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Early Launching

Postby ATHATH » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:56 am #500161

We should ban anyone who (successfully) early launches the shuttle (from the station to Centcomm; the thing that requires you to swipe three head IDs (or use an emag) to do) in a situation that doesn't warrant it from all head roles for a day.

Reasons that would warrant an early launch:
[*]cult
[*]singulo is loose
[*]maybe aliens if they've REALLY gotten out of hand...)
[*]the server is being lagged to a point of unplayability and EVERYONE just wants the pain to STOP
[*]you're an antag
[*]an active murderboner is on the loose
[*]etc.

Reasons that would NOT warrant an early launch (on their own; they don't stop other reasons from being valid ones to early launch):
[*]traitors, changelings, and/or blood brothers exist
[*]the AI is subverted, but they have no active borgs left
[*]a singularity got loose at some point, but drifted far away into space somewhere or was otherwise dealt with 30 minutes ago and is no longer a threat
[*]someone screamed out over comms that you shouldn't early launch, and you want to early launch just to spite them because you have the sense of humor of a three year old
[*]keeping antags from greentexting, even if it means marooning half of the crew
[*]you like to listen to people salt about early launches
[*]"I wanna go home"
[*]literally no reason
[*]etc.

People who launch the escape shuttle early without a good reason are SCUM and even a dayban from all command roles might be too light of a punishment for them, change my mind.



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Re: Early Launching

Postby Malkraz » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:01 am #500162

we do
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Re: Early Launching

Postby ATHATH » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:01 am #500163

Malkraz wrote:we do

But we almost never enforce that rule, and we really, really should (enforce that rule more).

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Re: Early Launching

Postby Malkraz » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:03 am #500164

then change the title to "make admins enforce the rules"
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Re: Early Launching

Postby Fatal » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:04 am #500165

I enforce this rule plenty and I know other admins do, this is honestly pointless

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Re: Early Launching

Postby Malkraz » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:09 am #500166

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Re: Early Launching

Postby Coconutwarrior97 » Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:35 am #500169

I warned someone for this today. This is a non-issue.

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Re: Early Launching

Postby elyina » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:02 am #500176

Early launching will end the round faster which will allow you another chance to roll for antag faster, thus increasing the amount of spacemen that you turn horizontal per hour. It's called gamer strategy.
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Re: Early Launching

Postby Anuv » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:12 pm #500181

The problem with this is the risk of punishment clearly doesn't outweigh the potential gains (become traitor next round 3 minutes faster). Plus there's absolutely no downside to doing it when no admins are online.
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Re: Early Launching

Postby oranges » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:23 am #500313

I think the disconnect is that most people play with no admin coverage, so even though admins enforce it, it's happening.
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Re: Early Launching

Postby Gigapuddi420 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:17 am #500316

I've seen people getting warned about this in the past, naturally if there is no admin online then not a whole lot can be done about it. If you see it and think there is no reason for a early launch you could always try ahelping it. That said, if there's a credible threat then you're just shit out of luck.
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Re: Early Launching

Postby wesoda25 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:35 am #500318

Move this to code suggestions since we already ban for it, so the only thing that could result out of this thread would be a new PR.
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Re: Early Launching

Postby ATHATH » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:21 am #500345

Could we make people who early launch the shuttle for no good reason officially valid (as in, murderable without other provocation by non-antags)? Are they already valid?

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Re: Early Launching

Postby terranaut » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:08 am #500355

ATHATH wrote:Could we make people who early launch the shuttle for no good reason officially valid (as in, murderable without other provocation by non-antags)? Are they already valid?

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Re: Early Launching

Postby Karp » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:26 am #500361

I wouldn't really care if someone got killed over that personally but it's up to the headmins to draw the line
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Re: Early Launching

Postby Anuv » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:17 am #500380

ATHATH wrote:Could we make people who early launch the shuttle for no good reason officially valid (as in, murderable without other provocation by non-antags)? Are they already valid?


Buying shitty shuttles is already "valid" but I've never seen anyone actually get lynched for it, even an assistant who stole AA
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Re: Early Launching

Postby teepeepee » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:13 pm #500479

Anuv wrote:
ATHATH wrote:Could we make people who early launch the shuttle for no good reason officially valid (as in, murderable without other provocation by non-antags)? Are they already valid?


Buying shitty shuttles is already "valid" but I've never seen anyone actually get lynched for it, even an assistant who stole AA

look harder then, everytime someone does this on bagil a swarm of 10 people, including security officers, gang up on the captain/whoever did it
god forbid you try to protect them, you're now valid too

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Re: Early Launching

Postby cedarbridge » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:24 pm #500623

oranges wrote:I think the disconnect is that most people play with no admin coverage, so even though admins enforce it, it's happening.

We also don't make public loudspeaker announcements every time we note or ban somebody. So this gets notes and bans when it happens. Players just see other players doing the thing and not instantly exploding into gibs and presume that nothing is happening.

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Re: Early Launching

Postby Arianya » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:42 pm #500634

Also I'm going to say that asking for it to be "officially valid" is kinda weird - if someone does something like launch the shuttle early nearly leaving you on station/actually leaving your colleagues on station/etc for no good reason then I feel like it's pretty intuitive that you might be mad at them and kick their ass? Not everything needs to be a black/white "valid or not" thing.
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Re: Early Launching

Postby terranaut » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:46 am #500747

unless youre an antag and having your greentext ruined by an early launch why do you honestly care about being left behind
i've never understood this obsession, i cant wrap my head around it at all
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Re: Early Launching

Postby confused rock » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:06 pm #500804

unless youre an antag and your greentext will be ruined if you don't immediately launch the shuttle why do you honestly care about early launching it
i've never understood this obsession, i cant wrap my head around it at all
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Re: Early Launching

Postby Mickyan » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:17 pm #500806

Why does this only deserve a warning anyway, being left on the station is functionally the same as being dead and we don't excuse BoH bombing the shuttle just because the round is about to end, why is this different

This should warrant a job ban at the very least
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Re: Early Launching

Postby terranaut » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:22 pm #500808

confused rock wrote:unless youre an antag and your greentext will be ruined if you don't immediately launch the shuttle why do you honestly care about early launching it
i've never understood this obsession, i cant wrap my head around it at all


pretty bad post
personally i only early launch during nuke or when there's a ton of xenos
but most of the time when i enter the shuttle i just tab out and wait for the lobby music to start if im not shitposting in ooc
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Re: Early Launching

Postby NikNakFlak » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:36 pm #500819

so what you are saying is, you never tab out?
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Re: Early Launching

Postby Fishimun » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:29 pm #500828

Just put a teleporter beacon on the shuttle and early launch???

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Re: Early Launching

Postby terranaut » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:56 pm #500839

NikNakFlak wrote:so what you are saying is, you never tab out?

This isn't the cuckshed bucko, prepare for your admin complaint
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Re: Early Launching

Postby NecromancerAnne » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:13 pm #500841

I've been enforcing this rule every time. Not really sure what you want from this ATHATH, it's literally already a reality as far as I can tell. It's just that you're likely not aware of it because it's handled so close to round end. Admins aren't just going to announce 'yeah we banned that guy big epic' every time it happened. It might not even BE a ban if it isn't a repeat offense. Sometimes the guy is lynched and it's handled IC.

Context matters?

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Re: Early Launching

Postby Qbmax32 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:15 pm #500842

I warn people for this all the time
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Re: Early Launching

Postby Cobby » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:34 am #500883

I just had to warn someone for this today (well 2 people).

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Re: Early Launching

Postby wubli » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:09 am #510237

This is already enforced, unless there's no one around, or they haven't noticed. We encourage you to ahelp it if you see it, because yes, it's extremely in bad faith to early launch because unga my antag roll faster.
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