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if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:53 pm
by iamgoofball
basically this is that friendly antag ban thread except less retarded and we're not talking about suicide wizards period


if someone isn't going to do their job as an antag, just fuckin take the role from them and pass it to a random player, or go mash create antags or something god fuck can you guys get your act together


also stop fucking leaving traitor on if you don't want to be a traitor like jesus christ are you fucking five years old holy shit stop being a dumpster fire and remember to hit A SINGLE BUTTON before starting the round

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:09 pm
by iamgoofball
CosmicScientist wrote:Easier solution that has seen use before, send a second wizard with an objective to kill the first.

Also how does an admin know a traitor isn't being a traitor?
this is literally what I said in the OP thanks 4 repeating it


>Also how does an admin know a traitor isn't being a traitor

i understand I am usually implying aka stating outright that admins have less brain cells than a fucking stink bug but i think they can use common sense???????????


bar than we can check the following properties:
1. hasn't spent any of their good boy antag points BUT also hasn't done any of the below because some people do no spent TC runs like a boss
2. hasn't converted anyone or made an attempt to
3. hasn't actually been a driving force in the round
4. hasn't supported their team at all
5. is wanking off in the bar all day with their metagame buddiesfriends
6. immediately gave everything they had antag related to Security and fucked off

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:09 pm
by Nabski
Occasionally people Ahelp saying that they don't feel robust enough to be traitor or concerned that by not being a good enough traitor they will ruin the round. I typically try to convince them that anything they do is fine, and if they have to go I'll be willing to offer them to ghosts.

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:11 pm
by iamgoofball
Nabski wrote:Occasionally people Ahelp saying that they don't feel robust enough to be traitor or concerned that by not being a good enough traitor they will ruin the round. I typically try to convince them that anything they do is fine, and if they have to go I'll be willing to offer them to ghosts.
there you go see this is how you handle it none of that dumb ban shit that was ebing throw around in the thread before

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:18 pm
by PKPenguin321
This was talked about a bit in the thread we had I think last week. https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 33&t=20124
I don't think the headmins are interested in this at the moment considering they locked the last thread.

That said, if the antags aren't doing shit and the round's been going on for long enough, sometimes I'll spawn more.

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:19 pm
by Not-Dorsidarf
I tend to give them a grace period in case they're trying to do something sneaky.

Then if it turns out they arent i set fire to the world.

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:31 pm
by adamkad1
why does everyone love murderboners?

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:39 pm
by PKPenguin321
adamkad1 wrote:why does everyone love murderboners?
This is not what the thread is talking about and I will be removing further mentions of this. The debate is not "MURDERBONE OR NOTHING," stop framing it that way.

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:58 pm
by somerandomguy
There is some validity to that argument, how do you know the traitor isn't just waiting for materials and tech points
What would the cutoff even be to run the check
Having your antag roll stolen from you while you're setting up a plan isn't much better than getting bannu'd for it

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:27 am
by Dr_bee
"REEE STOP PLAYING IN A WAY I DONT LIKE"

Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.

The moment you start restricting what antags can do IC is the moment we go full bay and ban people for not RPing breathing.

Some of my best antag rounds have been when Ive gotten all my objectives done without being noticed as even suspicious, and sometimes even going out of my way to save the station. Nothing like being hailed as a hero only to have people see that you greentexted right under their noses.

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:14 am
by subject217
Dr_bee wrote:Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.
they can do whatever unless it's a rule 4 exception or suicide as a wizard, apparently

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:56 am
by iamgoofball
Dr_bee wrote:"REEE STOP PLAYING IN A WAY I DONT LIKE"

Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.

The moment you start restricting what antags can do IC is the moment we go full bay and ban people for not RPing breathing.

Some of my best antag rounds have been when Ive gotten all my objectives done without being noticed as even suspicious, and sometimes even going out of my way to save the station. Nothing like being hailed as a hero only to have people see that you greentexted right under their noses.
so like did you read anything in this thread, or

because your given example wouldn't be stopped here

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:34 am
by Dr_bee
subject217 wrote:
Dr_bee wrote:Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.
they can do whatever unless it's a rule 4 exception or suicide as a wizard, apparently
the antag can do whatever in character, it doesnt mean the player can be a dick, you cant crash the server or use an exploit and claim solo antag immunity, and you never could.

People are just salty their shitty suicide wizard meme is dead.

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:38 pm
by iamgoofball
Dr_bee wrote:
subject217 wrote:
Dr_bee wrote:Seriously, solo antags can do whatever, suck it up.
they can do whatever unless it's a rule 4 exception or suicide as a wizard, apparently
the antag can do whatever in character, it doesnt mean the player can be a dick, you cant crash the server or use an exploit and claim solo antag immunity, and you never could.

People are just salty their shitty suicide wizard meme is dead.
this is not about the suicide wizard crap please stop fucking bringing it up christ READ THE OP

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:13 pm
by WarbossLincoln
I guess it's a rerun week.

Just like before this is something admins can easily handle case by case and we don't need to muck with Rule 4 over it.

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:50 pm
by Cobby
I don't think this needs to be solidified into a policy moreso than admins moving away from robocop and more onto the DM role.

If an antag is lacking you could just spawn in another, or you could create an interesting event and see if the current antags were simply playing the bystander waiting for a diversion.

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:15 pm
by Screemonster
Cobby wrote:If an antag is lacking you could just spawn in another, or you could create an interesting event and see if the current antags were simply playing the bystander waiting for a diversion.
I know I've had times where I've been unable to think of any particular gimmick at first but then inspiration strikes when someone else does something

what's an antagonist without a protagonist to foil

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:36 am
by Floiven
Cobby wrote:I don't think this needs to be solidified into a policy moreso than admins moving away from robocop and more onto the DM role.

If an antag is lacking you could just spawn in another, or you could create an interesting event and see if the current antags were simply playing the bystander waiting for a diversion.
Like Cobby said, this seems more like the responsibility of an admin to act like a DM and spice up the round (within reason and allowing for people with longer term plans). Reminds of DnD campaigns. To be fair, most admins that are around when I'm on have done a good job of taking care of the pacing of the rounds in my experience. Adding something like a set time limit that has to have passed before events can be added only would allow for meta-ing and creating predictable rounds, I like it having the fuzzy human element of a DM behind the curtain deciding when to pull the levers.

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:49 am
by leibniz
Cobby wrote:I don't think this needs to be solidified into a policy moreso than admins moving away from robocop and more onto the DM role.

If an antag is lacking you could just spawn in another, or you could create an interesting event and see if the current antags were simply playing the bystander waiting for a diversion.
This is how it should be.
I think the admins should ideally strive to make boring rounds interesting by sending trouble the station's way, not with the intent of breaking them but to let them earn their victory.

Re: if someone isn't using their antag status, pass the status to someone else

Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:28 am
by Arianya
I think the thread more or less made its way to this point by itself, but to give the headmin ruling:

We currently have no plan to change antagonist freedoms. That includes your freedom to decide to be a friendly wizard or whatever.

What we will say (and has been said in the past, so its not really a new ruling) is that admins are encouraged to insert conflict into a round which is lacking it, whether due to non-antagonistic antags or other reasons. That could take the form of an event, additional antagonists being spawned, or something else entirely.