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Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:53 pm
by BeeSting12
It's not actually about rule 4. I'm a big supporter of rule 4 and hate seeing it infringed on, but I see this as something that gives one player enjoyment at the cost of the whole server. Lowpop murderboning isn't a crime, needlessly extending the round while everyone's dead is. It's not a big issue as long as the player calls the shuttle instead of leaving it uncalled and needlessly extending the round to increase his K/D.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:39 pm
by cedarbridge
BeeSting12 wrote:It's not actually about rule 4. I'm a big supporter of rule 4 and hate seeing it infringed on, but I see this as something that gives one player enjoyment at the cost of the whole server. Lowpop murderboning isn't a crime, needlessly extending the round while everyone's dead is. It's not a big issue as long as the player calls the shuttle instead of leaving it uncalled and needlessly extending the round to increase his K/D.

The reason Rule 4 gets invoked is because it is viewed as an all-cases-inclusive "No Rules" pass. Until that perception is changed, people will assume it applies to this as well.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:42 pm
by Stickymayhem
cedarbridge wrote:
BeeSting12 wrote:It's not actually about rule 4. I'm a big supporter of rule 4 and hate seeing it infringed on, but I see this as something that gives one player enjoyment at the cost of the whole server. Lowpop murderboning isn't a crime, needlessly extending the round while everyone's dead is. It's not a big issue as long as the player calls the shuttle instead of leaving it uncalled and needlessly extending the round to increase his K/D.

The reason Rule 4 gets invoked is because it is viewed as an all-cases-inclusive "No Rules" pass. Until that perception is changed, people will assume it applies to this as well.


But that's what it should be (outside of meta-rules like bugs/ERP/metacomms etc). Free antags are a defining trait of /tg/station and one of the things that make the server great.

Antagonists are literally the bad guys and should be making everyone else mad and dead.

Deal with it IC.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:17 pm
by Takeguru
I hate to agree with Sticky but he put it better than I did

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:59 pm
by cedarbridge
Stickymayhem wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
BeeSting12 wrote:It's not actually about rule 4. I'm a big supporter of rule 4 and hate seeing it infringed on, but I see this as something that gives one player enjoyment at the cost of the whole server. Lowpop murderboning isn't a crime, needlessly extending the round while everyone's dead is. It's not a big issue as long as the player calls the shuttle instead of leaving it uncalled and needlessly extending the round to increase his K/D.

The reason Rule 4 gets invoked is because it is viewed as an all-cases-inclusive "No Rules" pass. Until that perception is changed, people will assume it applies to this as well.


But that's what it should be (outside of meta-rules like bugs/ERP/metacomms etc). Free antags are a defining trait of /tg/station and one of the things that make the server great.

Antagonists are literally the bad guys and should be making everyone else mad and dead.

Deal with it IC.

Which is why, as already discussed, we ended up with entirely empty servers as everyone already dead just moved to the other server while Traitor McDick recalled the shuttle for the Nth time. You've been around long enough to know that it happened and know why it was a problem. This continues to be a thing and happens typically when there isn't an admin around to intervene in some way. At some point things have to give because nothing about that scenario "makes the server great."

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:03 pm
by Xeroxemnas
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Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:44 am
by NoxVS
So overall it seems like the problem isn't low pop murderboning but delaying the round by spam recalling and ensuring the shuttle isn't called, a completely different issue.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:47 am
by Malkraz
Yes there's 2 different arguments going on
People directly responding to Morto who said murderboning itself is a problem
Karp and Cedarbridge responding to people by saying "no, murderbone with delaying is bad tho", which isn't the topic

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:55 pm
by cedarbridge
Malkraz wrote:Yes there's 2 different arguments going on
People directly responding to Morto who said murderboning itself is a problem
Karp and Cedarbridge responding to people by saying "no, murderbone with delaying is bad tho", which isn't the topic

A distinction without a difference: one is a product of the other. We don't ban people for recalling the shuttle "needlessly" if they haven't already systematically genocided the station first.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:08 pm
by Stickymayhem
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:27 pm
by BeeSting12
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:06 pm
by Stickymayhem
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:22 pm
by confused rock
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Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:10 pm
by PKPenguin321
cedarbridge wrote:
Malkraz wrote:Yes there's 2 different arguments going on
People directly responding to Morto who said murderboning itself is a problem
Karp and Cedarbridge responding to people by saying "no, murderbone with delaying is bad tho", which isn't the topic

A distinction without a difference: one is a product of the other. We don't ban people for recalling the shuttle "needlessly" if they haven't already systematically genocided the station first.

Untrue, delaying clearly doomed rounds by recalling incessantly can warrant a bwoink

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:03 am
by Arianya
In fact we have a specific precedent on the rules page telling you that the admins may fuck with you mercilessly for repeated recalling

Admins have intervened before and will do so again in situations where a player regardless of antag status has repeatedly delayed round-end by recalling the shuttle when most other players are dead or want to leave.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:02 pm
by Qbmax32
I have outed the names and locations of antags to the crew when they hide in maintenance with a hidden console recalling like little bitches

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:39 pm
by terranaut
did you try just killing the antag lol

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:43 am
by tinodrima7020
terranaut wrote:did you try just killing the antag lol

Kill this!
*unzips instastun weaponry and activates adrenals*

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:42 am
by Skillywatt
tinodrima7020 wrote:
terranaut wrote:did you try just killing the antag lol

Kill this!
*unzips instastun weaponry and activates adrenals*

nothin personnel, kid

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:10 pm
by Naloac
tinodrima7020 wrote:
terranaut wrote:did you try just killing the antag lol

Kill this!
*unzips instastun weaponry and activates adrenals*



*adrenals, low pop*

From what im reading it doesnt seem to be a problem with murder boning but with mass recalling the shuttle over and over. Which is a different issue. Rule 4 is also one of the great things about TG. Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag. Just because one shitter is mass recalling doesnt seem to be a good enough reason to change a rule which makes TG stand out from other servers. only my opinion though.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:14 pm
by cedarbridge
Naloac wrote:Rule 4 is also one of the great things about TG. Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag.

Apparently servers without this rule don't have antags. The more you know.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:42 am
by Eskjjlj
cedarbridge wrote:
Naloac wrote:Rule 4 is also one of the great things about TG. Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag.

Apparently servers without this rule don't have antags. The more you know.

Oh yes Paradise, Yogstation and Citadel have antags but no rule like our rule 4.
If someone is tired of playing on tg they should play on those servers instead for a more peaceful gaming experience.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:21 am
by imsxz
beestation has a no murderboning rule too and it’s basically discount TG

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:46 pm
by Whoneedspacee
If you ruin the freedom that comes with being an antag and fighting someone who is an antag, I'll probably just not play here anymore.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:17 am
by Naloac
cedarbridge wrote:
Naloac wrote:Rule 4 is also one of the great things about TG. Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag.

Apparently servers without this rule don't have antags. The more you know.


Thats not what I said but okie. TG allows antags to be free to do whatever. Seems like you care less about the actual topic and rather you just dislike rule 4 in general which again is a different topic.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:29 am
by PKPenguin321
cedarbridge wrote:
Naloac wrote:Rule 4 is also one of the great things about TG. Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag.

Apparently servers without this rule don't have antags. The more you know.

worst post of the thread

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:28 pm
by confused rock
I disagree pk, I think
Whoneedspacee wrote:If you ruin the freedom that comes with being an antag and fighting someone who is an antag, I'll probably just not play here anymore.

Is much worse. Ultimatums are bad enough in a relationship, but “dont do this or i wont play” is a pathetic reason to argue something.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:06 pm
by cedarbridge
Naloac wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Naloac wrote:Rule 4 is also one of the great things about TG. Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag.

Apparently servers without this rule don't have antags. The more you know.


Thats not what I said but okie. TG allows antags to be free to do whatever. Seems like you care less about the actual topic and rather you just dislike rule 4 in general which again is a different topic.

"Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag"

If they somehow have antags that are not antags then what in the hell do words even mean anymore.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:23 pm
by imsxz
cedarbridge wrote:
Naloac wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Naloac wrote:Rule 4 is also one of the great things about TG. Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag.

Apparently servers without this rule don't have antags. The more you know.


Thats not what I said but okie. TG allows antags to be free to do whatever. Seems like you care less about the actual topic and rather you just dislike rule 4 in general which again is a different topic.

"Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag"

If they somehow have antags that are not antags then what in the hell do words even mean anymore.


para antags follow all the normal rules, and only get exceptions for carrying out their objectives specifically. (no, killing in self defense doesn't count as towards your objective)

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:43 pm
by cedarbridge
imsxz wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Naloac wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Naloac wrote:Rule 4 is also one of the great things about TG. Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag.

Apparently servers without this rule don't have antags. The more you know.


Thats not what I said but okie. TG allows antags to be free to do whatever. Seems like you care less about the actual topic and rather you just dislike rule 4 in general which again is a different topic.

"Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag"

If they somehow have antags that are not antags then what in the hell do words even mean anymore.


para antags follow all the normal rules, and only get exceptions for carrying out their objectives specifically. (no, killing in self defense doesn't count as towards your objective)

Para also bans people for dying the wrong way so that's hardly an administration you'll convince me to support.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:01 pm
by Shadowflame909
Para is straight retarded as well.

"NO, YOU CAN'T KILL THE ENTIRE SEC TEAM WITH A DEATH ALARM THAT BLARES OUT THEIR LOCATION OF DEATH, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE STUN BATONNING YOU AND TASING YOU. SUCK IT ANTAG"

It's actually valid hunter heaven.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:57 pm
by imsxz
cedarbridge wrote:
imsxz wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Naloac wrote:
cedarbridge wrote:
Naloac wrote:Rule 4 is also one of the great things about TG. Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag.

Apparently servers without this rule don't have antags. The more you know.


Thats not what I said but okie. TG allows antags to be free to do whatever. Seems like you care less about the actual topic and rather you just dislike rule 4 in general which again is a different topic.

"Allowing an antag to actually ya know be an antag"

If they somehow have antags that are not antags then what in the hell do words even mean anymore.


para antags follow all the normal rules, and only get exceptions for carrying out their objectives specifically. (no, killing in self defense doesn't count as towards your objective)

Para also bans people for dying the wrong way so that's hardly an administration you'll convince me to support.


im not convincing you to support them you asked how they can have antags that arent allowed to antag

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:12 am
by FloranOtten
Like every time this comes up, the answer is Code. If you can murderbone with naught but a toolbox and your smile, you should be allowed to. Make it HARD to murderbone. Currently, a large part of the traitor arsenal is good for murderboning. Remove them. Add more stealthy options that require effort to kill people with, instead of just radio jammer esword stunprod.

Re: Low pop murderboning

PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:34 am
by oranges
the answer is not code, go back to tgmc