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The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Wed May 02, 2018 11:59 pm
by MathFan

Bottom post of the previous page:

So recently I've been asked by admins to change the name of a character "Nyanaroni An'Cheese" because it breaks the naming rule, however I don't see how this does and I believe it falls under minimum effort not excessively OOC. I was told I'm not the only person this applies to despite the fact that another catgirl player Cup Cake is able to keep their name? I've never heard anyone named Cup. At least mine could be argued to be spaceage gibberish. I know that the user who plays Cup Cake was banned for refusing to change the name before, but they were unbanned and continue to play the character. Either you let all slightly stupid names through or you don't. Smell testes are unfair and the rules need to be updated regarding names and enforced on EVERYONE, because smell tests clearly aren't working.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:42 pm
by Nilons
The Clowns Pocket wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:
The Clowns Pocket wrote:Would I get booped if I named my ligger "Fucks-That-Ass" ?
yes
Then at WHAT POINT are ligger names "Too silly"? Because I thought X the Y names were okay, but now I am being told that this name is "Too hardcore for the ERP server"

Peanuts!
who made you this way

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:46 pm
by The Clowns Pocket
Nilons wrote:
The Clowns Pocket wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:
The Clowns Pocket wrote:Would I get booped if I named my ligger "Fucks-That-Ass" ?
yes
Then at WHAT POINT are ligger names "Too silly"? Because I thought X the Y names were okay, but now I am being told that this name is "Too hardcore for the ERP server"

Peanuts!
who made you this way
Oh but a name like "Ostrova of Nanotransen" is fine though

So "X of Y" names are fine, does that mean I can play as "Smith, Human of TGstation"

This name policy is stupid!

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:50 pm
by somerandomguy
Nilons wrote:
The Clowns Pocket wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:
The Clowns Pocket wrote:Would I get booped if I named my ligger "Fucks-That-Ass" ?
yes
Then at WHAT POINT are ligger names "Too silly"? Because I thought X the Y names were okay, but now I am being told that this name is "Too hardcore for the ERP server"

Peanuts!
who made you this way
He was bitten by some radioactive poop.
The Clowns Pocket wrote:
Nilons wrote:snip
Oh but a name like "Ostrova of Nanotransen" is fine though

So "X of Y" names are fine, does that mean I can play as "Smith, Human of TGstation"

This name policy is stupid!
>capitalizing /tg/

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 2:53 pm
by Shaps-cloud
X of Y can totally work fine as long as you can come up with a good reason to justify it and don't put the server name in IC

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 3:00 pm
by The Clowns Pocket
Do Clown names need to follow the naming policy? I feel they should! We should not have some SNOWFLAKE running around the halls with names like "No No Word" or "Beat the Clown"! My immersion is ruined!

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 3:03 pm
by Grazyn
As I said elsewhere, IRL we see kids everyday with names that only 10 years ago would've have looked outrageously silly. SS13 takes place more than half a millennium from now. Who knows what kind of zany names will people have by then?

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 3:13 pm
by somerandomguy
Grazyn wrote:As I said elsewhere, IRL we see kids everyday with names that only 10 years ago would've have looked outrageously silly. SS13 takes place more than half a millennium from now. Who knows what kind of zany names will people have by then?
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Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 3:16 pm
by SpaceInaba
my personal opinion is that if your name
1) aligns with lore
2) doesn't make multiple people cringe from reading it
3) has something to do with your gimmick (that is actually creative)
4) is actually a fucking name to some degree
it should be fine

also sidenote dumb post: ostrich of nanotechnology is a stupid fucking name because it's not a name it's a title, you wouldn't call your local security worker "JOHN OF WALMART" would you?

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 3:21 pm
by Lazengann
I would absolutely call a fat mall cop "JOHN OF WALMART"

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 3:57 pm
by Arianya
The Clowns Pocket wrote:
Nilons wrote:
The Clowns Pocket wrote:
Dax Dupont wrote:
The Clowns Pocket wrote:Would I get booped if I named my ligger "Fucks-That-Ass" ?
yes
Then at WHAT POINT are ligger names "Too silly"? Because I thought X the Y names were okay, but now I am being told that this name is "Too hardcore for the ERP server"

Peanuts!
who made you this way
Oh but a name like "Ostrova of Nanotransen" is fine though

So "X of Y" names are fine, does that mean I can play as "Smith, Human of TGstation"

This name policy is stupid!
much like your posting

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:08 pm
by Nilons
SpaceInaba wrote:my personal opinion is that if your name
1) aligns with lore
2) doesn't make multiple people cringe from reading it
3) has something to do with your gimmick (that is actually creative)
4) is actually a fucking name to some degree
it should be fine

also sidenote dumb post: ostrich of nanotechnology is a stupid fucking name because it's not a name it's a title, you wouldn't call your local security worker "JOHN OF WALMART" would you?
ss13 =/= real life

you should know this

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:10 pm
by D&B
Either set a hardline or let us enjoy when the nepotism and favoritism run amok past their dark cloaks and stupid threads like these are made because of it.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:20 pm
by Shaps-cloud
Sorry corporate adoption is sick lore and Ostrava stays

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:21 pm
by SpaceInaba
Nilons wrote:
SpaceInaba wrote:my personal opinion is that if your name
1) aligns with lore
2) doesn't make multiple people cringe from reading it
3) has something to do with your gimmick (that is actually creative)
4) is actually a fucking name to some degree
it should be fine

also sidenote dumb post: ostrich of nanotechnology is a stupid fucking name because it's not a name it's a title, you wouldn't call your local security worker "JOHN OF WALMART" would you?
ss13 =/= real life

you should know this
yeah ok orangutan of namibia

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:23 pm
by SpaceInaba
my single most favorite name of any character I've ever seen is "Adopted-For-Tax-Reasons" which is a human and it's hilarious to me

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:41 pm
by DemonFiren
SpaceInaba wrote:my single most favorite name of any character I've ever seen is "Adopted-For-Tax-Reasons" which is a human and it's hilarious to me
reminds me of Raised-By-Lizards and Actually-A-Human

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 4:58 pm
by EvilJackCarver
I think I know what my next gimmick human name is going to be for a couple of rounds

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 5:35 pm
by iamgoofball
SpaceInaba wrote:my single most favorite name of any character I've ever seen is "Adopted-For-Tax-Reasons" which is a human and it's hilarious to me
holy shit that's good

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 5:59 pm
by Atlanta-Ned
Shaps-cloud wrote:Sorry corporate adoption is sick lore and Ostrava stays
[youtube]mOEr7kiysrE[/youtube]

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 6:42 pm
by MathFan
PKPenguin321 wrote:When I was first born, I was different. I was more aerodynamic than the other babies. More slippery, too. When I left the womb, I came out flying. Apparently I was also bouncier than the other babies, because I then ricocheted off of the walls for what my parents recall as "a good five minutes." This of course left me horribly disfigured, as a baby should not suffer that many high velocity blunt impacts. My face was comparable to that of a bowl of mac n cheese, and still is to this day. I was undateable. Unfriendable, even. My face was so incredibly revolting that in a last ditch attempt to look cuter I decided to have genetically modified cat ears and a tail grown on me. However, I also happen to have suffered severe brain damage, which has caused me to become incredibly mentally deficient, and in my haze of stupidity I overlooked the fact that cat ears do not make the face look better. They do not even draw attention from the face. I have since suffered many hardships due to my various and incredibly revolting disabilities. If you asked what the hardest one was, though, I'd tell you it was when I started to get called Nyanaroni An'Cheese.
Glad you understand... This is the deep backstory I'm going for here, Nyanaroni DOES and always has suffered from crippling disabilities...

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 6:43 pm
by MathFan
Shezza wrote:Also

>2003

We know morty is 15

We know he used accounts like Futafan

2018-15=2003

Hello morty?
Don't know what you're getting at but my Byond username is intentionally VERY shitty including the "2003" thing

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 6:46 pm
by SpaceInaba
i hate your avatar so I hate you too sorry

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 6:48 pm
by MathFan
imblyings wrote:maybe they play a catgirl

maybe Mac is a boring name
It's supposed to be a non-pun.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:38 pm
by Digdugxx
TFW someone actually tries to defend your degenerate ass old name

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 9:29 pm
by oranges
The entire problem of this policy was enumerated, it's not enforced by the majority of the admin team because (speaking personally) it's a horrible policy and I won't ruin peoples rounds just because they have a funky name. (Excluding those who name themselves hitler or stalin, like come on it's been done, although there’s' RP potential to play someone unfortunately named Hitler).

Only admins I ever see enforcing this are the "/tg/'s RP needs to be higher group" who are bananas god rest their souls

The headadmin team seem to realise this but don't appear to care, or only plan to double down which seems insane to me.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 9:51 pm
by Armhulen
I'm ready to wrap this thread up but discussion is still underway so just complain for awhile longer until a decision is made ty

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:02 pm
by Saegrimr
The only thing worse than having a garbage name like nyanaroni or cup cake is trying to justify it with "BUT MY DEEP BACKSTORY WHERE MY PARENTS HATED ME..."

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:06 pm
by The Clowns Pocket
Yeah! Clearly our name policy isn't deep enough!

We should either force random names or have you fill out an ingame birth certificuit to play characters with names, and then INSTANT BAN players who dare step away from the name policy!

Then say that we let the name "Cup Cake" slide as a joke!

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:10 pm
by OhChildflayer
What about flypeople? We literally eat vomit, so I feel we should get extra slack on shitty names.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:58 pm
by CitrusGender
oranges wrote:The entire problem of this policy was enumerated, it's not enforced by the majority of the admin team because (speaking personally) it's a horrible policy and I won't ruin peoples rounds just because they have a funky name. (Excluding those who name themselves hitler or stalin, like come on it's been done, although there’s' RP potential to play someone unfortunately named Hitler).

Only admins I ever see enforcing this are the "/tg/'s RP needs to be higher group" who are bananas god rest their souls

The headadmin team seem to realise this but don't appear to care, or only plan to double down which seems insane to me.
Why would the man who says that headmins shouldn't step into policy that is enforced inconsistently say that?

You've literarly said before that headmins shouldn't step into policy because they will inevitably make inconsistently enforced policy.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 11:30 pm
by EvilJackCarver
OhChildflayer wrote:... we should get extra slack on shitty names.
Childflayer I swear to fuck

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 11:32 pm
by Cobby
We offer a lot more flavors that aren't naming policy here at the /tg/ ice cream parlor...

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 12:55 am
by OhChildflayer
EvilJackCarver wrote:
OhChildflayer wrote:... we should get extra slack on shitty names.
Childflayer I swear to fuck
:)

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:11 am
by oranges
CitrusGender wrote:
oranges wrote:The entire problem of this policy was enumerated, it's not enforced by the majority of the admin team because (speaking personally) it's a horrible policy and I won't ruin peoples rounds just because they have a funky name. (Excluding those who name themselves hitler or stalin, like come on it's been done, although there’s' RP potential to play someone unfortunately named Hitler).

Only admins I ever see enforcing this are the "/tg/'s RP needs to be higher group" who are bananas god rest their souls

The headadmin team seem to realise this but don't appear to care, or only plan to double down which seems insane to me.
Why would the man who says that headmins shouldn't step into policy that is enforced inconsistently say that?

You've literarly said before that headmins shouldn't step into policy because they will inevitably make inconsistently enforced policy.
The point you should have taken away from that discussion is that policy will never be consistently enforced because admins are only human, that is why it's very important to have a robust appeals process (which we do) and that trying to overly heavily handedly prescribe policy (like say the naming policy) will only cause trouble.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 2:50 am
by Qbopper
Shaps-cloud wrote:I still fail to see why Ostrava of Nanotrasen is a bad name, he could have gotten that by being some orphan who was corporately adopted by NT, is it just that one person didn't like it any everyone else piled on it?

But yes the name in the OP is pretty bad
it seems a bit egregious when pretty much every other person in the game tends to use a firstname lastname/verbs-the-noun and it sticks out

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 5:25 am
by OhChildflayer
Qbopper wrote:
Shaps-cloud wrote:I still fail to see why Ostrava of Nanotrasen is a bad name, he could have gotten that by being some orphan who was corporately adopted by NT, is it just that one person didn't like it any everyone else piled on it?

But yes the name in the OP is pretty bad
it seems a bit egregious when pretty much every other person in the game tends to use a firstname lastname/verbs-the-noun and it sticks out
In all seriousness, who fucking cares? Honestly, if it sticks out, so what? I get why "Alecifnarlyoistarian Jasmeorlamphromatosis" is not OK. I get why "KILLALLTHEJEWS ALLTHETIME" is not OK. But, why does it matter if someone wants to be called Cup Cake, or Ham Burger? I'm really not trying to be an ass, but we're on a space station where wizards and shit are the norm, it just seems like this is needlessly splitting hairs.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 5:39 am
by DemonFiren
would you accept someone who calls himself PIZZA DOG (all caps included)?

point being, the problem is finding out the exact line between acceptable and unacceptable and the closer we get to it the more likely the thread is to devolve into shitposting
judging by the last few times this kind of thread has popped up usually initiated by people on the naming rules are for cucks side, presumably to leave the status quo unchanged

also I googled the more interesting name in your post on a whim

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 5:48 am
by OhChildflayer
DemonFiren wrote:would you accept someone who calls himself PIZZA DOG (all caps included)?

point being, the problem is finding out the exact line between acceptable and unacceptable and the closer we get to it the more likely the thread is to devolve into shitposting
judging by the last few times this kind of thread has popped up usually initiated by people on the naming rules are for cucks side, presumably to leave the status quo unchanged

also I googled the more interesting name in your post on a whim
I don't care if someone names themselves PIZZA DOG. If I have to mention them over the radio, it takes almost zero extra effort to say their name. Side note: What about the more interesting name? Was it because it was mine?

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 6:15 am
by Grazyn
Geez the line is really thin and rulings are inconsistent if admins are warning people named NYANARONI AN'CHEESE

It's all or nothing folks, don't dare call yourself Brad Wurst because there's zero tolerance for food names

also
Nilons wrote:Why do people immediately jump to "YEAH WELL ILL PLAY A GUY NAMED BIG FUCKING IDIOT IF YOU DONT MAKE STRICTER POLICY" every time one of these threads happens

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 6:27 am
by PKPenguin321
DemonFiren wrote:would you accept someone who calls himself PIZZA DOG (all caps included)?
Pizza dog
Pizza dog
Put him in the oven and watch him grow

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 12:05 pm
by bandit
literally how hard is it to choose a name that sounds like a name and not an aol instant messenger handle

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 12:18 pm
by D&B
bandit wrote:literally how hard is it to choose a name that sounds like a name and not an aol instant messenger handle
Sure, that's not hard. At what point do you guys define aol instant messenger handle?

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:24 pm
by SpaceInaba
Grazyn wrote:It's all or nothing folks, don't dare call yourself Brad Wurst because there's zero tolerance for food names
this is bait right

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 2:26 pm
by Grazyn
Conchita Wurst is an actual name. It would get you banned on /tg/ if the zero policy folks had it their way.

How about admins use common sense instead of trying to regulate everything because otherwise some dimwit will join the server as TurboNigger69 to make a point?

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 2:33 pm
by Dax Dupont
Grazyn wrote:Conchita Wurst is an actual name.
That's a drag queen stage name.

You're talking about Thomas Neuwirth.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 2:50 pm
by Grazyn
Whatever, it's a first name last name and only the last name is a reference to food. The sexual innuendo is also lost if you don't play an actual bearded female character. Banning it because FOOD NAME as someone is suggesting here is some zero policy bullshit that shouldn't have a place on this server.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 2:52 pm
by SpaceInaba
you remind me of op because your avatar sucks so I'm going to not respond to you anymore because you're dumb

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 3:16 pm
by The Clowns Pocket
And what about Clown Names? Sure, "DICKFARTPISS" shoulden't be allowed, but how about food names for clowns?

Or should clowns just use the randomly generated names?

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 3:39 pm
by Alipheese
Well shucks, seems we need a review of naming policy. But hopefully admins actually collaborate and speak with eachother and players to get an easy and defined policy.
Oh wait i tried that once and it was laughed at.

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 3:40 pm
by WarbossLincoln
I should change my name to Affirmative-Action-Hiree

Re: The naming policy IS DUMB

Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 4:19 pm
by ohnopigeons
I used to play Ayl Mao and it was brought up in a thread once over its terribleness. Outside of that, nothing ever came of it, either in game or OOC.
I've since moved on to equally terrible if not worse names.

Just live and let live. Existing policy (first name last name phonetically sound) is fine.