Admins and the consistency of their rulings
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Admins and the consistency of their rulings
A big question, and what seems to be a problem for many players. Ruling consistency among admins.
Should it be there? Should it not? Discuss.
Should it be there? Should it not? Discuss.
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
I can only see this thread going good places and not being used to shitstir.
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
Realistically we can't expect all of our admins to give the exact same rulings for each situation because it's volunteer and each one wants our server to go in a different direction
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should? probably yeah but that's impossible to achieve really
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but maybe i'm too cautious, lets see how this goescedarbridge wrote:I can only see this thread going good places and not being used to shitstir.
should? probably yeah but that's impossible to achieve really
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
We have over 40 different admins. Our rules are based on opinion much of the time- Don't be a dick can mean different things for different people, such as where the line is, and where we should start banning for rule one violations. You aren't going to get consistent rulings from 40 different people unless you write up rules for every tiny situation, which is impossible and would make the game stale if it was. We have headmins to overrule unfair admin rulings, and admin complaints/PMing the headmins to make a ban request when you think the admin made a ruling that didn't do enough action.
So yeah in a perfect world we'd have an automod that gives out 100% perfect rulings for everything but that's not happening.
So yeah in a perfect world we'd have an automod that gives out 100% perfect rulings for everything but that's not happening.
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
There is consistency. There isn't complete consistency. Members of the admin team come from all sorts of player backgrounds and are volunteers who have to apply their own different experiences and sense of what is right and wrong to situations that are never the same.
We have checks and balances e.g. the ban appeals forum where players can civilly weigh in on bans where a fellow player is penalized, policy discussion forums where players occasionally partake in useful discussions on things, and finally a set of three headmins who ensure actions regardless of consistency are done with the servers best interests in mind.
Asking for complete consistency is stupid unless you want to donate six figures in USD to the server to hire and train professional admins.
We have checks and balances e.g. the ban appeals forum where players can civilly weigh in on bans where a fellow player is penalized, policy discussion forums where players occasionally partake in useful discussions on things, and finally a set of three headmins who ensure actions regardless of consistency are done with the servers best interests in mind.
Asking for complete consistency is stupid unless you want to donate six figures in USD to the server to hire and train professional admins.
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
My professional rate is $25 per hour. If you expect absolute consistency you'll have to establish a system where admins can on-the-fly compare ahelp issues to compendiums of prior rulings on similar subjects and come to a resolution on the spot based on that precedent. That's not going to happen without dedicating resources to something that nobody really wants.imblyings wrote:There is consistency. There isn't complete consistency. Members of the admin team come from all sorts of player backgrounds and are volunteers who have to apply their own different experiences and sense of what is right and wrong to situations that are never the same.
We have checks and balances e.g. the ban appeals forum where players can civilly weigh in on bans where a fellow player is penalized, policy discussion forums where players occasionally partake in useful discussions on things, and finally a set of three headmins who ensure actions regardless of consistency are done with the servers best interests in mind.
Asking for complete consistency is stupid unless you want to donate six figures in USD to the server to hire and train professional admins.
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
Admins have a consistency somewhere between jello and slime mould. With heat their viscosity falls and they can flow easier, although this may irreversibly damage proteins and result in a long term loss of structure.
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
Well you have a set amount there, it's USD$25 per hour rounded up to the nearest hour, not including tax, superannuation contributions, insurance or other expenses. Senior admins will be charging higher rates, starting at USD$30 for admin trainers with extra rates if they are training candidates. Game masters and head admins will require a salary with bonuses for appeals arbitrated or policy discussions responded to.
We will also open ban requests again, with a normal 1-day ban starting from an introductory special price of USD$89.99.
We will also open ban requests again, with a normal 1-day ban starting from an introductory special price of USD$89.99.
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
right here in the pot of water, my freg friend
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
Make me admin trainer or you're firedimblyings wrote:Well you have a set amount there, it's USD$25 per hour rounded up to the nearest hour, not including tax, superannuation contributions, insurance or other expenses. Senior admins will be charging higher rates, starting at USD$30 for admin trainers with extra rates if they are training candidates. Game masters and head admins will require a salary with bonuses for appeals arbitrated or policy discussions responded to.
We will also open ban requests again, with a normal 1-day ban starting from an introductory special price of USD$89.99.
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
well, owegno will be going on their long service leave, which will open up a spot
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
Consistent enough.
Appeal if not consistent with previous rulings.
Dullahans when.
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Appeal if not consistent with previous rulings.
Dullahans when.
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Re: Admins and the consistency of their rulings
Arianya wrote:Consistent enough.
Appeal if not consistent with previous rulings.
Dullahans when.
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