Disallow admins to make secborgs & remove them from config.

[FrozenGuy5]

Bottom post of the previous page:

Title.

They were removed. They still should be removed. They are still overpowered. Also, who even asked for them?

btw arm enabled them

yes, this is an i ded.

[Dr_bee]

sec borgs as a means for the AI to prevent harm instead of robotic security officers would be neat

good post got ignored

make secborgs less concerned with actual security matters and more making sure nobody gets hurt it makes sense thematically

Wasn't this the idea behind peacekeepers, except that turned into a big meme from day 1?

Merging the secborg kit with the PK kit would probably change the behavior of the players. though it may take some tweaking.

When you take a big red scary borg labeled "security" it makes you think one thing, but when you take a cute egg that hands out cookies and hugs along with stun batons and cablecuffs with no "security" label it makes you think another.

This, of course, would require coders actually give a fuck about silicons and silicon gameplay.

[cedarbridge]

My personal opinion is that we need to stop catering to fucking pussies and have them git gud instead of removing things that they don't like.

Maybe silicon players need to git gud and validhunt with AI, peacekeeper, default and engiborg. :^]

Imagine saying this with a straight face and then realize you're saying it about something with no means of a non-harmful stun while constrained by a lawset that requires no-harm used. Then realize the closest they'll get to a stun either outs them as subverted or is defeated by putting on a pair of sunglasses.

Might as well remove the chef's arms and tell him to get good too.

[BeeSting12]

How security borg should be played: Only arrest if someone's harming people, you're ordered to by a human, or there's a law three threat.

How it's really played: Hi HoS, just caught this guy with an emag breaking into the captains office. You can have him I'll be in the other room .

[captain sawrge]

Easiest way to solve a mass player issue is through code unless you guys wanna donate enough to pay admins to be on 24/7

[Deitus]

Easiest way to solve a mass player issue is through code unless you guys wanna donate enough to pay admins to be on 24/7

>Code should be changed to stop rule breaking when that's the admins job
>Literally "we do it for free" argument

Vev led

This is why ban requests needs to be reopened

[Qbopper]

Easiest way to solve a mass player issue is through code unless you guys wanna donate enough to pay admins to be on 24/7

>Code should be changed to stop rule breaking when that's the admins job
>Literally "we do it for free" argument

Vev led

This is why ban requests needs to be reopened

this post is highly intelligent

it's not at all feasible to have admins on 24/7 in order to stop the rule breaking so if something in the game is causing problems consistently why would it be kept as is

hell, telesci got nuked and it didn't cause problems as consistently (iirc)

[Qbopper]

sec borgs as a means for the AI to prevent harm instead of robotic security officers would be neat

good post got ignored

make secborgs less concerned with actual security matters and more making sure nobody gets hurt it makes sense thematically

Wasn't this the idea behind peacekeepers, except that turned into a big meme from day 1?

i thought peacekeepers were just intentional bait to piss off people who wanted secborgs

some kind of inbetween of secborgs and peacekeepers plus a giant fucking bold text "YOUR JOB IS TO PREVENT HARM NOT TO ARREST PEOPLE" would be a good place to start, imo

[captain sawrge]

DOn't reply to deitus qbopper

[cedarbridge]

hell, telesci got nuked and it didn't cause problems as consistently (iirc)

Agree, readd telesci

[Armhulen]

sec borgs as a means for the AI to prevent harm instead of robotic security officers would be neat

good post got ignored

make secborgs less concerned with actual security matters and more making sure nobody gets hurt it makes sense thematically

Wasn't this the idea behind peacekeepers, except that turned into a big meme from day 1?

hijacked by people who wanted to make it super shit just to spite the secborg players

[Qbopper]

hell, telesci got nuked and it didn't cause problems as consistently (iirc)

Agree, readd telesci

just want it to be clear that i don't wanna comment on the removal of telesci being good or bad i was just bringing it up as an example

[Bawhoppennn]

Players can't be trusted to follow their laws as secborgs. Admins can't be trusted to enforce the rules for them well enough (or to not re-enable them from the config)

Since nobody can be trusted with them, that means we have to remove them from the codebase to solve the issue.

[cedarbridge]

Players can't be trusted to follow 90% of the rules. Admins can't be trusted to enforce the rules for them well enough (or to not re-enable them from the config)

Since nobody can be trusted with them, that means we have to remove players from the codebase to solve the issue.

[Saegrimr]

I tried that already Cedar

[BeeSting12]

Players can't be trusted to follow their laws as secborgs. Admins can't be trusted to enforce the rules for them well enough (or to not re-enable them from the config)

Since nobody can be trusted with them, that means we have to remove them from the codebase to solve the issue.

Or we can remove players, problem solved

[Arianya]

honestly just move secborgs to a whitelist method

[Dax Dupont]

Players can't be trusted to follow their laws as secborgs. Admins can't be trusted to enforce the rules for them well enough (or to not re-enable them from the config)

Since nobody can be trusted with them, that means we have to remove them from the codebase to solve the issue.

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A better solution is to use that config locking thing that prevents admins from fucking with locked settings.

[BeeSting12]

A headmin changed the setting so this is irrelevant. I don't even know if admins can change the setting.

[Armhulen]

A headmin changed the setting so this is irrelevant. I don't even know if admins can change the setting.

they can't, ignore his posts.

[BeeSting12]

i guess more on subject, i only hate sec borgs because players play them wrong and its been a while since ive had to counter them so i forgot how, give me a week or so and i wont have a problem with their balance, just the shitty way players play them.

[onleavedontatme]

First of all, You have no fucking power. It drains like crazy. Sometimes you can be full power and have no disabler shots left.

It costs 50 per shot. The average roundstart borg cell is 15000. I know its not exact because you lose charge over time but that's 300 shots worth, which is something like three times as much as the entire armoury.

[cedarbridge]

First of all, You have no fucking power. It drains like crazy. Sometimes you can be full power and have no disabler shots left.

It costs 50 per shot. The average roundstart borg cell is 15000. I know its not exact because you lose charge over time but that's 300 shots worth, which is something like three times as much as the entire armoury.

That's a value that can be adjusted extremely easily.

[Armhulen]

First of all, You have no fucking power. It drains like crazy. Sometimes you can be full power and have no disabler shots left.

It costs 50 per shot. The average roundstart borg cell is 15000. I know its not exact because you lose charge over time but that's 300 shots worth, which is something like three times as much as the entire armoury.

That's a value that can be adjusted extremely easily.

And it is, there's a pr up for it right now.

[Dr_bee]

First of all, You have no fucking power. It drains like crazy. Sometimes you can be full power and have no disabler shots left.

It costs 50 per shot. The average roundstart borg cell is 15000. I know its not exact because you lose charge over time but that's 300 shots worth, which is something like three times as much as the entire armoury.

That's a value that can be adjusted extremely easily.

And it is, there's a pr up for it right now.

The old secborg taser used to have its own seperate charge that slowly recharged by draining the battery of the borg, this made it so no matter what battery the borg had the taser could only dispense x amount of shots in a given period of time.

Consider doing this for the disabler if it isnt already the case, as it would make it easier to balance.

[onleavedontatme]

First of all, You have no fucking power. It drains like crazy. Sometimes you can be full power and have no disabler shots left.

It costs 50 per shot. The average roundstart borg cell is 15000. I know its not exact because you lose charge over time but that's 300 shots worth, which is something like three times as much as the entire armoury.

That's a value that can be adjusted extremely easily.

I'm aware, but the people claiming secborgs are weak are either incredibly bad at the game or being not quite truthful to try and win an internet argument (would someone really do that?)

[cedarbridge]

First of all, You have no fucking power. It drains like crazy. Sometimes you can be full power and have no disabler shots left.

It costs 50 per shot. The average roundstart borg cell is 15000. I know its not exact because you lose charge over time but that's 300 shots worth, which is something like three times as much as the entire armoury.

That's a value that can be adjusted extremely easily.

I'm aware, but the people claiming secborgs are weak are either incredibly bad at the game or being not quite truthful to try and win an internet argument (would someone really do that?)

I dunno. I lost track of the number of times I've died to an errant flashbang stun that never ended.

[Anonmare]

First of all, You have no fucking power. It drains like crazy. Sometimes you can be full power and have no disabler shots left.

It costs 50 per shot. The average roundstart borg cell is 15000. I know its not exact because you lose charge over time but that's 300 shots worth, which is something like three times as much as the entire armoury.

Increase the coefficient by 10 so the shot charge is 500 per shot. On rounstart basic cell, that's 15 shots at most. On high-cap, 30 shots. Better than Human-use disablers definitely but isn't the point of a cyborg module to be better than a Human at one specific thing?

[cedarbridge]

A borg's effectiveness is tied to how much time it has to stop and charge. This is a little different from an officer who can just get another/extra taser or baton and go to town when one is down. When it is down, he leaves it in a charger and can leave. The officer doesn't have to stop and plug himself into a wall for several minutes. Borg module use directly affects their uptime so secborgs should be balanced around that the same way engie borgs are.

[Nilons]

What if you made it so the ai has a new button that turns a peacekeeper into a secborgs or back. If there's no AI there's no secborgs. That's curb the robocop antics and force them into the purpose of harmstopper

[captain sawrge]

What if you made it so secborgs can never be picked through normal means

[Nilons]

What if you made it so secborgs can never be picked through normal means

What if we removed everything

[captain sawrge]

What if you made it so secborgs can never be picked through normal means

What if we removed everything

Then we'd have nothing left to remove

[Nilons]

What if you made it so secborgs can never be picked through normal means

What if we removed everything

Then we'd have nothing left to remove

no one can break the rules if they have nothing to valid each other with

[obscolene]

If you get killed as a secborg. You suck. Uninstall the game.

Fixed, now delete byond you weak trashbag.

[Incomptinence]

oops

[cedarbridge]

oops

[Incomptinence]

mistook it with telecoms ntsl thanks for delete blocking me content boy.

[cedarbridge]

mistook it with telecoms ntsl thanks for delete blocking me content boy.

Ye

[Incomptinence]

If you get killed as a secborg. You suck. Uninstall the game.

Fixed, now delete byond you weak trashbag.

Emp goes through walls.

If you have run out of walls behind which to emp the big scawwy perfect life forms at literally zero personal risk you have bigger problems, somebody blew up the station.

[obscolene]

If you get killed as a secborg. You suck. Uninstall the game.

Fixed, now delete byond you weak trashbag.

Emp goes through walls.

If you have run out of walls behind which to emp the big scawwy perfect life forms at literally zero personal risk you have bigger problems, somebody blew up the station.

people claiming secborgs are weak are incredibly bad at the game

[Incomptinence]

I haven't played secborgs since they were put back in so how bad I am at the game or not doesn't factor into how I think about them.

Been killed by them but hey some people don't flip out about that.

[oranges]

You had a shit personality then, and you have an even shittier personality now.

would you guys keep your sligcord breakup out of our policy thread?

[Incomptinence]

I would just like to comment on ridiculous coder misconduct caused by one week of re-enabled cyborgs.

We can't allow Anonmare's straight secborg nerf because even though we will still use the module as a staff of change result weakening it might make it stay around and that just cannot be tolerated by Kor.

A PR to remove the config optionbecause:

I just wish we could trust our administration enough to not reenable stuff like this, so we could leave it in for the downstreams who still use it.

This PR was heavily moderated even when it started as an non-viable Iamagoofball meme to completely remove secborgs from the code.
Optimumtact is currently treating it like the fragile Fabergé egg of his own ego and I don't know what ShizCalev was dealing with but it looks like the traditional case of github over moderation for their own vested interests.

This is why I trust the administration more at least they have thick skin on something other than the circle jerkied genitals. Can't stand one test, put test merges through all the time. Sec borg removal started as a ""test"" that went on much longer. They code configs for admins and cannot withstand them having the authority to use them AT ALL, it's absurd how they want to rule the server yet remain "separate".

[Pascal125]

Discussion related to the PR/Secborgs being removed and claimed as "Offtopic garbage" and "Not censorship" is what happened.
The "Seperation" is dumb and should be reverted.

[onleavedontatme]

How can you "revert" something that has always been the case

[Incomptinence]

It's typically a bad idea to let someone be above server policy change server policy at the same time.

[onleavedontatme]

It's typically a bad idea to let someone be above server policy change server policy at the same time.

Arm can correct me if I am wrong but judging by his git comments I dont think he wants secborgs or the responsibility of toggling secborgs once this week is over

[Armhulen]

it was for a headmin promise, i hope these things get removed. it was kind of fun seeing that even though flashes stun now nobody carries them. Unrobust!

[Incomptinence]

Well that makes him the one person who doesn't like secborgs willing to nerf them instead of losing his shit like they are eldritch horrors.

[onleavedontatme]

Are you seriously still mixing up anonmare and armhulen when they're both posting in that PR and also in this conversation with completely different avatars I mean I know they both start with an A but still

[Anonmare]

I told that Frog to change his name to keep this from happening