/tg/Station 13

Nervere wrote:I set Terry to 24/7 dynamic. It was meant to be for a short time, as a testing period. Terry admins kept requesting it.
The fact that it is still running dynamic is very odd. It should've been taken off by now.

oranges wrote: it is absolutely vital that all the servers are travelling in the same direction.

Diversions lead to admin / playerbase /coderbase tension, as you are now seeing in effect.

a temporary controversy over config changes is much easier handled than leaving the issue to fester.

The Respected Man wrote:no

Istoprocent1 wrote:Shadowflame909, I don't wanna be the one to say this but you seem to be proposing a ton of bad ideas on the forums. Maybe try playing on yog for awhile and see how do you like that, because all the changes you are pushing for are similar "no dynamic, antags cannot do anything, sec cannot do anything, only admins can resolve IC conflicts, rounds last more than 60 minutes etc".

Dynamic is inherently the best gamemode there is, since once antags are figured out there can be other threats rather than knowing that the only danger out there is "cult" or "revs" etc.

oranges wrote:the longer you leave the servers in disaparate configurations the harder it becomes toa dmin them.

oranges wrote:the longer you leave the servers in disaparate configurations the harder it becomes toa dmin them.

Shadowflame909 wrote:Put all the servers on dynamic.

Naloac wrote:

oranges wrote:the longer you leave the servers in disaparate configurations the harder it becomes toa dmin them.

Again I really dont think this is a problem. When dynamic is just better than secret for removing alot of the *O an emagged door guess we cant have any Cultists!* I also disagree with the hard to admin them comment because I swap between bagil and terry and find Next to no difference in adminning. When dynamic is just secret but BETTER its just the same way to admin. Only this time you have to include sometimes okay maybe this guy was worried about X.

skoglol wrote:When did you play grazyn? Changes were made to fix stacking bugs, as well as reduce the frequency of round enders a month or so ago.

skoglol wrote:As for players who actually play terry's wishes on perma dynamic,there was a vote not too long ago. High is better.
https://sb.atlantaned.space/polls/216

Shadowflame909 wrote:

Naloac wrote:

oranges wrote:the longer you leave the servers in disaparate configurations the harder it becomes toa dmin them.

Again I really dont think this is a problem. When dynamic is just better than secret for removing alot of the *O an emagged door guess we cant have any Cultists!* I also disagree with the hard to admin them comment because I swap between bagil and terry and find Next to no difference in adminning. When dynamic is just secret but BETTER its just the same way to admin. Only this time you have to include sometimes okay maybe this guy was worried about X.

Then would you agree to all the servers being Dynamic because its a better game mode?

Grazyn wrote:How does antag priority works for traitors? Can you join the cult to get closer to your assassination target who is a cultist or are you forced to obey the "no team-killing" rule? Can you kill him but you have to help the cult? Or can you ignore your cultist allegiance altogether?

skoglol wrote:I personally believe we can fulfill all the server preferences with dynamic if we take the time to tweak it. Want calmer rounds on sybil and more chaos on bagil? There are per server configs for that, and you are able to adjust pretty much anything about both the game mode and the impact of the individual rulesets. Anything that is not possible to adjust in configs today (barring very specific game mode stuff) is trivial to add.

Grazyn wrote:

skoglol wrote:When did you play grazyn? Changes were made to fix stacking bugs, as well as reduce the frequency of round enders a month or so ago.

Yeah it was a couple months ago. Good to know it was fixed, it made rounds very predictable (cult or rev, and if nothing happens in the first 20 minutes it's nukes)

wesoda25 wrote:

skoglol wrote:I personally believe we can fulfill all the server preferences with dynamic if we take the time to tweak it. Want calmer rounds on sybil and more chaos on bagil? There are per server configs for that, and you are able to adjust pretty much anything about both the game mode and the impact of the individual rulesets. Anything that is not possible to adjust in configs today (barring very specific game mode stuff) is trivial to add.

I believe purposefully gearing different servers for different play types is the exact reason 24/7 dynamic is disproved of. Giving everyone the same version of dynamic is ideal I think.

Grazyn wrote:I'd just add dynamic to secret on all servers and put Terry on regular rotation as well. Having it in secret spices things up while still keeping traditional single antag-type modes.

Taylork2 wrote:

Grazyn wrote:I'd just add dynamic to secret on all servers and put Terry on regular rotation as well. Having it in secret spices things up while still keeping traditional single antag-type modes.

Personally I disagree, since you can occasionally on high pop get team lings/traitors and nuke ops, but the Tots/lings decide to help the Crew against the Cult/Nuke Ops invading the station. It really spices up the Monotony of x group=valid when the Lings or ToTs are helping you out, but it's uncommon since Terrymins and Coderbus has Dynamic on such a short leash. Outside of Highpop (50+) players you pretty much only get regular rounds and even in highpop it's uncommon you'll get something like that, far more likely you'll get Lings + Blood bros + 1/2 tots.

Shadowflame909 wrote:Code-Base Player-Base separation was enough.

We don't need Server-Base Code-Base Player-Base separation to drive things even more up the wall.

Unless more conflict is desired, either all the servers need to convert to Dynamic. Or Dynamic needs to be removed from terry, since it's already an option in secret.

Let us leave the drama in 2016. We dont need a cat-girls boogaloo. This time it'll be the headmins of the future making constant polls to leave terry on dynamic or not.

oranges wrote:it is not sufficiently smart enough to be any better than the RNG gamemode roll at the start of the round.

I don't believe it adds any value at all.

Grazyn wrote:I'd just add dynamic to secret on all servers and put Terry on regular rotation as well. Having it in secret spices things up while still keeping traditional single antag-type modes.

Takov wrote: The people who actually play by and large disagree with you, as do I. Not that you even play on Terry, so what the fuck do you care?

Shadowflame909 wrote:

Takov wrote: The people who actually play by and large disagree with you, as do I. Not that you even play on Terry, so what the fuck do you care?

All or Nothing. We don't need two versions of the same antag. Except one can be converted by a cult and harpen upon a wizard's spellbook. While the other is there to rock the show entirely on his own.

Takov wrote:

Shadowflame909 wrote:

Takov wrote: The people who actually play by and large disagree with you, as do I. Not that you even play on Terry, so what the fuck do you care?

All or Nothing. We don't need two versions of the same antag. Except one can be converted by a cult and harpen upon a wizard's spellbook. While the other is there to rock the show entirely on his own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemm
If you mean shit like a different antag getting converted that's rare enough that's it isn't a concern even on Dynamic, which you'd know if you actually played. It's almost always just funny actually.
And what the fuck are you even talking about? It "isn't two versions of the same antag" (whatever that possibly means) and an actual Wizard's Spellbook is bound to the person that uses it. Nobody else can use it. How do you not know this?
(Specifically it's bound it to their "mind" in code terms iirc)

Shadowflame909 wrote:

Takov wrote:

Shadowflame909 wrote:

Takov wrote: The people who actually play by and large disagree with you, as do I. Not that you even play on Terry, so what the fuck do you care?

All or Nothing. We don't need two versions of the same antag. Except one can be converted by a cult and harpen upon a wizard's spellbook. While the other is there to rock the show entirely on his own.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemm
If you mean shit like a different antag getting converted that's rare enough that's it isn't a concern even on Dynamic, which you'd know if you actually played. It's almost always just funny actually.
And what the fuck are you even talking about? It "isn't two versions of the same antag" (whatever that possibly means) and an actual Wizard's Spellbook is bound to the person that uses it. Nobody else can use it. How do you not know this?
(Specifically it's bound it to their "mind" in code terms iirc)

Yeah okay, but it's not like a wizard has never been killed and looted.

Dynamic Antag and Normal Antag are two different types of beast. Advocating for the removal of dynamic as a default is just one option. All the servers can convert.

But somethings gotta give, because we don't need as I've said Two Main-Style of the same antag. Coders going on terry, seeing the faults in dynamic and retuning the antags to be weaker entirely. Which then makes them no longer hold up in their own mode, On the secret playstyle all the other servers default on.

That's what I mean by two types of antags.

Shadowflame909 wrote:What happens to the items dead wizards hold???

You can disagree Takov. But Dynamic Antags and Normal Antags play under two very different sets of gameplay. One where they're the villain to the stations normality, and the other where they're treated as a replaceable minion.

Shadowflame909 wrote:What happens to the items dead wizards hold???

You can disagree Takov. But Dynamic Antags and Normal Antags play under two very different sets of gameplay. One where they're the villain to the stations normality, and the other where they're treated as a replaceable minion.

Farquaar wrote:It doesn’t matter that they don’t play on Terry, Takov, because it affects the direction of the entire codebase. Unless of course you want every Terry player to give a disclaimer that their opinions should be disregarded every time they give feedback on game/antag balance.