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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby MrStonedOne » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:09 pm #35370

Heres a crazy idea:

Admins submit votes as posts in adminbus listing who they think should be headmin and why.

Those votes are made public and players get to vote on admins' votes.

The admin who made the vote will remain private till the end when the 'winner'(shitty term) is announced.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Staub » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:11 pm #35371

i can dig it. keeps it neutral and fair.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Bluespace » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:15 pm #35372

Is there any restrictions as to who can run for headmin because I want to seriously run for it.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby ColonicAcid » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:24 pm #35373

p. sure u have to be an admin.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby damiac » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:45 pm #35376

MrStonedOne wrote:Heres a crazy idea:

Admins submit votes as posts in adminbus listing who they think should be headmin and why.

Those votes are made public and players get to vote on admins' votes.

The admin who made the vote will remain private till the end when the 'winner'(shitty term) is announced.


The admins already get to pick 1, why should they have any influence over the player picked one?

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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Pandarsenic » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:36 pm #35393

Can we get Ikkarus to join the code project again so we can elect him coderheadmin?
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Timbrewolf » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:44 pm #35395

Ikky's still an admin, he'd be a viable candidate for that position.

I would suggest doing votes in the order of:

1) SoS'/coderbus' pick
2) Adminbus' pick
3) Playerbase's pick

This way the playerbase gets to see who has already been chosen for the other two roles and get to vote accordingly. By voting last they get to make the most informed vote.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby paprika » Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:55 pm #35426

The headmin that the coders pick doesn't have to be a maintainer or have the coder flag, I don't think. Just an admin who's involved with the codebase would be nice. Like HG, if he wasn't project manager. It gives them an ear into what the admins want, and especially big exploits, because admins find the most serious bugs I've come to find from just observing a lot of the time.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Ikarrus » Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:02 am #35428

Coderbus already has ears in adminbus; They just don't care about what adminbus wants.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Reimoo » Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:20 am #35434

If coderbus doesn't care about anybody else in the community, why should they have a rep in the headmin elections?

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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Aranclanos » Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:24 am #35437

Reimoo wrote:If coderbus doesn't care about anybody else in the community, why should they have a rep in the headmin elections?

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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Timbrewolf » Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:48 am #35447

Reimoo wrote:If coderbus doesn't care about anybody else in the community, why should they have a rep in the headmin elections?


So Scaredy doesn't have to bother picking someone, apparently.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Subtle » Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:50 am #35450

We're getting dangerously close to a derail here.
Let's leave the Admin/Coder culture-war out of it for the moment. It has very little to do with what we're trying to achieve.

SoS wanting Coderbus (a third entity in the arbitrary trifecta of /tg/station) to decide a third candidate doesn't necessarily point to anything other than that perhaps he doesn't want sole control of a choice. Having coders vote on Admins is, for sake of the debate, about as uninformed as players voting on Admins. Anyone who isn't in asay 99% of their time on the server is technically "uninformed." That doesn't make their opinions invalid or their vote not count.

They're still selecting from the same pool. They're still part of /tg/station. Their priorities are just different.

If we're going to oppose the third selection being from Coderbus let's do it for reasons other than "they're meanies and they don't listen to me."

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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby ColonicAcid » Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:55 am #35471

>dangerously close to a derail.
No I'm fairly certain this is on track, it's just a sore spot that most people don't like talking about.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Timbrewolf » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:31 am #35482

No he's right it's uncalled for.

If it's what SoS wants then so be it.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby miggles » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:09 am #35493

paprika wrote:
An0n3 wrote:If it was just a popularity contest why did Intigracy, Deuryn, or myself get so many votes?

B-b-because Intigracy was as much of an attention whore for votes as HBL was? Seriously, if you saw any of Intigracy's FUCK THE ADMINS I'M ON YOUR SIDE GUYS posts you'd realize he just tries to appeal to the lowest common denominator for votes. People STILL like him, too.

this isnt really relevant anymore but youre an idiot if you think he just did it for votes
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Timbrewolf » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:28 am #35509

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paprika wrote:
An0n3 wrote:If it was just a popularity contest why did Intigracy, Deuryn, or myself get so many votes?

B-b-because Intigracy was as much of an attention whore for votes as HBL was? Seriously, if you saw any of Intigracy's FUCK THE ADMINS I'M ON YOUR SIDE GUYS posts you'd realize he just tries to appeal to the lowest common denominator for votes. People STILL like him, too.

this isnt really relevant anymore but youre an idiot if you think he just did it for votes
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For a while he and I had been talking privately about him naming me as a successor when he left for the armed forces, to take over his responsibilities while he was gone. Being back and fighting with everyone tooth and nail over practically everything, I see both why he had considered it and also why he didn't do it.

Where is Deuryn in all this? He still logs into #adminbus pretty regularly but I haven't seen him comment on anything recently.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Hornygranny » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:24 am #35516

Deuryn is a myth at this point.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Timbrewolf » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:37 am #35518

I mean he's right there.

He's always been the kind of person you have to get their attention before you get anything out of him but unless he's dead and he has some kind of macro setup that turns on IRC and logs into adminbus periodically there must be SOME human being on the other end of that connection.

Has Deuryn become the ghost in the machine?
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Hornygranny » Sat Oct 11, 2014 7:57 am #35519

Yes.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby QuartzCrystal » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:16 pm #35559

To be fair, everyone basically agreed on the 3-tier vote option and then Scaredy just said that if we go with that option, he'll give his pick to the coders. Putting aside my culture-war opinions, I think this is a nice idea that potentially will bring about a balanced headmin triumvirate that will be able to speak to everyone's concerns.

So the question now is, what order do we do this in? I think doing:

nominations/candidate threads>ingame player vote (linking to threads)>coder vote>admin vote makes the most sense. (although the discussion/votes among coders and admins could happen simultaneously)

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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Scott » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:29 pm #35560

I disagree with the poll for player choice being made in game, as there will be people who will miss it.

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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby QuartzCrystal » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:34 pm #35561

Scott wrote:I disagree with the poll for player choice being made in game, as there will be people who will miss it.


What? You mean the people who don't play the game but post on the forums?

Fun fact: Not everyone visits these forums.

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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby paprika » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:47 pm #35563

We can always put 'VOTE NOW THIS IS FOR REAL THIS TIME' in the MOTD
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Cipher3 » Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:45 pm #35577

paprika wrote:We can always put 'VOTE NOW THIS IS FOR REAL THIS TIME' in the MOTD

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But honestly, a lot of people in game will neither know nor care, and probably just put down random votes if it bugs them to vote.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Reimoo » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:19 pm #35585

Then don't force everyone to vote. Make it visible enough that everyone at least knows about it but only the ones who care about it will actually participate.

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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby QuartzCrystal » Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:46 pm #35590

Just because this seems to be something we won't come to a unanimous decision on, I've made a separate thread with a poll to discuss the player vote options: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1655

EDIT: Here's a question though, are we all OK with people who belong to multiple groups voting multiple times essentially? Like, there are some people who are players, coders and admins.

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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby Apsis » Sat Oct 11, 2014 10:29 pm #35635

QuartzCrystal wrote:EDIT: Here's a question though, are we all OK with people who belong to multiple groups voting multiple times essentially? Like, there are some people who are players, coders and admins.

Everyone should pick a side and stick to it. I assume player's won't have sway on any admin or coder votes, so it should be equal on all fronts. Same thing between coders and admins. One person, one overall vote.

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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby callanrockslol » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:54 am #35681

Why are coders getting a headmin vote? Last time I checked they still considered themselves to be separate from the community and not accountable.

Then again last time I checked was last year and most of the retarded headcoders that constantly whined about that left forever.
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Re: Headministration 2; Electric Boogaloo

Postby MrStonedOne » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:14 am #35696

damiac wrote:
MrStonedOne wrote:Heres a crazy idea:

Admins submit votes as posts in adminbus listing who they think should be headmin and why.

Those votes are made public and players get to vote on admins' votes.

The admin who made the vote will remain private till the end when the 'winner'(shitty term) is announced.


The admins already get to pick 1, why should they have any influence over the player picked one?


I was suggesting that that be how all 3 (or so) are picked
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