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Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Dax Dupont » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:18 am #502990

This complaint got me thinking:
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While it's not directly related to the complaint at hand, I feel that comms agents shouldn't be allowed to spam comms with the slashfiction of lexia getting blacked.

Here's my arguments as to why:
1. They are relatively hard to eliminate versus someone on the station.
2. WGW and such make you valid to the crew, that's extremely low hanging fruit to get people killed on the station.
3. They're likely to outright get deleted if the admins do see them, wasting a ghost role slot.

I feel like comms agents should be able to get people killed still, but WGW is the wrong way to go. If that keeps happening it's likely headmins might decide that comms agents shouldn't be allowed to get people killed in the near future.



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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby NecromancerAnne » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:38 am #502991

Did you know comms agents have an internal GPS?

Did you know this makes it stupid easy to shoot them with a BSA?

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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:19 pm #502995

NecromancerAnne wrote:Did you know comms agents have an internal GPS?

Did you know this makes it stupid easy to shoot them with a BSA?


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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Dr_bee » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:23 pm #502996

NecromancerAnne wrote:Did you know comms agents have an internal GPS?

Did you know this makes it stupid easy to shoot them with a BSA?


The GPS is in a crate in the storage room. Ive actually shot the comms agent with a BSA for just this reason, it blew up the supply room and part of the chemistry lab, but nothing else.

If the GPS was moved under the self destruct bomb it would be an actual solution, but right now the BSA doesnt do anything to stop the spam.

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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Denton » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:41 pm #503003

Dr_bee wrote:If the GPS was moved under the self destruct bomb it would be an actual solution

That's a good idea, let me PR that.

Edit: Turns out that the voice changer mask contains the GPS signal. That way, the comms agent will eat shit even when he's not on base anymore.
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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Shadowflame909 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:47 pm #503008

I was already pretty sure that admins will delete you or bwoink you if you're saying it from a place that cannot be easily accessed by the crew to punish you. Like in space or lavaland.

If it was solidified as a ruling, that'd be fine.

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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby NamesAreHard » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:18 pm #503017

Admins are pretty much free to do whatever they feel like to you once you start reading WGW, whether you're a comms agent or not.

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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Gigapuddi420 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:08 pm #503019

Dax Dupont wrote:I feel like comms agents should be able to get people killed still, but WGW is the wrong way to go. If that keeps happening it's likely headmins might decide that comms agents shouldn't be allowed to get people killed in the near future.


I would have preferred to be some kind of gentleman's agreement where comm agents didn't use smut to make crew members valid as it's kind of a pain to make a exception on a way they can't trick crew into killing each other. Most of our players don't keep up with the ebb and flow of policy decisions so it's counter-intuitive to tell comm agents they can't use smut to get players killed. That said, using smut to trick the crew into lynching a player is very unsporting as crew like killing people and won't think too hard about how the radio message could be fake once they've gotten that green light. I've already had to warn one non-antag mime for using the ventriloquist dummy to fake someone else reading WGW as it usually leads to death.

The option for comm agents to trick crew into killing one another should still exist. As pointed out half of the role is sewing chaos onto the station so it's just natural for them to do that. I could tolerate a ruling saying comm agents aren't allowed to use smut to make crew members valid to one another. It's messy to have to make policy for something that fits in their role, but it's fair to say WGW is itself a exception and forcing people into that policy exception instead of the intent of allowing players to read smut and make themselves valid goes against the intent of the WGW policy. It's a cheap to force it on someone.

I'm kind of ambivalent about round start antagonists and this though. Traitor with a ventriloquist dummy or voice changer doing this is a bit more fair then some ghost role trying to bait a easy kill. It's still unsporting so I don't know if solo-antag should be included in this if we prevent comm agents from using this tactic.

Whole thing is kind of a grey area for me and I'd rather comm agents didn't do it then actually force a policy on the whole thing. I guess eventually people force the issue.
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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Mickyan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:07 pm #503021

Gonna put my fun police hat on here for a second, maybe the problem isn't with comms agents, maybe the problem is with having a rule 8 exception whose sole purpose is to give the random assistant of the day the attention they so much crave thanks to a meme being overdone and run into the ground for the last decade

Maybe having a trigger sentence that makes someone open to murder in a game that's often about deception and subterfuge is a very bad idea
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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby teepeepee » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:02 pm #503030

I see it as abusing OOC policy of someone being valid for reading WGW to enact IC consequences, something that was intended for self harm only, not for weaponization, so it should be punished

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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Cobby » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:30 pm #503046

Reading WGW is already a potentially bannable offense, I don't see what needs to be changed.
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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Dr_bee » Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:23 am #503054

Denton wrote:
Dr_bee wrote:If the GPS was moved under the self destruct bomb it would be an actual solution

That's a good idea, let me PR that.

Edit: Turns out that the voice changer mask contains the GPS signal. That way, the comms agent will eat shit even when he's not on base anymore.


Huh, so I guess it DID work. Sadly the BSA isnt available every round. fucking hilarious though.

That agent was a thorn in our side for the entire round.

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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby confused rock » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:31 am #503059

"the station can use the result of a rarely completed fucking goal to kill the guy spamming radio at no cost to himself with his second life so it's fair" is weaker than hell
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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:38 am #503063

Mickyan wrote:Gonna put my fun police hat on here for a second, maybe the problem isn't with comms agents, maybe the problem is with having a rule 8 exception whose sole purpose is to give the random assistant of the day the attention they so much crave thanks to a meme being overdone and run into the ground for the last decade

Maybe having a trigger sentence that makes someone open to murder in a game that's often about deception and subterfuge is a very bad idea

People will spam WGW regardless of the "rule 8 exception" we give it
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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby NoxVS » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:58 am #503067

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Mickyan wrote:Gonna put my fun police hat on here for a second, maybe the problem isn't with comms agents, maybe the problem is with having a rule 8 exception whose sole purpose is to give the random assistant of the day the attention they so much crave thanks to a meme being overdone and run into the ground for the last decade

Maybe having a trigger sentence that makes someone open to murder in a game that's often about deception and subterfuge is a very bad idea

People will spam WGW regardless of the "rule 8 exception" we give it

Then just ban for it. It’s a stupid meme that’s been overdone by everyone and only exists to get a reaction
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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:52 pm #503089

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Mickyan wrote:Gonna put my fun police hat on here for a second, maybe the problem isn't with comms agents, maybe the problem is with having a rule 8 exception whose sole purpose is to give the random assistant of the day the attention they so much crave thanks to a meme being overdone and run into the ground for the last decade

Maybe having a trigger sentence that makes someone open to murder in a game that's often about deception and subterfuge is a very bad idea

People will spam WGW regardless of the "rule 8 exception" we give it

Then just ban for it. It’s a stupid meme that’s been overdone by everyone and only exists to get a reaction

We do if they continue to spam it despite mutes or other efforts. Bans for spamming already exist
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Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:33 am #503224

I think he means ban immediately for it like you would for non-meme sexual material?
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Postby deedubya » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:01 am #503382

What sort of orwellian shitstorm did I walk into? Suggesting isntant bans for WGW? Really?
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Postby teepeepee » Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:22 am #503383

deedubya wrote:What sort of orwellian shitstorm did I walk into? Suggesting isntant bans for WGW? Really?

for reading it as a comms agent*
forming a lynch mob weaponizing a headmin ruling and players being bloodthirsty is cheap, unfun and has no counterplay
"it wasn't me who said that, it was a comms agent!" yeah right why should I trust you when I can bash your skull with a toolbox with my free grief ticket
an addendum to the ruling should be added noting you should not use wgw to get someone other than yourself killed

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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Screemonster » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:00 am #503402

could treat it like ERP used to be before it was banned - it didn't make you valid to players but you were 100% valid for admemery and didn't get to complain if they spawned 1000 skeletons on you

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Postby Dax Dupont » Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:48 pm #503452

teepeepee wrote:
deedubya wrote:What sort of orwellian shitstorm did I walk into? Suggesting isntant bans for WGW? Really?

for reading it as a comms agent*
forming a lynch mob weaponizing a headmin ruling and players being bloodthirsty is cheap, unfun and has no counterplay
"it wasn't me who said that, it was a comms agent!" yeah right why should I trust you when I can bash your skull with a toolbox with my free grief ticket
an addendum to the ruling should be added noting you should not use wgw to get someone other than yourself killed


This is exactly my point.

Also spamming wgw already makes you valid for admins, the problem is they can do it and get people lynched fast.
Also we can't really act on it much if it happend a bit ago like earlier in the round.

It's extremely unfun to get lynched because a ghost role just uses a voice changer to get you lynched without any effort whatsoever.

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Postby Jimmius » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:28 pm #503468

deedubya wrote:What sort of orwellian shitstorm did I walk into? Suggesting isntant bans for WGW? Really?

george orwells 1984 is a bleak dystopian view of a future where reading unoriginal memes in video games gets you temporarily banned from that video game for 15 minutes.

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Postby Jimmius » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:16 pm #503472

what does any of that even mean

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Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:34 am #503487

Screemonster wrote:could treat it like ERP used to be before it was banned - it didn't make you valid to players but you were 100% valid for admemery and didn't get to complain if they spawned 1000 skeletons on you

Already the case
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Postby deedubya » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:23 am #503523

I don't really agree that comms agents shouldn't be allowed to read it, but as long as the dumb ruling of "WGW makes you valid" exists, I agree that they shouldn't be allowed to read it with the voice changer. If the comms agent wants to read WGW, they should have to out themselves as a comms agent. Then, if the station wants it to stop, they should have to find and kill the comms agent.

Of course, excessive spam(of anything, not just WGW) should be open to admin intervention. But y'all are taking a vintage meme way too seriously.
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Postby Screemonster » Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:44 am #503526

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Screemonster wrote:could treat it like ERP used to be before it was banned - it didn't make you valid to players but you were 100% valid for admemery and didn't get to complain if they spawned 1000 skeletons on you

Already the case

what I mean is, if people weaponising "doing X makes you valid to other players" is a problem, make X no longer make you valid to other players, but keep it extremely valid for adminbus as it is now.

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Postby Qbmax32 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:16 pm #503528

Lynching for WGW is an OOC solution to an IC problem. Like, WGW readers become valid to the the AI/Borgs even if they’re Asimov. Allowing comms agents to abuse this OOC solution by marking people for death is stupid and shouldn’t be allowed
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Postby ThanatosRa » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:23 am #503625

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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby NoxVS » Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:58 am #503627

Getting an admin to kill them is their goal. Its a stupid copypasta said only to get a reaction. An admin killing or gibbing or brain damaging them or whatever is exactly what they want
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Re: Reading smut/wgw/spamming comms as a comms agent

Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:16 am #503754

I just right click -> delete anyone who reads wgw because its the most anticlimactic reaction they could possibly get
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