Proposed rules rewrite

[oranges]

Suggested rules rewrite

Let me know what you think

Primary Policies
0. Admins may disregard any of these rules at their discretion when they feel its in the best interest of the current round/server/playerbase at large. They will, of course, be fully accountable for their actions should they choose to exercise this privilege.

1.We’re all here to have a good time. If you’re intentionally trying to ruin everyone else’s good time, you won’t have a place here. Being a jerk in-character is fine to a point, but being a jerk out of character is not welcome at all.

2. You are playing a game where you are not fully in control of everything. You will be put into situations beyond your control, which will result in some rounds being ruined for you. Grow up and deal with it. However, if you are obviously griefed, be sure to report it to administrators by using the ‘adminhelp’ verb.

3. This is a roleplaying game. The purpose of the game is to have fun roleplaying. Being an asshole, who ruins other player’s roleplay experience, just to win, is considered a ‘play-to-win’ style of playing. You can and will be banned for this playstyle. Be considerate of other players’ experience.

4. IC information should be kept out of OOC channels and vice-versa.

5. Don’t metagame. Do not ever use information, acquired out of character or through patterns or events your character would not be able to know, in game, also abusing bugs is bannable, please report them for everyone's benefit.

6. If you take up or are given a job, which is important for game progression (head of staff, AI, antagonist role), make sure you actually do that job. If you find yourself unable to do this due to real life circumstances, just let an admin know (adminhelp) before you leave, please.

7. Speak like a normal person while in character. Don’t spam, either IC or OOC. Don’t use smileys, netspeak, etc. in IC speech.

8. No Creepy or sexual shit.

9. Ingame administration has the final say in all ingame matters. If problems arise, you can report offending or abusive admins on the forums. If an admin says something was valid, it means it was valid. This is the admin’s way of saying it’s been investigated and found to not breaking any rules; The admin will not reveal ingame information.

10. It should go without saying, but if you break the rules (or regularly come very close to breaking them i.e. “toeing the line”), you will be warned, muted, banned, or talked about rudely.

Additional Policies
Roleplay
Murder is justifiable as long as it was properly escalated. You can’t go from a single rude punch to a knife in the neck. You can, however, go from a single punch to a counter punch to a brawl to using weapons, and so on. Other IC justifications may exist for murder, but these are on a case by case basis. Minor aggravations like demotions, pranks, insults, or thefts are not adequate justification.

IC in OOC can be a no warning ban of 15 minutes, it can be longer if the IC in OOC is severe. To clarify, this is revealing anything about the current round that others can use in the OOC channel. If you are unsure do not say it.

Avoid using non character names. If you have a very offensive name or an obviously immersion breaking moniker like 'xenohunter360' you will be asked to change it.

As long as there is adequate IC backing and it doesn’t happen too often, assisting a traitor is within the rules.

Admins are not only allowed to run events or otherwise influence the course of rounds, they are encouraged to. They are as much GMs as they are enforcers of the rules, perhaps even moreso.

Persistent character relationships are acceptable, so long as they’re roleplayed out every round. Wordlessly
assisting your OOC friends (or harming your OOC foes) ICly is NOT cool and will be addressed harshly. Roleplaying out your interactions will help you stay on the right side of the rules. How much or how little of previous “shifts” your character recalls is up to their discretion, with the caveat that being a known traitor doesn’t persist past the round it occurred in.

Griefing on the shuttle can also be a no warning ban scaling up from 15 minutes. Shuttle griefing is attacking people or preventing people boarding before the shuttle has launched for no IC reason.

Silicons

All Silicons are expected to follow their laws to the best of their ability. Failure to do so will likely result in a job ban from all silicon positions.

Law order determines law priority. In the case of two laws contradicting, the one with the smaller law number wins.

Asimov silicons are not required to do what players who threaten self-harm demand, unless they choose to interpret law 1 to include that.

Command/Security

Security are expected to use non-lethal force when defending against non-lethal attacks. This of course also means that security are allowed the option to use lethal force when defending against lethal attacks. Getting stunned in a dark maintenance hallway by an assistant is potentially lethal - a clown slipping you outside Medbay, probably not.

Permabrigging is functionally the same as murder. Anyone who is valid for execution is valid for permabrigging. Anyone who is not justifiably executable is, likewise, not justifiably a candidate for permabrigging. Makeshift permabrigs are treated the same as the official permabrig in terms of rules-enforcement.

A Captain or acting Captain may execute criminals, traitors, and other known threats to the station should alternatives not prove sufficient. Abuse or misuse of this privilege can lead to job banning or worse.
Theft, assault, annoyance, false arrest, sentence times etc. are in character matters. Unless it is extremely excessive or griefy, it is not an admin matter.

Admin-help

When you adminhelp do not say things like 'is it valid?' or 'being griefed', give details of what is happening and ideally who is doing it, job and character name.

If you see someone doing something that seems out of line adminhelp right then, do not wait until round end to see if they are a traitor then adminhelp next round. It makes it a lot harder to deal with.

Do not lie in PM's and avoid being aggressive, unhelpful or insulting to admins, lying while being questioned over an incident will cause you to receive a longer ban and being consistently insulting or aggressive will get you muted.

[RandomMarine]

Did you just copypaste this from the oldest available revision on the wiki?

[Armhulen]

Did you just copypaste this from the oldest available revision on the wiki?

not a bad idea

[RandomMarine]

Kind of sad how the current rules don't even discourage play2win behavior.

[kevinz000]

+1
maybe i'm dumb and skipped it but please include a " do not say wtf/tbh/other forms of netspeak and any emoticons and stay in character". yes, it's included in the this is a roleplaying game thing, but sometimes it just isn't clear enough for people.

[DemonFiren]

Rule 7, Kev.

[Ikarrus]

I miss these rules and I regret supporting the bureaucratic mess it became

[Dr_bee]

the simplification of silicon policy alone is worth this re-write. Silicons feel like they have more rules than a high RP server sometimes.

Also the play2win moratorium will need to actually be enforced, I mean, it is technically against the rules NOW isnt it?

[imblyings]

play2win sounds good on paper but it's so case by case you may as well use rule 1

and the term roleplaying should never ever enter the rules because not enough people ever exist in the /tg/ community that know it's correct definition.

[Pascal125]

and the term roleplaying should never ever enter the rules because not enough people ever exist in the /tg/ community that know it's correct definition.

There is literally a minority of people here. Who believe that SS13/TGstation is a No-RP server, has always been a No-RP server, Is not a Roleplaying game, has never been a Roleplaying game. And should never try to be one.

They like to quote the absence of any references, or lack of substantial references to "Roleplay" in the rules or anything to support this claim.

That said, i personally agree with Oranges propositions, tbh. It looks pretty nice.

[Screemonster]

literally half the game's screen is a textbox for describing your actions and the actions of those around you

really makes you think

[Atlanta-Ned]

I love these.

[onleavedontatme]

Rules against play2win will never make sense as long as the "antags can kill anyone fnr" rule is intact.

Not to mention giant team modes like the cults and rev.

[imblyings]

and the term roleplaying should never ever enter the rules because not enough people ever exist in the /tg/ community that know it's correct definition.

There is literally a minority of people here. Who believe that SS13/TGstation is a No-RP server, has always been a No-RP server, Is not a Roleplaying game, has never been a Roleplaying game. And should never try to be one.

They like to quote the absence of any references, or lack of substantial references to "Roleplay" in the rules or anything to support this claim.

That said, i personally agree with Oranges propositions, tbh. It looks pretty nice.

rule 0/1 exists and we shouldn't give attention to those people in the first place also kor ninja

[CitrusGender]

Is there really a need to overhaul all the rules that have been ammended and changed for, what I would hope, would be good reason over time?

I don't see the reason to change them.

[cedarbridge]

Is there really a need to overhaul all the rules that have been ammended and changed for, what I would hope, would be good reason over time?

I don't see the reason to change them.

Logically, the proposition that the current rules are fine is not really self-defending. Policy change and such are not really based on a present need and more academically based on what is best overall. If reverting to an older ruleset would serve the server best, then it is true on its face that the change is "needed" as the goal is always to excel.

[Grazyn]

Is there really a need to overhaul all the rules that have been ammended and changed for, what I would hope, would be good reason over time?

I don't see the reason to change them.

They're making a statement that basically boils down to "policy discussion has always been useless and we may as well disregard everything and revert to the old rules" which is not wrong. Most threads here are ban appeals/ban requests and the rest are dupes of other threads because no matter wether a policy is "solved", there will always be admins who ignore the final ruling thus prompting another thread.

[oranges]

actually it was just so I could bait repukan into calling my ruleset unsuitable for /tg/ and then I could laugh at him.

[Cobby]

Ban these people

[Qbopper]

Rules against play2win will never make sense as long as the "antags can kill anyone fnr" rule is intact.

Not to mention giant team modes like the cults and rev.

Is there really a need to overhaul all the rules that have been ammended and changed for, what I would hope, would be good reason over time?

I don't see the reason to change them.

the joke is that oranges went to the original rules article revision and copy pasted it

citrus you were IN THE DISCORD VOICE CHAT WHEN HE POINTED THIS OUT

[Nilons]

Ban these people

this is a pretty good rules rewrite

[CitrusGender]

-snip-

citrus you were IN THE DISCORD VOICE CHAT WHEN HE POINTED THIS OUT

>is a joke
>literarly everyone in the thread takes this seriously

They're making a statement...

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Cedar is probably right though, but at the same time I only say it just due to the fact that I could only hope that the people who adjusted said rules had the needs for what is best for the server at heart.
Though, I would imagine a lawyer would be concerned with previous amendments and rulings.
all he cares about is money though,filthy lie-wayer

[Grazyn]

>is a joke

many shitty things we have today were added as a "joke" and somehow got through nonetheless, the whole 3/4 resprite started as a joke and now everything looks like shit

[CitrusGender]

>is a joke

many shitty things we have today were added as a "joke" and somehow got through nonetheless, the whole 3/4 resprite started as a joke and now everything looks like shit

If this actually gains enough traction then I'll write my opinon.

I see no reason to now.

[cedarbridge]

Posted as a joke or not I unironically support this rules reversion.

[Qbopper]

Posted as a joke or not I unironically support this rules reversion.

when i win the host vote let me rewrite some of the awkward parts because this sounds like it was written by an underage player

[Bawhoppennn]

I like it personally.

[feem]

who cares

[BeeSting12]

not like anyone reads the rules anyway lmao

[ThanatosRa]

doesnt matter
nothing matters

[Okand37]

Posted as a joke or not I unironically support this rules reversion.

[Cobby]

I think the rules should be replaced with Kors chart of admins. The rules mean nothing when in practice each admin has their own rulelist they not only adhere to but enforce as “written”. It would be a lot easier to just tell admins to fill out their typical views on a topic than to play policy ping-pong and argue semantics over something that has such large variability and continues to do such with each passing thread in this sub forum.

This is an entirely serious post.

[Qbopper]

I think the rules should be replaced with Kors chart of admins. The rules mean nothing when in practice each admin has their own rulelist they not only adhere to but enforce as “written”. It would be a lot easier to just tell admins to fill out their typical views on a topic than to play policy ping-pong and argue semantics over something that has such large variability and continues to do such with each passing thread in this sub forum.

This is an entirely serious post.

replacing the entire rule page with this is a dumb idea but there is likely a middle ground that would be more ideal than either

[CPTANT]

The stupid thing about any ruleset is that there will always be a ton of unwritten precedents that act as de facto rules anyway. If you only read the rules you have a good chance of being banned if you actually apply them as they are written.

[Screemonster]

To be fair though any ruleset that has a catch-all clause of "don't be a fucking retard asshole to other players" is gonna get people banned under precedents of things that involve being a fucking retard asshole to other players whether that specific method of being a fucking retard asshole is written down in the rules or not