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terranaut wrote:i saw this video before it was posted here
you too can be cool like me if you just subscribe to imsxz youtube channel
Arianya wrote:no, not the snails, shut up imsxz
Nervore wrote:I am going to will you out of existence, Imsxz.
One day, you will just cease to exist.
MortoSasye wrote:Should it [..] be punished by us admins due to rule 1?
BeeSting12 wrote:It should be dealt with by warning the guy, giving him a three month expiration note, and leaving it at that. Three months is long enough to see that he changed, and I wouldn't even consider it a punishment since the note expires.
MortoSasye wrote:be punished by us admins due to rule 1?
terranaut wrote:i saw this video before it was posted here
you too can be cool like me if you just subscribe to imsxz youtube channel
Arianya wrote:no, not the snails, shut up imsxz
Nervore wrote:I am going to will you out of existence, Imsxz.
One day, you will just cease to exist.
thehogshotgun wrote:How does having jannies like you, who have more brain tumor than brain benefit the server
BeeSting12 wrote:I also don't feel like there should be a hard number where murderboning is/isn't allowed because then we'd get rules lawyers saying, "well, there were 31 players on the server and the lowpop threshold is 30 so I didn't break any rules."
Stickymayhem wrote:roleplaying
Karp wrote:Watching server pop counts drop by 10-30 players during those periods because of a single shithead murderboning is lame and I will ban you if your play as an antag is to grief as hard as possible when people can't retaliate and to leave the server when caught/not an antag
Eskjjlj wrote:Look at this admin making up rules. Reminds me of something I wrote earlier.
Xeroxemnas wrote:Eskjjlj wrote:Look at this admin making up rules. Reminds me of something I wrote earlier.
>making up rules.
I mean if you intentionally go out of your way to act in bad faith and roundstart suicide as nonantag every fucking round regardless of whatever job slots you waste you're a massive faggot and deserve a rule zero.
teepeepee wrote:Xeroxemnas wrote:Eskjjlj wrote:Look at this admin making up rules. Reminds me of something I wrote earlier.
>making up rules.
I mean if you intentionally go out of your way to act in bad faith and roundstart suicide as nonantag every fucking round regardless of whatever job slots you waste you're a massive faggot and deserve a rule zero.
it's pretty bad faith to talk about antag rolling when the thread is about murderboning while being antag and his comment pointed at an admin ignoring rule 4, practice what you preach buddy
Karp wrote:there are a train of people who do this eskjjlj and trust me none of them have been punished until the 20th-30th time they've done this where they suicide as a nonantag and attempt to depopulate the station by permanently removing people and spam recall the shuttle during lowpop when there are like 30 crewmembers, and while this moreso is something that occured in the past I still think its cancer. If your mission is to depopulate a server when the server is at its lowest player count and you refuse to do anything else including playing the game normally you do not contribute anything and are a parasite
teepeepee wrote:BeeSting12 wrote:I also don't feel like there should be a hard number where murderboning is/isn't allowed because then we'd get rules lawyers saying, "well, there were 31 players on the server and the lowpop threshold is 30 so I didn't break any rules."
it's not retarded because there would be "rules lawyering", it's retarded because admins are shitheads that will bend the meaning of any such rule to include " well it was 31 so it still counts"
just remove rule 4 if you have an issue with this, why is there a rule that contradicts your plan for the game so much but you refuse to change it?
you're just tricking people telling them they can do whatever as antag except when they are "murderboning" on "lowpop"
what happens with people that play on a low activity timezone? is playing the game like they would in highpop forbidden for them? is this another retarded non-issue only admins and crybaby players see?
Eskjjlj wrote:Karp wrote:there are a train of people who do this eskjjlj and trust me none of them have been punished until the 20th-30th time they've done this where they suicide as a nonantag and attempt to depopulate the station by permanently removing people and spam recall the shuttle during lowpop when there are like 30 crewmembers, and while this moreso is something that occured in the past I still think its cancer. If your mission is to depopulate a server when the server is at its lowest player count and you refuse to do anything else including playing the game normally you do not contribute anything and are a parasite
In that case get a headmin to answer to this post viewtopic.php?f=33&t=22704 and ban the offender for antag rolling. Not for depopulating the station.
Eskjjlj wrote:Karp wrote:Watching server pop counts drop by 10-30 players during those periods because of a single shithead murderboning is lame and I will ban you if your play as an antag is to grief as hard as possible when people can't retaliate and to leave the server when caught/not an antag
Look at this admin making up rules. Reminds me of something I wrote earlier.
Malkraz wrote:Punishing antags for being antags just because you don't like the way they did it is fucking retarded. Just code it to automatically spawn an ERT when x% of the station is dead after y minutes (which I've been suggesting for months) and you've solved your autistic problem.
Malkraz wrote:Punishing antags for being antags just because you don't like the way they did it is fucking retarded. Just code it to automatically spawn an ERT when x% of the station is dead after y minutes (which I've been suggesting for months) and you've solved your autistic problem.
Karp wrote:teepeepee wrote:BeeSting12 wrote:I also don't feel like there should be a hard number where murderboning is/isn't allowed because then we'd get rules lawyers saying, "well, there were 31 players on the server and the lowpop threshold is 30 so I didn't break any rules."
it's not retarded because there would be "rules lawyering", it's retarded because admins are shitheads that will bend the meaning of any such rule to include " well it was 31 so it still counts"
just remove rule 4 if you have an issue with this, why is there a rule that contradicts your plan for the game so much but you refuse to change it?
you're just tricking people telling them they can do whatever as antag except when they are "murderboning" on "lowpop"
what happens with people that play on a low activity timezone? is playing the game like they would in highpop forbidden for them? is this another retarded non-issue only admins and crybaby players see?
MortoSasye wrote: low pop murderboning is frowned upon.
Malkraz wrote:I'm not talking about the antag rolling, and the shit you mentioned is solved with an ERT and shuttle auto-call. There's 0 reason to punish when you can instead just tailor the game to resolve the situation on its own.
This is the kind of shit regular game developers have to find solutions to all the time and it annoys me when this lazy "just tell them not to lmfao" is always brought up.
BeeSting12 wrote:I wouldn't deal with it in an IC manner satisfying for the murderboner because that's what they want. A shuttle call set to a shorter time is a good way to deal with it ICly. Not satisfying for the murderboner and if he recalls then that gives you an excuse to spawn a hundred spiders on him or something.
I also don't feel like there should be a hard number where murderboning is/isn't allowed because then we'd get rules lawyers saying, "well, there were 31 players on the server and the lowpop threshold is 30 so I didn't break any rules."
It should be dealt with by warning the guy, giving him a three month expiration note, and leaving it at that. Three months is long enough to see that he changed, and I wouldn't even consider it a punishment since the note expires.
teepeepee wrote:Spoiler:
Karp wrote:rule 4 and murderboning are fine but the objective issue comes when it's done explicitly to be a dick to an unruly degree. If you only play when you get an antagonist roll, if you constantly spam recall the shuttle when you've killed off most the station, and/or if you exclusively focus on going for a highscore to try to lower server popcounts as hard as you can is where the line tends to be drawn on rule 1 violations of murderboning from what I've seen from nearly every policy discussion or admin discussion on the topic. If someone's willing to call the shuttle or they try to do it in a funny way nobody would give a shit and it wouldn't be an issue.
The rules wrote:4. Lone antagonists can do whatever they want.
Short of metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.
Malkraz wrote:You'd be fucking amazed the shit I've seen over hundreds of hours where people go an entire half hour completely unaware there's even an antagonist. It's no wonder murderbones are even possible when a large portion of the playerbase simply has no sense of what's going on outside a 9 tile radius. If people really want to be babies about a mean ol' player making them transparent during lowpop because they couldn't look at chat for 3 seconds to see the AI filling it with 42 point text then you should just turn Extended into a vote already so people can do that if they want to.
cedarbridge wrote:Man repeatedly tells admins "I've never seen it so it don't real" until blue in the face.
cedarbridge wrote:I'm good at forum posts and trimmed off your "you're not going to get empty servers unless" line where you seem to be having trouble understanding that the instance we're discussing /does/ empty servers and would still do so even if there were an ERT potentially sent. Either you're too new to know or just don't play during lowpop hours to know what you're talking about.
cedarbridge wrote:That you can't understand why rewarding a player for silently and systematically depopulating the server is bad speaks probably to your preferred playstyle more than anything
cedarbridge wrote:Next you'll say "well, if they try to game the automated system then admins can just step in and do it manually"
cedarbridge wrote:As I said before, the last time somebody was banned for this (to my knowledge) was 2016 and they were a persistent and chronic case. Servers /did/ empty out for the better part of 1-2 hours every time the guy rolled antag because they'd do it when no admins were on to tell them not to.
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