Should nervere rule on wilchens ban

[oranges]

Bottom post of the previous page:

So, nervere and wilchen are friends (indisputably so)

given the nature of the ban, wouldn't it be the best possible case to hand the ban over to another headadmin to rule on?

Do I think that nervere would let that impact the outcome of the appeal? No

Does it cost anything to hand it over to another headadmin and avoid forever casting doubt on the outcome? No

Given that one outcome is zero cost, and the other could taint a ban appeal that is already going to be combative given the depth of feeling about that player, why not do it?

[wesoda25]

imsxz I think its the fact that the appeal process seems staged that has people worried. Nerv gets shezza admin on bee, then in turn this is used as evidence that shezza is a good player.... That and the fact that they are known to be friends is sus in general and it loops back to the argument of “whats the harm in passing the baton to other headmins”. If nerv were to handle it and unban shezza alone, the validity would constantly be called into question and I don’t doubt it’d result in shezza being permad again somewhere down the line. Having Hulk and Wubli (the former of which I can’t believe holds a grudge, and the latter who I doubt would let a grudge, if they have one, interfere) benefits not only Nerv, but Shezza as well.

[tinodrima7020]

S H E Z Z A G A T E

[Nabski]

An uninterested party would require more effort, but there would be no doubt of neutrality.

Spoiler:

I found this cool rock.

[wubli]

I reiterate that considering Shezza's past that this should not be about the singular ban but about their entire time at their community. That is how we deal with other players and so it is how shezza should be dealt with instead of being given special treatment by Nervere.

then the ban should be a new one
don't consider this my ruling on this but in general: why would i make a ban that could be lifted stick just because the player isn't good for the community? why wouldn't i, instead, ban them for that reason? using an unrelated ban to remove someone forever is cowardly

the ban will be discussed between the three of us but i beg of you that you think clearly before crying because someone was kept banned or was unbanned. what we will discuss about is the ban being appealed. if someone has to be removed from the community then it will be discussed separately.

and if it works for you: i am not wilchen's fan either. we are nowhere being friends and it is not someone i'm interested in developing a friendship with. if anything, you could say i am biased against them, but i definitely will not let that affect the way i handle this appeal. i'm not here to discuss whether or not they should be removed forever from the community because that's not the ban being appealed kthx

Shezza sent me a bunch of messages telling me to kill myself

you should report this if true

[Rustledjimm]

I understand your points wubli. Though by unbanning someone you are letting them back into the community and that aspect should be discussed, it is not an entirely separate discussion. If it's found the ban is unworthy but the person does not deserve to be let back into the community, or should not be let back for the betterment of the community, then I believe they should receive a ban reflecting so.

Also Shezza having sent Crag messages telling them to commit suicide is a very old, well known fact. Probably from before your time wubli.

[wesoda25]

Wubli part of shezzas ban reason talked about them being a shit member of the community. I don’t wanna get off topic, but you seem to be of the opinion that the only thing that should be discussed is the ERP, and yet:

More, you have an extensive history in this community of shittery, stupidity, creepiness, and I\'m putting it to an end. This is a rule 0 ban. Appeal this ban when you can be a part of our servers without being a pile of radioactive waste.

[wubli]

Wubli part of shezzas ban reason talked about them being a shit member of the community. I don’t wanna get off topic, but you seem to be of the opinion that the only thing that should be discussed is the ERP, and yet:

More, you have an extensive history in this community of shittery, stupidity, creepiness, and I\'m putting it to an end. This is a rule 0 ban. Appeal this ban when you can be a part of our servers without being a pile of radioactive waste.

oopsie whoopsie uwu it seems finals have finally made me senile
i'll handle this properly when i'm not vomiting blood and dating anime boys to keep myself from dying

[Super Aggro Crag]

An uninterested party would require more effort, but there would be no doubt of neutrality.

Spoiler:

I found this cool rock.

gneiss pic dude

[Hulkamania]

I fully trust Nervere to rule on something impartially like this ban. My personal RECOMMENDATION is that he pass it off to one of the other headmins, just to keep things transparent and to ease doubts that people may have about it. However, this is a decision I mostly see as affecting him and his own reputation and I leave it in his hands as to what direction he wants to go with that decision as a whole.

[Nabski]

An uninterested party would require more effort, but there would be no doubt of neutrality.

Spoiler:

I found this cool rock.

gneiss pic dude

Thanks, it's actually Paleozoic Limestone, with Vertical Stylolites. It's a rather rare find, in the top 10 of my collection.

[bobbahbrown]

make an in-game poll to unban shezza its the only fair option power to the proletariat

[Nervere]

I value the trust the community has in me far more than my pride so we’ll rule on this together as headmins.
Sorry for the drama, I was being dumb about this and needed to sleep on it to get a clear head.

[imsxz]

[oranges]

ok, thanks! I appreciate it

[Nilons]

also the irony in the fact that nervere casts doubt on a previous headmins ability to impartially post regarding a person they dislike while simultaneously asserting that he is capable of being impartial about a person he does like (without an actual argument for either side) is rich

[Super Aggro Crag]

[Nabski]

also the irony in the fact that nervere casts doubt on a previous headmins ability to impartially post regarding a person they dislike while simultaneously asserting that he is capable of being impartial about a person he does like (without an actual argument for either side) is rich

Obviously if you have any feelings towards a person, you shouldn't be involved in it, right?

I feel like he clearly stated this at some point.

[PKPenguin321]

Crag I want you to know that you are loved and that that cunt DMing you is a miserable waste of biomass (look at all that projecting they're doing too, yikes ?)

To stay on topic with the thread, nervere should rule on this ban if and only if he intends to deny it immediately and preferably extend it indefinitely

[Hulkamania]

This has been resolved, Nervere has agreed to allow the other headmins to weigh in on the appeal in question and I'll be locking this.