also enforce doing absolutely nothing as a revolutionary. Rev rounds have been kinda sucky and boring lately because noone wants to do anything as a rev and sec is still going turbohitler. I've had multiple rev rounds lately where I'm the only one doing anything as a rev or I'm security, walk into a group of revs, tase one and run with him, and they don't even try stopping me.

But yeah both of those should be enforced but they really can't be, what're you gonna do, bwoink them and say "hey stop walking around the hall to get converted or ill ban you"

It's really difficult to enforce this kind of behavior, yeah. It's hard enough to catch that realistically monitoring and enforcing it wouldn't be realistic

[kevinz000]

Everything kor posts is cynical as fuck and only paints every situation as the least fun and most shit for the crew at all times

it is cynical as fuck and true.
I personally don't care about which side I'm on as it's still fun but my mindset conflicts with the majority.
The majority don't like security or being security/loyalist.

[Qbopper]

Everything kor posts is cynical as fuck and only paints every situation as the least fun and most shit for the crew at all times

you aren't wrong, but neither is he

selfantagging is against the rules with basically everything else, so I don't see how this isn't also breaking the rules

It is quite rampant and almost completely unenforceable

"ohw its rev, I will just go slowly walk around the main corridors until I am converted"

"Ohw whoops, I "incidently" stepped onto a conversion rune, silly me"

"who knew hugging people that are spraying graffiti would get you converted?"

yeah, this can be a problem - if you think you see it happening please ahelp it, not much can be done about it on the forums

[Cobby]

The only solution to this is to make conversion suck for the converted, which really isn't our dilemma admin-wise.

[CPTANT]

The only solution to this is to make conversion suck for the converted, which really isn't our dilemma admin-wise.

Or make it not suck to remain a loyalist?

actually some flavor text indicating that you have "lost" when you are converted would probably already influence people's behaviour (of course the hardcore shits don't care).

[Cobby]

Replace the round end antag list with the round end loyalist list along with wording the end so instead of a conversion-antag win it's a loyalist lost.

Otherwise I'm not sure how to achieve that without making it obvious it's a conversion mode.

[BeeSting12]

Everything kor posts is cynical as fuck and only paints every situation as the least fun and most shit for the crew at all times

it is cynical as fuck and true.
I personally don't care about which side I'm on as it's still fun but my mindset conflicts with the majority.
The majority don't like security or being security/loyalist.

Yeah, I pretty much have this mindset- I don't care what side I'm on, but I attempt to stay on it. I've robusted revheads that fucked up converting me as an unimplanted crewmember. On conversion based rounds, I join up with security because I enjoy antagging and security gameplay equally.

[D&B]

I team up with sec because I like the gas masks they have.

[Lazengann]

You can disarm a revhead of his flash and use it to throw him into space
The consequence for failure is getting to have fun throwing spears at people

Don't hate the player, hate the game

[kevinz000]

Right the problem is being loyal sucks sometimes because sometimes security will be dipshits who abuse them
On the other hand no revhead is going to abuse a rev who is helping.

[PKPenguin321]

Going to conversion antags like cult bases and verbally asking for antag or whatever is something I have shouted at people for doing in the past. Ahelp it when you see it.

[ThanatosRa]

Isn't the rule to at least make an effort?

[bandit]

The problem with ahelping it is unless it's dead fucking blatant (which a lot of players still fail to hide) then it's very hard to prove.

[TheColdTurtle]

Conversion modes are anti rp prove me wrong

[Lazengann]

Can't prove the truth wrong

[Qbopper]

Conversion modes are anti rp prove me wrong

well of course they are

even if you have knowledge of the mechanics IC you're still going to get shit on for daring to talk to people instead of being the first one to knock the other over

[Iatots]

Conversion modes are anti rp prove me wrong

On a low RP server, what is the purpose of a revolution if every greyshit can procure themselves any luxury the station provides?
On said go-getter station, what is the purpose of organized crime if no monetary system exists and no substance or recreational activity is outlawed?
In this commie utopia where social mobility has caused everyone to gain perfect knowledge of everything, forever, how naive must a god be to believe their dark words have any value?

Power is all that matters now. You kept joking how this game was all about making other player avatars horizontal so much, you started believing it. You meme'd yourselves.

[D&B]

No Gods or Kings, only man.