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Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:31 pm
by iamgoofball
https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 23&t=17945

Our administrators should not be allowed to freely insult and deride members of other communities while serving as a public servant for /tg/. I demand we institute a form of punishment for inappropriate and divisive behavior while representing the /tg/station server community and brand name.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:33 pm
by SpaceInaba
"people should not be allowed to make fun of me"

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:37 pm
by oranges
I agree with goof, admins are losers

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:38 pm
by Not-Dorsidarf
I think it should be policy that goofball gets a weekban for each joke policy thread

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:39 pm
by iksyp
goof do you need a hug

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:40 pm
by iamgoofball
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:I think it should be policy that goofball gets a weekban for each joke policy thread
I think you should stop trying to silence all opinions you disagree with by saying it's a "joke".

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:41 pm
by kevinz000
Separation of project and server
You're not having it both ways

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:42 pm
by iamgoofball
That's exactly my point? Codebase is a separate entity and community. Administrators acting like douchebags there reflects just as badly on the /tg/station server community as it would if they acted like douchebags at Facepunch or on Steam Discussions.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:43 pm
by kevinz000
You're asking for admins to be punished for making fun of you on the codebase

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:45 pm
by iamgoofball
I'm asking for admins who are public servants to be punished for poorly representing the /tg/station server community while out and about in the rest of the internet.

Their actions on my pull request in a separate community from the server is a perfect example. Please learn to look at the big picture for once in your life. Scope is a real thing.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:46 pm
by IkeTG
iamgoofball wrote:I demand we institute a form of punishment for inappropriate and divisive behavior while representing the /tg/station server community and brand name.
I'm not sure if taking the moral high ground is the right choice here considering how harmless the comment you made the initial thread over is. It's hard not to assume this thread was made in bad faith.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:49 pm
by Shezza
Goof has a valid point in making this policy thread, its not clear to players over what an admin can be punished.
Attacking him for making a thread only makes you look like an asshole.


An Admin shouldn't go out his way to harrass members of our community in any other community and expect to get away with it.


However the incident related to making this thread is just a light-hearted joke. And shouldn't be punished unless it repeats and goof takes it as a repeated harrasement from an admin.


/thread

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:53 pm
by Ayy Lemoh
I thought the codebase and server wasn't so separate that apparently our own CODE is not actually a part of our server.

When I read this, I thought we were being dicks to a different server.

Like, no offense to Goof, but this doesn't seem like that big of a deal as the thread title implies.
An Admin shouldn't go out his way to harrass members of our community in any other community and expect to get away with it.
I don't understand why we have a Coderbase faction and a Server faction as if we're fucking tribals, but I guess I'm just not in the know.

It says tg, the code is for the tg server, and I think a good chunk of the coders who code on it are people who play even if it's only every other tuesday when the planets align or like tg. If they didn't then why not code for the other servers out there?

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:53 pm
by kevinz000
It should be determined on a case by case basis as it has always been.
If an admin raided some place and claims to be from here sure?
But in this case you're honestly being a baby

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:53 pm
by Wyzack
Aye

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:55 pm
by Owegno
Pay me 55$ an hour and I will act professional everywhere on the internet. Otherwise I'm just going to act normal elsewhere because this isn't a job.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:57 pm
by Rustledjimm
I'll do it for £15 an hour

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:58 pm
by oranges
Ayy Lemoh wrote:I thought the codebase and server wasn't so separate that apparently our own CODE is not actually a part of our server.

When I read this, I thought we were being dicks to a different server.

Like, no offense to Goof, but this doesn't seem like that big of a deal as the thread title implies.
An Admin shouldn't go out his way to harrass members of our community in any other community and expect to get away with it.
I don't understand why we have a Coderbase faction and a Server faction as if we're fucking tribals, but I guess I'm just not in the know.

It says tg, the code is for the tg server, and I think a good chunk of the coders who code on it are people who play even if it's only every other tuesday when the planets align or like tg. If they didn't then why not code for the other servers out there?
wrong, the seperation is absolute

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:58 pm
by Boris
I'll do it for one bitcoin a year, bincoin isn't a dead meme yet right?

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:59 pm
by NikNakFlak
goofchem lmao

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:59 pm
by Saegrimr
Goof's whining is almost as bad as goofchem.

Summon the anti-bully rangers.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:00 pm
by IkeTG
Shezza wrote:Goof has a valid point in making this policy thread, its not clear to players over what an admin can be punished.
Attacking him for making a thread only makes you look like an asshole.


An Admin shouldn't go out his way to harrass members of our community in any other community and expect to get away with it.


However the incident related to making this thread is just a light-hearted joke. And shouldn't be punished unless it repeats and goof takes it as a repeated harrasement from an admin.
If there was a valid point to make here, it's been thrown out with the bathwater. Bad-faith arguments like this thread puts everyone in an unfair position, one where it's hard to truly take anything seriously, especially since you don't know if you're going to be at the butt end of a joke if you give your honest-to-god answer.

If Goofball wanted to start a dialogue about admin harassment, he chose the worst way to go about it.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:00 pm
by Shaps-cloud
Lol

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:00 pm
by Not-Dorsidarf
iamgoofball wrote:
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:I think it should be policy that goofball gets a weekban for each joke policy thread
I think you should stop trying to silence all opinions you disagree with by saying it's a "joke".
you might not have been joking, but this thread is still a joke

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:06 pm
by oranges
the irony is that half the admin team constantly call for goof to be gitbanned/forum banned every time he speaks, so acting like a reverse of this is a joke when they unironically believe the other way is the real joke.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:17 pm
by Saegrimr
Imagine for a moment living a day as a gigantic shittalking baby that screams his loudest when someone laughs back, this like last time and all the times before it I look forward to your next political removal PR to try and send a message while also crying about your codebase being separate from the server or what the fuck ever.
It's a wonder you're even still around. Probably because not even /vg/station wants you.

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Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:23 pm
by iamgoofball
Ah yes, publicly mock someone because they reported shitposts in a serious policy discussion thread. Really mature, man.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:25 pm
by Saegrimr
Goof you should know how I work by now, the only people you're fooling are people that haven't been around long enough to see your bullshit.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:28 pm
by iamgoofball
Saegrimr wrote:Goof you should know how I work by now, the only people you're fooling are people that haven't been around long enough to see your bullshit.
Have you considered for once in your life that people don't always have ulterior motives?

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:28 pm
by Saegrimr
"This time is different, guys!"

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:29 pm
by cedarbridge
Daily reminder that this is not Applebees.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:30 pm
by iamgoofball
I feel there's a conflict of interest with Saegrimir handling reports on his own posts. Is this actionable?

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:34 pm
by Stickymayhem
iamgoofball wrote:I feel there's a conflict of interest with Saegrimir handling reports on his own posts. Is this actionable?
Please don't harass forum moderators. The separation between coderbus and the forums is absolute.

We will be speaking to the maintainers about your unpleasant behaviour towards poor Saegrimr.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:34 pm
by Saegrimr
iamgoofball wrote:I feel there's a conflict of interest with Saegrimir handling reports on his own posts. Is this actionable?
Hate to break the news but I haven't touched reports in this thread, and especially not my own. Shocking right? Almost like how ahelps and such are handled on the server when I was an admin.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:35 pm
by SpaceInaba
cedarbridge wrote:Daily reminder that this is not Applebees.
We live in a society.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:37 pm
by Rustledjimm
Saeg has not handled any of the reports on this page. They are all still there.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:44 pm
by iamgoofball
Rustledjimm wrote:Saeg has not handled any of the reports on this page. They are all still there.
Thanks for checking it out. The forums gave me an email saying that reports had been deleted, and with Saeg posting images of the report queue, I figured he was the one deleting them.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:48 pm
by iamgoofball
CosmicScientist wrote:
Rustledjimm wrote:Saeg has not handled any of the reports on this page. They are all still there.
Could you close this because goof can just ask oranges to delete any off topic or jabbing comments?

That and I assume any admemes being fluffernutters can be talked to regardless if they're a right bellend.
Having to constantly bug maintainers to delete comments because administrators feel entitied to shitposting on separate communities doesn't actually fix the problem of shitposting, it just hides it, sometimes literally.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:54 pm
by Karp
nearly twisted my nuts while reading this thread and laughing thanks for the material goof

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:15 pm
by PKPenguin321
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0:38

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:25 pm
by captain sawrge
iamgoofball wrote:admins who are public servants
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Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:27 pm
by Bluespace
you're a talented coder goof, and that's all that matters to me.
i appreciate you.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:41 pm
by Qbopper
It's incredible that I'm saying this to someone else but holy shit goof grow up

You can't act the way you do and then have the gall to turn around and complain that an admin was mean to you

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:45 pm
by BeeSting12
Public servants is hilarious. Try unpaid volunteers instead?

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:52 pm
by BeeSting12
its kinda crazy that someone who isnt even paying for a service can act so entitled that unpaid volunteers wont suck his micropenis

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:52 pm
by Ayy Lemoh
PKPenguin321 wrote:0:38
Even without being used as a forum weapon or something, it's funny that this existed.

lmao.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:54 pm
by Lazengann
arent firemen held to a standard? admins are just like firemen right

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:23 am
by Gamarr
Public servant is not quite right but admins in whatever capacity are the public face of things and this can probably be said to be one of their few real functions for what they handle. There shouldn't be a fucking bureaucracy to require a mass of them however.

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:30 am
by D&B
This is rich coming from you goof.

Also someone add me to the fucking screenshot

Re: Admins represent the server elsewhere, how should they be punished for bad representation?

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:01 am
by Rustledjimm
Alright. We're ending the charade here.

We're volunteers, we are not a professional body. We however do try to maintain some level of professionalism and seriousness when on the server and, most of the time, in FNR forum section. Elsewhere we have no additional expectations on our admins than has already been outlined.