Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

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Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby FloranOtten » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:18 pm #502752

It's far more. You're going to be stuck there for far longer then a regular brig sentence. You're likely to die. Why are we allowing shitsec to just dump you off to a planet you're most likely not returning from?
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby wesoda25 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:21 pm #502753

500 points takes less than 5 minutes. If you actually put in the work it’s usually far lesser than any other sentence you’d be getting. I don’t really use it as sec, but I can acknowledge that its very effective for dealing with shitters.
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Gigapuddi420 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:55 pm #502756

I have to agree with wesoda on this one. If you don't mess about deciding to put criminals into the gulag properly, they can work off their sentence pretty quickly assuming they are prepared to do the work and not just piss their pants and break the machines. It also provided security a nice way to dump shitters who aren't interested in engaging with the round. A lot of tiders just ghost instead of just getting their internals on and bashing some rocks. Chads just escape.

I don't like seeing big gulag sentences on small crimes, but I'm fine with 100 points = 1 minute rate.
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Dr_bee » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:19 pm #502767

You get money for finishing your gulag work now. Why are you complaining?

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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Arianya » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:56 pm #502770

"You're likely to die" to what? There's no mobs, no chasms. I mean, I suppose you're "likely to die" if you stand in the ash storm but otherwise I don't see it.
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Taylork2 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:15 pm #503005

I mean, even if the Security gives you a ridiculous goal of 10000+ points then yeah maybe, but at point some Miners can take pity on you or you might even be able to break out on your own given it's not a definite death sentence to cross a single tile of lava(plus ways to get around it.)
Most of the time I see prisoners crossing they don't try to ask for help before running over three tiles of lava to get to a spot on the other side no one can get to, while I get to watch them burn to death for a few seconds.

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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Shaps-cloud » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:29 pm #503009

If people stopped being stupid and spending 15 minutes ahelping and staring at a wall over a 300 point sentence it wouldn't be a problem
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby WarbossLincoln » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:33 pm #503014

The whole reason we have a gulag, and the teleporter to encourage its use, is to make it so shitters can't afk in a prison cell until they're let out to immediately start tiding again. It's supposed to be annoying. Ahelp it if they give you a ridiculous amount of points compared to your crime. You aren't likely to die at the gulag unless you run into lava or stand in the storms.
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Postby Cobby » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:42 pm #503048

Is this a code suggestion veiled as a policy thread? I can't see a reason other than mineral balance to complain about the feature.
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Recurracy » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:48 am #503055

shitters belong in the gulag and not on the station or anywhere else

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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby angelstarri » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:19 am #503057

just don't get caught retard
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Dax Dupont » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:44 am #503074

Taylork2 wrote:I mean, even if the Security gives you a ridiculous goal of 10000+ .


There's a 1000 point cap on the teleporter.

Also me and beesting have put people in the gulag with like 5 points and they still suicided or ahelped.

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Postby Nilons » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:41 pm #503088

Kick rocks buddy gulags fine
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Dr_bee » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:31 pm #503099

Dax Dupont wrote:Also me and beesting have put people in the gulag with like 5 points and they still suicided or ahelped.


I got to try this as warden sometime. Sounds fucking hilarious.

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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Darkgenerallord » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:38 pm #503110

The gulag is really safe, and really easy to mine out of. If anything, it should be worth less than a normal brig sentence.

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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Ayy Lemoh » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:45 pm #503117

"yeah guys the one minute brig sentence of 100 points is fine for gulag. as long as they actually do i- hey, what's that noise?"
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"nah, just ignore that. btw 200 points for 1 minute ratio when?"

Gulag sentences can be fine however it'd be ridiculous to think that it's equally fair. Normal brig sentences, if done properly like how a gulag sentence can be done properly, don't have the random chance to suddenly increase your timer for no reason.

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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby NoxVS » Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:21 am #503154

Gigapuddi420 wrote:I'm fine with 100 points = 1 minute rate.


The limit for gulag sentences is 1000 points. Because you cant ahelp for anything thats 10 minutes or lower you are unable to ever ahelp a gulag sentence.
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Anonmare » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:00 am #503156

Literally mine send. It takes like 5 minutes to get enough for a 1000 point sentence.

If you're getting gulallaged without a prisoner I'D to redeem points then ahelp. Otherwise just hike up your skirt grit your teeth and think of England. People are big babies about gulag.
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:24 pm #503175

The part I hate about the gulag is that you never ever get your belongings back since it lacks a personal belongings locker like regular cells
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Shadowflame909 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:25 pm #503177

Anonmare wrote:Literally mine send. It takes like 5 minutes to get enough for a 1000 point sentence.

If you're getting gulallaged without a prisoner I'D to redeem points then ahelp. Otherwise just hike up your skirt grit your teeth and think of England. People are big babies about gulag.


Bro have you ever been gulagged with prison shoe cuffs.

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Postby NoxVS » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:25 pm #503179

PKPenguin321 wrote:The part I hate about the gulag is that you never ever get your belongings back since it lacks a personal belongings locker like regular cells

The problem is no one in security fucking knows how the gulag works and they just ignore you if you try to explain it to them. The machine takes your stuff when you get sent down and then once you finish your sentence you can retrieve it at the console right outside the shuttle on the station
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Postby Yakumo_Chen » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:03 am #503229

You literally can get your stuff back by yourself though. The only interaction security should have with gulag exiters is taking the ID and supplies so the gulag can actually be used again (and not escaped immediately by just leaving the ID in the shuttle crate)

I reserve gulag for shitters and greytide who make a point to grief or harass security. It's pretty effective and I almost never get in trouble for doing it unless I gulag'd someone wrongly due to information I didn't have available / the prisoner lied and made me assume they did something
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby angelstarri » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:09 am #503231

Yakumo_Chen wrote:You literally can get your stuff back by yourself though. The only interaction security should have with gulag exiters is taking the ID and supplies so the gulag can actually be used again (and not escaped immediately by just leaving the ID in the shuttle crate)

I reserve gulag for shitters and greytide who make a point to grief or harass security. It's pretty effective and I almost never get in trouble for doing it unless I gulag'd someone wrongly due to information I didn't have available / the prisoner lied and made me assume they did something


they are referring to cringe EU event hall players that take prisoner's gear off before putting them in the gulag machine
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Yakumo_Chen » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:43 am #503232

Event hall as I was aware is for new players who don't know what they're doing anyway
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Anuv » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:54 am #503263

PKPenguin321 wrote:The part I hate about the gulag is that you never ever get your belongings back since it lacks a personal belongings locker like regular cells


You realize you get everything back using the wall console right outside the labor shuttle in the tiny hallway right
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:05 pm #503279

Anuv wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:The part I hate about the gulag is that you never ever get your belongings back since it lacks a personal belongings locker like regular cells


You realize you get everything back using the wall console right outside the labor shuttle in the tiny hallway right

Imagine somehow missing all the posts above you about how hardly any sec officers seem to understand it does that and strip people down to skivvies and prison jumpsuit before they gulag.
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Postby tinodrima7020 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:48 pm #503282

angelstarri wrote:
Yakumo_Chen wrote:You literally can get your stuff back by yourself though. The only interaction security should have with gulag exiters is taking the ID and supplies so the gulag can actually be used again (and not escaped immediately by just leaving the ID in the shuttle crate)

I reserve gulag for shitters and greytide who make a point to grief or harass security. It's pretty effective and I almost never get in trouble for doing it unless I gulag'd someone wrongly due to information I didn't have available / the prisoner lied and made me assume they did something


they are referring to cringe EU event hall players that take prisoner's gear off before putting them in the gulag machine

Except every sec officer does this.
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby NoxVS » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:11 pm #503287

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angelstarri wrote:
Yakumo_Chen wrote:You literally can get your stuff back by yourself though. The only interaction security should have with gulag exiters is taking the ID and supplies so the gulag can actually be used again (and not escaped immediately by just leaving the ID in the shuttle crate)

I reserve gulag for shitters and greytide who make a point to grief or harass security. It's pretty effective and I almost never get in trouble for doing it unless I gulag'd someone wrongly due to information I didn't have available / the prisoner lied and made me assume they did something


they are referring to cringe EU event hall players that take prisoner's gear off before putting them in the gulag machine

Except every sec officer does this.

I see it happen on Sybil too. I often have to tell them how to gulag me and they usually ignore me entirely in which case I have to dodge them through the brig while cuffed in the hopes I can find a competent officer to gulag correctly.
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Postby Shadowflame909 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:38 pm #503288

What do we do to not lose all our gear when we get gulagged and see an assistant running around with your clown horn.

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Postby Super Aggro Crag » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:59 pm #503293

Stop breakin' the law, asshole.
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Postby BeeSting12 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:49 pm #503298

Dax Dupont wrote:Also me and beesting have put people in the gulag with like 5 points and they still suicided or ahelped.

its like an execution but they have no right to complain because they did it to themselves :^)

but yeah gulag is usually shorter than a 10 minute brig sentence so im not sure why yall want to complain about it. it doesnt take long to mine up some sand. ive found if i spend more time mining and less time arguing with the admins online, the sentence is completed faster.
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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby elyina » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:09 pm #503303

Gulag is a great retard filter. If you die often there, it's working as intended.
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Postby deedubya » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:29 am #503378

I gulag repeat offenders very often when playing as Warden. If you're going to be doing nothing other than shitting up the round for everyone on a constant basis, then you're better off being shipped off somewhere where you're actually contributing to the station(or breaking out, pick one)

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Re: Gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence.

Postby wubli » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:18 am #510239

I think we are talking about edge cases here. Space law is a suggestion, and I wouldn't blame a warden that decides to gulag a lot of people when they're having a round full of tiders, but no, essentially, gulagging should not be equivalent to a regular brig sentence, you are right.
We have agreed that gulagging is fine as it is, and anything you can complain about is probably an issue with them as a security player rather than something we can act on. You are free to ahelp if you think the punishment is harsher than it should be, but it's difficult to pinpoint whether or not it's fair without an actual case, which should probably be handled by admins in-game instead of policy.
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