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Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby wesoda25 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:55 am #506512

Its actually fucking cancer does anyone even like it. We have stress release in the form of revs and nuke ops.

If not remove only give weapons/magic to survivalists.
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby Denton » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:02 am #506516

This thread would also be good in policy discussion because events/guns/magic is a config setting.
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby PKPenguin321 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:38 am #506518

Denton wrote:This thread would also be good in policy discussion because events/guns/magic is a config setting.

Gonna go ahead and move it
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby cacogen » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:17 am #506525

I like summon magic a lot, it's very fun and the sort of interesting/imaginative/exciting content I'd like to see more of in the game. Summon Guns is just an excuse for the crew to shoot each other with OP weapons though.

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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby NoxVS » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:22 am #506529

cacogen wrote:Summon Guns is just an excuse for the crew to shoot each other with OP weapons though.

And Summon Magic isnt the same?
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby cacogen » Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:17 am #506533

NoxVS wrote:
cacogen wrote:Summon Guns is just an excuse for the crew to shoot each other with OP weapons though.

And Summon Magic isnt the same?

A lot (most?) of the items spawned aren't weapons, and there are also staves of healing

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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby Tlaltecuhtli » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:07 am #506542

the real evil is summon events

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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby CPTANT » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:10 am #506543

Please don't, wacky magical effects are 1000 times better than a murderboning magic missile + ei nath wizard.
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby ATHATH » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:54 am #506547

CPTANT wrote:Please don't wacky magical effects are 1000 times better than a murderboning magic missile + ei nath wizard.

This.

I and many other people love Summon Magic/Summon Guns/Summon Events. Among other things, they're an option that lets a wizard who doesn't want to antagonize the station/isn't confident in their ability to antagonize the station to add extra antagonists to the round who can pick up the slack. In other words, they're great for peaceful wizards, since they can frame it as them giving the crew free stuff and also divert the attention of validhunters/people who are itching for a fight to the amateur magicians/survivalists/whatever. Also, cool magic items and fancy guns are fun to use/fight against, and giving them to just the antagonists spawned by the event greatly lowers the chances that some of the really cool ones will be spawned.

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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby Shaps-cloud » Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:13 pm #506574

I miss Summon Guns x5
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby confused rock » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:26 pm #506583

Summon memes are the same every time, and don't even think about trying to enjoy it- at any time, you might be randomly mindswapped into a literal who and lose fucking everything. why even try?
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby Naloac » Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:31 pm #506597

The real gamer way to hijack the shuttle is to spam summon events and just wait, most people will kill themselves out of how fucking shit it is. Although in all seriousness I personally hate all the summon stuff for a wizard and with dynamic being a thing, it locks the round into being a boring shit show that everyone has to deal with even when the wizard is dead. The events arent even unique enough to be fun in my honest opinion. Its a trap for newer players to press because they have a few extra points and *think* that it will be fun when its the complete opposite.
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby Malkraz » Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:09 pm #506605

Remove wizard
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby Not-Dorsidarf » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:23 pm #506615

summon events is the worst thing about wizard
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby Cobby » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:52 pm #506616

It's not even a good mechanic from a code perspective, I hope they remove it so I can promote it's removal from a code POV
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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby Screemonster » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:48 pm #506792

Naloac wrote:Although in all seriousness I personally hate all the summon stuff for a wizard and with dynamic being a thing, it locks the round into being a boring shit show that everyone has to deal with even when the wizard is dead.

having a different pool of stuff for "wizard as complete solo mode" and "wizard as part of dynamic mode that may share the round with other antags" would be neat but that'd be a code thing

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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby skoglol » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:21 am #506835

Throw it out, and take events too. There are some wizard plays with improved casting that I'd probably miss, but the rest is trash and not worth keeping around. Well, the visible ghosts event, but thats also a non-event thing.

Like noone notices they are summon antags anyway, so they dont serve much purpose.

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Re: Remove Summon Guns/Magic

Postby NecromancerAnne » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:37 am #506883

Summon events x5 while you hide in a locker is just literally admitting you are a cowardly shit that probably thinks they're super slick and funny when really I'm just debating whether to BSA you to get your shit round over and done with. God fobid someone does this is dynamic and ruins the entire round for literally everyone in it. Events need to die.

I actually feel like Subject's reduction in the amount of summoned antags has hurt Summon Guns/Magic as a viable option for a wizard to take. There is no gamble anymore than the crew will tear itself apart. Most of the time, the survivalists/magicians sit on their hands and do nothing. It's completely tragic and a waste of spell points.


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