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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Lo6a4evskiy » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:58 pm #28561

I don't understand what's wrong with having lizards be treated like hulks.

Sure, a warning on the setup screen might be in order.



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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Spacemanspark » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:09 pm #28563

A robot may not injure crew or, through inaction, allow crew to come to harm.
A robot must obey the orders given to it by the crew, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

This is called Crewsimov, and it's on most RP servers with multiple species. Perhaps it can help out here?
Crew is defined by anyone on the crew manifest.
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However, this will allow the AI to kill anyone or anything that isn't crew. This happens on RP servers too.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Scott » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:13 pm #28565

Nevermind.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby cedarbridge » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:16 pm #28566

Scott wrote:Infiltrated antags are part of the crew. You can't use that lawset unless you're willing to add metagame laws.

This sentence doesn't make sense. You can't use this lawset for what?

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Spacemanspark » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:19 pm #28567

Scott wrote:Infiltrated antags are part of the crew. You can't use that lawset unless you're willing to add metagame laws.

The only antags the AI can kill are Nuke Ops, Wizards, and Constructs.
They CANNOT kill Traitors, Changelings, Revs, and cultists.
If they're on the crew manifest, they cannot be killed by the AI.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Scott » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:24 pm #28569

Yup it works.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Arete » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:39 am #28909

Spacemanspark wrote:
Scott wrote:Infiltrated antags are part of the crew. You can't use that lawset unless you're willing to add metagame laws.

The only antags the AI can kill are Nuke Ops, Wizards, and Constructs.
They CANNOT kill Traitors, Changelings, Revs, and cultists.
If they're on the crew manifest, they cannot be killed by the AI.


It could be established that the identity changelings start with are humans they've killed and replaced, in which case the changeling itself isn't on the crew manifest, if we want to keep changelings valid to the AI. Though, some changes unrelated to lizards from this change could be desirable. The possibility of kicking someone off the crew in order to dehuman them without modifying the AI is intriguing.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Hibbles » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:00 pm #28935

Ooh, that's not a bad idea. And as aside, having lings be not insta-valid would mean borgs might try to detain them in harm cages or something. I've always liked the idea of trying to like, permabrig a ling and weld the vents or whatever, but it's always too dangerous for a human officer to even drag them to the brig unless they're compliant. A borg wouldn't have such issues.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Aurx » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:40 pm #28938

Hibbles wrote:Ooh, that's not a bad idea. And as aside, having lings be not insta-valid would mean borgs might try to detain them in harm cages or something. I've always liked the idea of trying to like, permabrig a ling and weld the vents or whatever, but it's always too dangerous for a human officer to even drag them to the brig unless they're compliant. A borg wouldn't have such issues.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Scott » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:33 pm #28952

I like how robust the ling EMP is, cyborgs can be a real pain in the ass and at least one antagonist needs to be able to counter them.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Pandarsenic » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:19 pm #28988

When I was arguing for ling EMP, I pointed out that every antag except rev, in fact, has easy EMP.

EMP Kit, Dissonant Shriek, EMP Talisman, Nuke Op Ion Rifle, EMP spell...
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Scott » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:26 pm #28997

Pandarsenic wrote:When I was arguing for ling EMP, I pointed out that every antag except rev, in fact, has easy EMP.

EMP Kit, Dissonant Shriek, EMP Talisman, Nuke Op Ion Rifle, EMP spell...



EMP kit is garbage, and so is EMP talisman. Ion Rifle is good, but requires you to not be a fluke op. Wizard is wizard.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby cedarbridge » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:42 pm #28999

Scott wrote:
Pandarsenic wrote:When I was arguing for ling EMP, I pointed out that every antag except rev, in fact, has easy EMP.

EMP Kit, Dissonant Shriek, EMP Talisman, Nuke Op Ion Rifle, EMP spell...



EMP kit is garbage

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Antimattercarp » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:20 pm #29785

Institutionalized specisism would add a lot more flavor in my opinion. Lizards are drastically different from humans and it would be easier to justify than racism is.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby oranges » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:14 am #31993

The racism seems to have died down now anyway.

Good call earlier in the thread to sit tight for a while.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby cedarbridge » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:45 am #32000

oranges wrote:The racism seems to have died down now anyway.

Good call earlier in the thread to sit tight for a while.

At least in my case, its simmered to a "I don't trust "those types"" sort of thing.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby paprika » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:02 am #32024

Good, racism towards lizards makes it more fun.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Arete » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:41 pm #32112

The other day I saw humans wanting to be let into a dangerous room, and the AI refused them on Law 1 grounds, but a lizardman crewmember spoke up and said "I'm not human, you can let me in," so the AI complied. It's interesting to see how having crewmembers without Law 1 protection can actually lead to some situations that are more interesting for everyone.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Saegrimr » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:45 pm #32113

Arete wrote:The other day I saw humans wanting to be let into a dangerous room, and the AI refused them on Law 1 grounds, but a lizardman crewmember spoke up and said "I'm not human, you can let me in," so the AI complied. It's interesting to see how having crewmembers without Law 1 protection can actually lead to some situations that are more interesting for everyone.


That was the captain's room that the clown dropped a clownbomb in, wasn't it? I watched that whole hilarious mess play out.
Turns out the lizard got everybody killed in the end anyway by letting them all loose.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Arete » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:57 pm #32114

Saegrimr wrote:That was the captain's room that the clown dropped a clownbomb in, wasn't it? I watched that whole hilarious mess play out.
Turns out the lizard got everybody killed in the end anyway by letting them all loose.


Yeah, exactly. It gave the AI that necessary bit of leeway to make a risky decision rather than keeping the obvious threat completely and boringly contained.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Apsis » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:26 pm #32143

Pepper-spraying space racists as sec is fun times for all.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby cedarbridge » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:53 pm #32154

Apsis wrote:Pepper-spraying space racists as sec is fun times for all.

Almost as fun as pepper spraying lizards.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Spacemanspark » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:02 pm #44345

Intigracy wrote:Catbeasts when?

No please.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby MMMiracles » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:18 pm #44352

Add catbeasts just so I can finally get some use out of all these cat puns I have as clown.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby miggles » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:41 pm #44362

add catbeasts with the caveat that anyone who plays them is always valid at all times
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Cipher3 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:01 pm #44372

I'd better get to be a fairy dragon.
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Nathanael Greene has made a woman of Bryce Pax!

Valerie Sinnet says, "Nathaniel Greene charged the brig with a fucking HONK."

[Common] Assists-the-Crew hisses, "Walker Quinn s-s-s-ss-stole the HoP's-s-s-ss-s door"

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What you hear walking past people:
Erin Wake whispers, "You should ready up on Badger and boink with me..."

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DEAD: Ichigo Momomiya says, "Coravin's just an ass."

Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Steelpoint » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:02 pm #44374

Why not come up with a unique alien race that is not a oversized cat.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby miggles » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:05 pm #44376

because baystation12
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Cipher3 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:12 am #44403

Steelpoint wrote:Why not come up with a unique alien race that is not a oversized cat.

How about an oversized bird, in honor of Tokiko?
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Nathanael Greene begins to reshape Bryce Pax's genitals to look more feminine.
Nathanael Greene has made a woman of Bryce Pax!

Valerie Sinnet says, "Nathaniel Greene charged the brig with a fucking HONK."

[Common] Assists-the-Crew hisses, "Walker Quinn s-s-s-ss-stole the HoP's-s-s-ss-s door"

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This line gets me every time:
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What you hear walking past people:
Erin Wake whispers, "You should ready up on Badger and boink with me..."

"I think you guys are just tired of drinking hitler and now you want diet hitler.
I've got all that great hitler flavor but only half the hitler calories." - Anon3

You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that PR matters. ~MisterPerson

DEAD: Ichigo Momomiya says, "Coravin's just an ass."

Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Spacemanspark » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:40 am #44408

Cipher3 wrote:
Steelpoint wrote:Why not come up with a unique alien race that is not a oversized cat.

How about an oversized bird, in honor of Tokiko?

Vox is already something Baystation came up with.
http://nanotrasen.se/wiki/index.php/Vox
Otherwise, yes.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby cedarbridge » Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:16 am #44497

I TOLD YOU ABOUT THOSE SLOPES BRO. I TOLD YOU.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Cipher3 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:07 am #44825

cedarbridge wrote:I TOLD YOU ABOUT THOSE SLOPES BRO. I TOLD YOU.

Pssh. We're only adding a couple more furry races...
Spoiler:
Nathanael Greene begins to reshape Bryce Pax's genitals to look more feminine.
Nathanael Greene has made a woman of Bryce Pax!

Valerie Sinnet says, "Nathaniel Greene charged the brig with a fucking HONK."

[Common] Assists-the-Crew hisses, "Walker Quinn s-s-s-ss-stole the HoP's-s-s-ss-s door"

OOC: HotelBravoLima: I literally can't be removed from power.

This line gets me every time:
I demand this ban be lifted right now. ~Bibliodewangus

What you hear walking past people:
Erin Wake whispers, "You should ready up on Badger and boink with me..."

"I think you guys are just tired of drinking hitler and now you want diet hitler.
I've got all that great hitler flavor but only half the hitler calories." - Anon3

You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that PR matters. ~MisterPerson

DEAD: Ichigo Momomiya says, "Coravin's just an ass."

Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby AnonymousNow » Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:04 pm #116788

Thread necro because relevant.

[Common] Nikolas Garneys says, "FUCK YOU LIGGER SHIT"
[Common] Nikolas Garneys says, "FUCK YOU"
[Common] Nikolas Garneys says, "AND FUCK YOUR HISSING"
[Common] Nikolas Garneys says, "NOBODY LIKES YOU ANYWAY"
[Common] Terry Newday says, "KILL ALL LIGGERS"
[Common] Rylie Pfeifer says, "Zip your howling screamer, Nikolas."
[Common] Nikolas Garneys says, "KILL ALL LIGGERS"
[Common] Nikolas Garneys exclaims, "GAS TH ELIGGERS GAS THE SCUM!"
[Common] Terry Newday yells, "KILL THE LIGGERS!!"
[Common] Rylie Pfeifer says, "Or you're getting brigged for inciting a riot."
[Common] Nikolas Garneys exclaims, "GAS ALL LIGGER SHILL FILTH!"
[Common] Rocco Brandenburg says, "Just shut up Nikolas."
[Common] Salts-The-Wound hisses, "Itsss gonna be one of thessse daysss"
[Common] Nikolas Garneys says, "FUCK OFF NERDASS"
[Common] Nikolas Garneys yells, "I AM JUSTICE!!"
[Common] Nikolas Garneys yells, "I AM JUSTICE!!"
[Common] Terry Newday yells, "I AM NUCLEAR!!"
[Common] Nikolas Garneys yells, "GAS ALL LIGGERS, SHALL DEATH BE UPON THEM ALL!!"


Look, I get that lizardmen are considered the lesser race in the setting, and that casual racism is a given, but I feel that this kind of intellectual exchange is a little too much, a little too often.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby ThanatosRa » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:25 pm #116818

I'm pretty sure you can ahelp if it goes that far. At very least that Pfeifer person is right. Inciting a riot like that is briggable.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby iamgoofball » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:02 am #116822

AnonymousNow wrote:Look, I get that lizardmen are considered the lesser race in the setting, and that casual racism is a given, but I feel that this kind of intellectual exchange is a little too much, a little too often.


how about you just let security deal with it

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby iamgoofball » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:03 am #116823

Steelpoint wrote:Do you honestly think a player is going to name themselves "Shits-On-Face"?


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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby AnonymousNow » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:23 am #116831

iamgoofball wrote:
AnonymousNow wrote:Look, I get that lizardmen are considered the lesser race in the setting, and that casual racism is a given, but I feel that this kind of intellectual exchange is a little too much, a little too often.


how about you just let security deal with it


But they don't.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Zilenan91 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:44 am #116837

AnonymousNow wrote:
iamgoofball wrote:
AnonymousNow wrote:Look, I get that lizardmen are considered the lesser race in the setting, and that casual racism is a given, but I feel that this kind of intellectual exchange is a little too much, a little too often.


how about you just let security deal with it


But they don't.



Oh yeah, I've had humans just flat out attack me FNR lately as a lizard. I was the bartender, and the only reason I managed to dunk them both (then fall into crit from bloodloss atop their dead bodies) was because they were using literally the most unrobust weapons on the entire station, rolling pins. If they had used knives or god forbid cleavers, I'd have been dead as fuck, and had all my shit looted and also probably gibbed. This is a problem.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Kel » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:50 am #116839

if we didnt have lizards this wouldnt be a problem :)
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby AnonymousNow » Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:58 am #116846

Don't Be A Dick isn't being enforced, in my opinion. Again, part of the flavour is the race power dynamic, but when the bartender's being jumped because he has scales, it's a problem.
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby iamgoofball » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:20 am #116849

AnonymousNow wrote:Don't Be A Dick isn't being enforced, in my opinion. Again, part of the flavour is the race power dynamic, but when the bartender's being jumped because he has scales, it's a problem.

Honestly, they probably just wanted his shotgun and used "gas the lizards race war now" as an excuse.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Scones » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:42 am #116852

AnonymousNow wrote:Don't Be A Dick isn't being enforced, in my opinion. Again, part of the flavour is the race power dynamic, but when the bartender's being jumped because he has scales, it's a problem.


Is it?
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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby TheNightingale » Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:58 am #116861

Scones wrote:
AnonymousNow wrote:Don't Be A Dick isn't being enforced, in my opinion. Again, part of the flavour is the race power dynamic, but when the bartender's being jumped because he has scales, it's a problem.


Is it?


I'm surprised this one even needed to be asked. Yes, Being A Dick is a problem.
Are you going out of your way as a non-antag, to negatively impact someone else's round without suitable provocation*?
Yes? Then you're Being A Dick, which is bad.

*If they went on a murdering spree, that's suitable provocation. If they tried to kill you, that's suitable provocation. If you're Sec and they're a no-good criminal, that's suitable provocation. If they're a lizardperson, that's not, because Holocaust references and racial slurs went out of style in 1945/1786 respectively.

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Re: Mutantrace Discussion

Postby Saegrimr » Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:00 am #116862

It'll be enforced when you ahelp it.
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